<!--QuoteBegin-Transmission+Mar 28 2004, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Transmission @ Mar 28 2004, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Mar 28 2004, 10:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Mar 28 2004, 10:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> actually trans i like to go robo robo farm robo farm robo farm farm robo:\ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's less efficient. The most efficient startup is robo farm robo farm robo farm robo farm. Brought to you by math. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> it's only less efficient if you don't factor in racial bonuses, social growth bonus, and the time you colonize in relation to update. i actually start pumping cybernets and labs once i get to 4 or 5 robos (usually that means immediately, since i generally send quite a few colony ships to colonize, even on my second planet), since that is really the main output i look for in new colonies (the pp contribution to the empire can wait).
*edit* wait, you don't have many bonuses anyway. that's probably why it's better for you.
<!--QuoteBegin-dirtygabbsnevada+Mar 28 2004, 07:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 28 2004, 07:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ashaman Joe+Mar 28 2004, 08:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 28 2004, 08:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Should I get a trade agreement or an artifact? Right now, I'm PL 10, with allies around me ~Lvl 12. The argreement looks expensive, but is essentially a half-effectiveness Heart of Rana for half cost.
Thoughts? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> artifacts are good if they do only or and maybe 2 things, heart of rana sucks im getting the one that does to pop growth cuz i took a 30% hit to it with my race <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That tells me what type of artifact to use, but not if I should go Trade Agreement or Atrifact. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ashaman Joe+Mar 28 2004, 10:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 28 2004, 10:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-dirtygabbsnevada+Mar 28 2004, 07:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 28 2004, 07:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ashaman Joe+Mar 28 2004, 08:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 28 2004, 08:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Should I get a trade agreement or an artifact? Right now, I'm PL 10, with allies around me ~Lvl 12. The argreement looks expensive, but is essentially a half-effectiveness Heart of Rana for half cost.
Thoughts? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> artifacts are good if they do only or and maybe 2 things, heart of rana sucks im getting the one that does to pop growth cuz i took a 30% hit to it with my race <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That tells me what type of artifact to use, but not if I should go Trade Agreement or Atrifact. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> if you can afford the TA, TA first. if you can't, artifact first.
<!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Mar 28 2004, 07:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Mar 28 2004, 07:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ashaman Joe+Mar 28 2004, 10:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 28 2004, 10:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-dirtygabbsnevada+Mar 28 2004, 07:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 28 2004, 07:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ashaman Joe+Mar 28 2004, 08:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 28 2004, 08:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Should I get a trade agreement or an artifact? Right now, I'm PL 10, with allies around me ~Lvl 12. The argreement looks expensive, but is essentially a half-effectiveness Heart of Rana for half cost.
Thoughts? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> artifacts are good if they do only or and maybe 2 things, heart of rana sucks im getting the one that does to pop growth cuz i took a 30% hit to it with my race <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That tells me what type of artifact to use, but not if I should go Trade Agreement or Atrifact. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> if you can afford the TA, TA first. if you can't, artifact first. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I can afford the TA.
I'll either take one with a system ally or one of you guys.
(Anyone here looking for a TA with a lvl 10 player?)
<!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Mar 28 2004, 11:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Mar 28 2004, 11:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Transmission+Mar 28 2004, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Transmission @ Mar 28 2004, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Mar 28 2004, 10:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Mar 28 2004, 10:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> actually trans i like to go robo robo farm robo farm robo farm farm robo:\ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's less efficient. The most efficient startup is robo farm robo farm robo farm robo farm. Brought to you by math. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> it's only less efficient if you don't factor in racial bonuses, social growth bonus, and the time you colonize in relation to update. i actually start pumping cybernets and labs once i get to 4 or 5 robos (usually that means immediately, since i generally send quite a few colony ships to colonize, even on my second planet), since that is really the main output i look for in new colonies (the pp contribution to the empire can wait).
*edit* wait, you don't have many bonuses anyway. that's probably why it's better for you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You must understand that this is only for your first planet (as was in Surge's case, which is what we're talking about), so no social bonus, no colony ships, nothing like that. Regardless of race, this is still the most efficient (unless you have +60% growth and -36% production or something else that's stupid). Also, this is only until you have each at lvl 4, then the pattern changes, but you should be investing in other things anyway.
<!--QuoteBegin-dirtygabbsnevada+Mar 28 2004, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 28 2004, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> celestial prisim is the artifact im getting, at 5k its a steal (lvl 2) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I would have thought a Crystal Rod or Basalt Monolith would be better than a Celestial Prisim.
Learn something new everyday. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ashaman Joe+Mar 28 2004, 11:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 28 2004, 11:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-dirtygabbsnevada+Mar 28 2004, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 28 2004, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> celestial prisim is the artifact im getting, at 5k its a steal (lvl 2) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I would have thought a Crystal Rod or Basalt Monolith would be better than a Celestial Prisim.
Learn something new everyday. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> to expensive, for a level two i could get 2 trade agreements
<!--QuoteBegin-dirtygabbsnevada+Mar 28 2004, 08:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 28 2004, 08:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ashaman Joe+Mar 28 2004, 11:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 28 2004, 11:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-dirtygabbsnevada+Mar 28 2004, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 28 2004, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> celestial prisim is the artifact im getting, at 5k its a steal (lvl 2) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I would have thought a Crystal Rod or Basalt Monolith would be better than a Celestial Prisim.
Learn something new everyday. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> to expensive, for a level two i could get 2 trade agreements <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah. Should of thought about the price.
Edit: I feel like an idiot for asking, but what's the Astrowars Lottery I keep hearing about on their forums?
<!--QuoteBegin-Ashaman Joe+Mar 28 2004, 11:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 28 2004, 11:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ah. Should of thought about the price.
Edit: I feel like an idiot for asking, but what's the Astrowars Lottery I keep hearing about on their forums? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> WHATCHA TALKIN ABOUT WILLIS
/EDIT I JUST REALIZED IM MAKING 7332 PP A DAY, THATS A WHOLE LOTTA BS N STUFF THAN WHEN COMBAT SIGNS TA ILL BE MAKIN 7726 AND THATS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PLANET I JUST COLONIZED THAT HAS LEVEL 1 AND (11%) POP WHICH WILL GO UP FAIRLY QUICKLY, IN OTHER WORDS, ILL BE MAKIN 8000 PP A DAY IN A SHORT TIME!!!, BUT WHAT SHOULD I SPEND IT ON? SU'S? (PRICE JUST JUMPED FROM 681 TO 1,158) TA'S? (I HAVE 2) ARTIFACTS? (I NEED ONE THAT GIVES SHOT TO GROWTH, IM MINUS 24% NOW) OR SHOULD I REBUILD MY FLEET (600 DESTROYERS SPREAD THIN, BUT HAVE 7 GOOD ALLIES AROUND ME) OR SHOULD I BUILD UP MY PLANETS
<!--QuoteBegin-dirtygabbsnevada+Mar 28 2004, 11:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada @ Mar 28 2004, 11:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ashaman Joe+Mar 28 2004, 11:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ashaman Joe @ Mar 28 2004, 11:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ah. Should of thought about the price.
Edit: I feel like an idiot for asking, but what's the Astrowars Lottery I keep hearing about on their forums? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> WHATCHA TALKIN ABOUT WILLIS
/EDIT I JUST REALIZED IM MAKING 7332 PP A DAY, THATS A WHOLE LOTTA BS N STUFF THAN WHEN COMBAT SIGNS TA ILL BE MAKIN 7726 AND THATS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PLANET I JUST COLONIZED THAT HAS LEVEL 1 AND (11%) POP WHICH WILL GO UP FAIRLY QUICKLY, IN OTHER WORDS, ILL BE MAKIN 8000 PP A DAY IN A SHORT TIME!!!, BUT WHAT SHOULD I SPEND IT ON? SU'S? (PRICE JUST JUMPED FROM 681 TO 1,158) TA'S? (I HAVE 2) ARTIFACTS? (I NEED ONE THAT GIVES SHOT TO GROWTH, IM MINUS 24% NOW) OR SHOULD I REBUILD MY FLEET (600 DESTROYERS SPREAD THIN, BUT HAVE 7 GOOD ALLIES AROUND ME) OR SHOULD I BUILD UP MY PLANETS <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ITS REALLY ANNOYING AND HARD TO READ WHEN PEOPLE WRITE WITH CAPS ONLY.
Whats the TSA diplomatic standing with NEMO? I've got one of their guys on my radar, who is making a coordinated attack on the fringe of my bio view.
I've made a contact mail to him and just waiting on his response.
I'm looking for a TA as of now.. maybe this NEMO guy would make a shrewd dimpolatic partner <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> No one else is the same player level as me in the Philippino bunch (omen - alliance).
Hmm...is Marine01 playing this round, and if so, is he using "Avenell"? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Marine01 went back to university and has had to cut his cable/net access til he qualifies for government pay in May. He decided to sit this beta out, something about getting too complicated.
First of all the best artifact to get is Basalt Monolith. It gives the best value for money. Unless an artifact gives you a culture bonus, it is not worth it.
My allies are under attack by the following people
TheTroll - ConsortiumGalactique olidhu - AD empire solaire lexolia - AD empire solaire MadX - Empire Solaire
I tried to get a NAP with them a while back but they said they had too many allies. I'm not sure what to do. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The person with these stats has a multi status of yellow, and is afk for usually 1 to 2 days before logging back in. This person is also one of my allies (who is not under attack). I'm wondering if I should just take his planets because he's not being very helpful. He cant even keep up with <i>me</i> in terms of fleet production. After looking around my area, thats not good.
<!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Mar 29 2004, 10:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Mar 29 2004, 10:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> man. I'm not getting enough culture; level 12 will take me a little over 4 days :| (well, probably 3 days since i am getting a new planet today). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> im getting level 13 in two days, my problem is my population is crawling up slow as hell
/edit astro down again <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cabal+Mar 29 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cabal @ Mar 29 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Look at these stats: <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1--> * Start Up Lab * +60% growth. * -48% science. * +32% culture. * -32% production. * +60% speed. * -14% attack. * -52% defense. <!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Btw , I've been talking with MadX , and he said that he only wants 2 of your 4 allies , and won't attack you.
Theses stats sound like a melody to my ears. -3 science -4 def , the Victim Race. Just focus your research on maths , then attack him with small waves of destroyers once you have 6-7 levels over his. You should be able to take his main planet with about 25 destroyers <i>regardless</i> of his starbase level and fleet size.
All the more reason to attack him if he's your ally. PM him like "hey , how about we exchange destroyers to raise our player levels ? I think they're too low for a trade agreement" , then send the waves of destroyers as asked. Toss in a small part of your fleet with transports after that , and tell him "oops , wrong system , sorry for that" : he's going to think he will just receive more exp... when in fact his planet will be conquered.
<!--QuoteBegin-Stakhanov+Mar 29 2004, 12:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stakhanov @ Mar 29 2004, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cabal+Mar 29 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cabal @ Mar 29 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Look at these stats: <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1--> * Start Up Lab * +60% growth. * -48% science. * +32% culture. * -32% production. * +60% speed. * -14% attack. * -52% defense. <!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Btw , I've been talking with MadX , and he said that he only wants 2 of your 4 allies , and won't attack you.
Theses stats sound like a melody to my ears. -3 science -4 def , the Victim Race. Just focus your research on maths , then attack him with small waves of destroyers once you have 6-7 levels over his. You should be able to take his main planet with about 25 destroyers <i>regardless</i> of his starbase level and fleet size.
All the more reason to attack him if he's your ally. PM him like "hey , how about we exchange destroyers to raise our player levels ? I think they're too low for a trade agreement" , then send the waves of destroyers as asked. Toss in a small part of your fleet with transports after that , and tell him "oops , wrong system , sorry for that" : he's going to think he will just receive more exp... when in fact his planet will be conquered. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> man i like that, if i was devious enuff i would do that to nuke the place, becuase he hasnt answered ONE of my messages for a while, and im gettin worried he might back stab me, but i wont, cuz i trust him just a lil, and i have plenty of other things to pick on
<!--QuoteBegin-Stakhanov+Mar 29 2004, 02:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stakhanov @ Mar 29 2004, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Btw , I've been talking with MadX , and he said that he only wants 2 of your 4 allies , and won't attack you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats a shame. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> It was nice that those 2 actually logged in and responded to my messages unlike my other ally with the strange race stats.
Would anyone like a TA with me? I've got the A$ now and would like to make my trade offer ASAP. I'm player level 11 - 95%
please let me know in this thread (plus your player name / level), and i will send the offer out straight away. Being UK - it will probably be when your sleep <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Hi Pirate - Rich has been telling me about your alliance <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I hope to get a TA before then but definately will take you up on the offer if I am still waiting.
<!--QuoteBegin-Stakhanov+Mar 29 2004, 02:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stakhanov @ Mar 29 2004, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Btw , I've been talking with MadX , and he said that he only wants 2 of your 4 allies , and won't attack you.
Theses stats sound like a melody to my ears. -3 science -4 def , the Victim Race. Just focus your research on maths , then attack him with small waves of destroyers once you have 6-7 levels over his. You should be able to take his main planet with about 25 destroyers <i>regardless</i> of his starbase level and fleet size.
All the more reason to attack him if he's your ally. PM him like "hey , how about we exchange destroyers to raise our player levels ? I think they're too low for a trade agreement" , then send the waves of destroyers as asked. Toss in a small part of your fleet with transports after that , and tell him "oops , wrong system , sorry for that" : he's going to think he will just receive more exp... when in fact his planet will be conquered. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is so devious and low..... I love it! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I am getting culture level 17 in 33 hours, if you culture is not going up fast enough, you need to first maximize getting SU's everyday, they add up over time.
then maximize your bonus for culture. Get BM's or CRs, anything else you are selling yourself short.
<!--QuoteBegin-slashburn+Mar 29 2004, 01:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (slashburn @ Mar 29 2004, 01:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Would anyone like a TA with me? I've got the A$ now and would like to make my trade offer ASAP. I'm player level 11 - 95%
please let me know in this thread (plus your player name / level), and i will send the offer out straight away. Being UK - it will probably be when your sleep <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thanks
slashburn <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm looking for a TA. I'm lvl 10 right now, and none of my system allies have responded to my offer. (I'm NsAshamanJoe).
<!--QuoteBegin-es_quatro+Mar 29 2004, 06:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (es_quatro @ Mar 29 2004, 06:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Stakhanov+Mar 29 2004, 02:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stakhanov @ Mar 29 2004, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Btw , I've been talking with MadX , and he said that he only wants 2 of your 4 allies , and won't attack you.
Theses stats sound like a melody to my ears. -3 science -4 def , the Victim Race. Just focus your research on maths , then attack him with small waves of destroyers once you have 6-7 levels over his. You should be able to take his main planet with about 25 destroyers <i>regardless</i> of his starbase level and fleet size.
All the more reason to attack him if he's your ally. PM him like "hey , how about we exchange destroyers to raise our player levels ? I think they're too low for a trade agreement" , then send the waves of destroyers as asked. Toss in a small part of your fleet with transports after that , and tell him "oops , wrong system , sorry for that" : he's going to think he will just receive more exp... when in fact his planet will be conquered. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is so devious and low..... I love it! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I am getting culture level 17 in 33 hours, if you culture is not going up fast enough, you need to first maximize getting SU's everyday, they add up over time.
then maximize your bonus for culture. Get BM's or CRs, anything else you are selling yourself short.
Regards <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i'm just concerned that in the end, if i keep stacking up cybernets (which i've been sort of doing so far, balanced between saving for expansion and TA), i'll end up with one or two more planets than i have otherwise, and be out a whole lot of A$. I think I'll keep pyling up the cybernets for another week, and then stop.
*edit* did i mention that i have a culture penalty, so an SU does less for me?
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That's less efficient. The most efficient startup is robo farm robo farm robo farm robo farm. Brought to you by math. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
it's only less efficient if you don't factor in racial bonuses, social growth bonus, and the time you colonize in relation to update. i actually start pumping cybernets and labs once i get to 4 or 5 robos (usually that means immediately, since i generally send quite a few colony ships to colonize, even on my second planet), since that is really the main output i look for in new colonies (the pp contribution to the empire can wait).
*edit* wait, you don't have many bonuses anyway. that's probably why it's better for you.
Thoughts? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
artifacts are good if they do only or and maybe 2 things, heart of rana sucks
im getting the one that does to pop growth cuz i took a 30% hit to it with my race <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That tells me what type of artifact to use, but not if I should go Trade Agreement or Atrifact. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thoughts? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
artifacts are good if they do only or and maybe 2 things, heart of rana sucks
im getting the one that does to pop growth cuz i took a 30% hit to it with my race <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That tells me what type of artifact to use, but not if I should go Trade Agreement or Atrifact. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
if you can afford the TA, TA first. if you can't, artifact first.
Thoughts? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
artifacts are good if they do only or and maybe 2 things, heart of rana sucks
im getting the one that does to pop growth cuz i took a 30% hit to it with my race <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That tells me what type of artifact to use, but not if I should go Trade Agreement or Atrifact. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
if you can afford the TA, TA first. if you can't, artifact first. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can afford the TA.
I'll either take one with a system ally or one of you guys.
(Anyone here looking for a TA with a lvl 10 player?)
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That's less efficient. The most efficient startup is robo farm robo farm robo farm robo farm. Brought to you by math. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
it's only less efficient if you don't factor in racial bonuses, social growth bonus, and the time you colonize in relation to update. i actually start pumping cybernets and labs once i get to 4 or 5 robos (usually that means immediately, since i generally send quite a few colony ships to colonize, even on my second planet), since that is really the main output i look for in new colonies (the pp contribution to the empire can wait).
*edit* wait, you don't have many bonuses anyway. that's probably why it's better for you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You must understand that this is only for your first planet (as was in Surge's case, which is what we're talking about), so no social bonus, no colony ships, nothing like that. Regardless of race, this is still the most efficient (unless you have +60% growth and -36% production or something else that's stupid). Also, this is only until you have each at lvl 4, then the pattern changes, but you should be investing in other things anyway.
My way is best at the start.
I would have thought a Crystal Rod or Basalt Monolith would be better than a Celestial Prisim.
Learn something new everyday. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I would have thought a Crystal Rod or Basalt Monolith would be better than a Celestial Prisim.
Learn something new everyday. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
to expensive, for a level two i could get 2 trade agreements
I would have thought a Crystal Rod or Basalt Monolith would be better than a Celestial Prisim.
Learn something new everyday. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
to expensive, for a level two i could get 2 trade agreements <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah. Should of thought about the price.
Edit: I feel like an idiot for asking, but what's the Astrowars Lottery I keep hearing about on their forums?
Ah. Should of thought about the price.
Edit: I feel like an idiot for asking, but what's the Astrowars Lottery I keep hearing about on their forums? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
WHATCHA TALKIN ABOUT WILLIS
/EDIT
I JUST REALIZED IM MAKING
7332 PP A DAY, THATS A WHOLE LOTTA BS N STUFF
THAN WHEN COMBAT SIGNS TA ILL BE MAKIN 7726
AND THATS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PLANET I JUST COLONIZED THAT HAS LEVEL 1 AND (11%) POP WHICH WILL GO UP FAIRLY QUICKLY, IN OTHER WORDS, ILL BE MAKIN 8000 PP A DAY IN A SHORT TIME!!!, BUT WHAT SHOULD I SPEND IT ON? SU'S? (PRICE JUST JUMPED FROM 681 TO 1,158) TA'S? (I HAVE 2) ARTIFACTS? (I NEED ONE THAT GIVES SHOT TO GROWTH, IM MINUS 24% NOW) OR SHOULD I REBUILD MY FLEET (600 DESTROYERS SPREAD THIN, BUT HAVE 7 GOOD ALLIES AROUND ME) OR SHOULD I BUILD UP MY PLANETS
/EDIT MAN MY POP SUCKS, DONT BUILD A RACE WITH -2 TO POP GROWTH(SOON TO BE FIXED THOUGH)
Ah. Should of thought about the price.
Edit: I feel like an idiot for asking, but what's the Astrowars Lottery I keep hearing about on their forums? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
WHATCHA TALKIN ABOUT WILLIS
/EDIT
I JUST REALIZED IM MAKING
7332 PP A DAY, THATS A WHOLE LOTTA BS N STUFF
THAN WHEN COMBAT SIGNS TA ILL BE MAKIN 7726
AND THATS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PLANET I JUST COLONIZED THAT HAS LEVEL 1 AND (11%) POP WHICH WILL GO UP FAIRLY QUICKLY, IN OTHER WORDS, ILL BE MAKIN 8000 PP A DAY IN A SHORT TIME!!!, BUT WHAT SHOULD I SPEND IT ON? SU'S? (PRICE JUST JUMPED FROM 681 TO 1,158) TA'S? (I HAVE 2) ARTIFACTS? (I NEED ONE THAT GIVES SHOT TO GROWTH, IM MINUS 24% NOW) OR SHOULD I REBUILD MY FLEET (600 DESTROYERS SPREAD THIN, BUT HAVE 7 GOOD ALLIES AROUND ME) OR SHOULD I BUILD UP MY PLANETS <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ITS REALLY ANNOYING AND HARD TO READ WHEN PEOPLE WRITE WITH CAPS ONLY.
I've made a contact mail to him and just waiting on his response.
I'm looking for a TA as of now.. maybe this NEMO guy would make a shrewd dimpolatic partner <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> No one else is the same player level as me in the Philippino bunch (omen - alliance).
slashburn
First of all the best artifact to get is Basalt Monolith. It gives the best value for money. Unless an artifact gives you a culture bonus, it is not worth it.
Regards
Come on guys, if you couldnt get into TSA, you can STILL get into NSA.
Simply PM me with your details.
Player Name
Player Level
Score
Thats it!
Now please, dont make me think I've tossed 8K AD's down the drain...
TheTroll - ConsortiumGalactique
olidhu - AD empire solaire
lexolia - AD empire solaire
MadX - Empire Solaire
I tried to get a NAP with them a while back but they said they had too many allies. I'm not sure what to do. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Score
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PL: 12
Score: 164
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*edit* Look at these stats:
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* Start Up Lab
* +60% growth.
* -48% science.
* +32% culture.
* -32% production.
* +60% speed.
* -14% attack.
* -52% defense.
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The person with these stats has a multi status of yellow, and is afk for usually 1 to 2 days before logging back in. This person is also one of my allies (who is not under attack). I'm wondering if I should just take his planets because he's not being very helpful. He cant even keep up with <i>me</i> in terms of fleet production. After looking around my area, thats not good.
im getting level 13 in two days, my problem is my population is crawling up slow as hell
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astro down again <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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* Start Up Lab
* +60% growth.
* -48% science.
* +32% culture.
* -32% production.
* +60% speed.
* -14% attack.
* -52% defense.
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Btw , I've been talking with MadX , and he said that he only wants 2 of your 4 allies , and won't attack you.
Theses stats sound like a melody to my ears. -3 science -4 def , the Victim Race.
Just focus your research on maths , then attack him with small waves of destroyers once you have 6-7 levels over his. You should be able to take his main planet with about 25 destroyers <i>regardless</i> of his starbase level and fleet size.
All the more reason to attack him if he's your ally. PM him like "hey , how about we exchange destroyers to raise our player levels ? I think they're too low for a trade agreement" , then send the waves of destroyers as asked. Toss in a small part of your fleet with transports after that , and tell him "oops , wrong system , sorry for that" : he's going to think he will just receive more exp... when in fact his planet will be conquered.
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* Start Up Lab
* +60% growth.
* -48% science.
* +32% culture.
* -32% production.
* +60% speed.
* -14% attack.
* -52% defense.
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Btw , I've been talking with MadX , and he said that he only wants 2 of your 4 allies , and won't attack you.
Theses stats sound like a melody to my ears. -3 science -4 def , the Victim Race.
Just focus your research on maths , then attack him with small waves of destroyers once you have 6-7 levels over his. You should be able to take his main planet with about 25 destroyers <i>regardless</i> of his starbase level and fleet size.
All the more reason to attack him if he's your ally. PM him like "hey , how about we exchange destroyers to raise our player levels ? I think they're too low for a trade agreement" , then send the waves of destroyers as asked. Toss in a small part of your fleet with transports after that , and tell him "oops , wrong system , sorry for that" : he's going to think he will just receive more exp... when in fact his planet will be conquered. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
man i like that, if i was devious enuff i would do that to nuke the place, becuase he hasnt answered ONE of my messages for a while, and im gettin worried he might back stab me, but i wont, cuz i trust him just a lil, and i have plenty of other things to pick on
Thats a shame. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> It was nice that those 2 actually logged in and responded to my messages unlike my other ally with the strange race stats.
please let me know in this thread (plus your player name / level), and i will send the offer out straight away. Being UK - it will probably be when your sleep <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thanks
slashburn
I hope to get a TA before then but definately will take you up on the offer if I am still waiting.
slash
Btw , I've been talking with MadX , and he said that he only wants 2 of your 4 allies , and won't attack you.
Theses stats sound like a melody to my ears. -3 science -4 def , the Victim Race.
Just focus your research on maths , then attack him with small waves of destroyers once you have 6-7 levels over his. You should be able to take his main planet with about 25 destroyers <i>regardless</i> of his starbase level and fleet size.
All the more reason to attack him if he's your ally. PM him like "hey , how about we exchange destroyers to raise our player levels ? I think they're too low for a trade agreement" , then send the waves of destroyers as asked. Toss in a small part of your fleet with transports after that , and tell him "oops , wrong system , sorry for that" : he's going to think he will just receive more exp... when in fact his planet will be conquered. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is so devious and low.....
I love it! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I am getting culture level 17 in 33 hours, if you culture is not going up fast enough, you need to first maximize getting SU's everyday, they add up over time.
then maximize your bonus for culture. Get BM's or CRs, anything else you are selling yourself short.
Regards
please let me know in this thread (plus your player name / level), and i will send the offer out straight away. Being UK - it will probably be when your sleep <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thanks
slashburn <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm looking for a TA. I'm lvl 10 right now, and none of my system allies have responded to my offer. (I'm NsAshamanJoe).
Btw , I've been talking with MadX , and he said that he only wants 2 of your 4 allies , and won't attack you.
Theses stats sound like a melody to my ears. -3 science -4 def , the Victim Race.
Just focus your research on maths , then attack him with small waves of destroyers once you have 6-7 levels over his. You should be able to take his main planet with about 25 destroyers <i>regardless</i> of his starbase level and fleet size.
All the more reason to attack him if he's your ally. PM him like "hey , how about we exchange destroyers to raise our player levels ? I think they're too low for a trade agreement" , then send the waves of destroyers as asked. Toss in a small part of your fleet with transports after that , and tell him "oops , wrong system , sorry for that" : he's going to think he will just receive more exp... when in fact his planet will be conquered. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is so devious and low.....
I love it! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I am getting culture level 17 in 33 hours, if you culture is not going up fast enough, you need to first maximize getting SU's everyday, they add up over time.
then maximize your bonus for culture. Get BM's or CRs, anything else you are selling yourself short.
Regards <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i'm just concerned that in the end, if i keep stacking up cybernets (which i've been sort of doing so far, balanced between saving for expansion and TA), i'll end up with one or two more planets than i have otherwise, and be out a whole lot of A$. I think I'll keep pyling up the cybernets for another week, and then stop.
*edit* did i mention that i have a culture penalty, so an SU does less for me?