There are bad people in the world. Most people are taught to remain defensive and alert in city environments. You don't dress like a skinhead when you know skinheads are disliked, unless you want yourself to be disliked as well! Bemoaning prejudice is humorous when one purposely outfits himself or herself in clothes befitting a person of a criminal background.
<i>Originally posted by Coil</i> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>When I'm not working, pretty much the only pants I wear these days are raver pants, bondage pants, and similar - brands like tripp, illig, caffeine, macgear, etc.
Frankly, I love the fact that I scare people. I've found a way of expressing myself, and they're all stuck in their self-made imaginary cubicles. Those who are willing to get close enough to get to know me are, for the most part, pleasantly surprised. And I can be fairly sure that they're not the kind of person to judge first and ask questions later, since they didn't judge me.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally, I find this attitude ridiculous. When did it become my responsiblity to find out your true self? If you want to be presentable, be presentable. If you want to scare people, don't be surprised when they're scared. Despite how you claim you dress strangely because it is comfortable, I believe your true motive is simple rebellion. Which is humorous in that you've only set yourself in yet another peg of society, rather than breaking any molds.
Stereotypes exist because more often than not, they have a seed of truth in them! I don't see why caution shouldn't be applied to those we do not know who dress in ways that speak louder than any words or actions.
I'm not blind to prejudice. I myself am quite often a "victim" to it. Because of my clothing and politeness to women, I am often asked if I am a homosexual. When asked, I tell them that I am not - but I don't get angry at them for questioning. I understand that dressing well is usually something homosexual men do. And I also know that until I introduce myself and talk to the person, they won't know otherwise!
Frankly I think it's funny that the media instills fear of ravers into people. Or fear of "punks" into people. And I can't help but chuckle at the fact that the black dude in baggy clothes is 100% likely to kill you in the media's eyes, but when it comes to statistics most serial murderers are white men ages 25-30, look out for lesiure suit larry he wants to carve you up and eat your kidneys.
On a side not most ravers would be more likely to hug you then mug you.
Although unfounded prejudice is "bad", prejudice itself stems from nature.
If, in your experience, things that are spikey tend to hurt you, you will be prejudice against anything with spikes.
If, in your experience, things that are red tend to poison you, you will be prejudice against anything red.
Some prejudices are okay. For example, I wouldn't suggest trying to make friends with the shifty guy with blood-shot eyes hiding in the dark alley, simply because all your prior knowledge points to danger in this situation.
What doesn't make sense is allowing the media to define your prejudice.
What also doesn't make sense, is becoming prejudice towards a certain group without considering your actions and why your "red flags" are popping up. This is best illustrated in racism, which accomplished nothing, and simply doesn't make sense.
<!--QuoteBegin-dr.d+Mar 5 2004, 02:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Mar 5 2004, 02:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And I can't help but chuckle at the fact that the black dude in baggy clothes is 100% likely to kill you in the media's eyes <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh, doesn't this have something to do with the rapper/gangsta movement, and the people who identify with such a culture? Rappers go on about raping women, stealing money, using drugs, and killing people. I don't see how that's exactly positive. How then are people supposed to act when they see other dressing and behaving in the manner rappers do?
Think about how, when you think about it, they're sagging pants and dishevled appearence makes some of them look like they don't know how to dress themselves?
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 5 2004, 03:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 5 2004, 03:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Think about how, when you think about it, they're sagging pants and dishevled appearence makes some of them look like they don't know how to dress themselves? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not when they are purposely identifying with the rap culture that embraces criminal activity. It's certainly not for comfort!
<!--QuoteBegin-killswitch1968+Mar 1 2004, 07:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (killswitch1968 @ Mar 1 2004, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> However things get more shady when it comes to male drivers. They don't get into accidents simply because they're male but because they are.... well I don't know, more aggressive? Too much testosterone? Who knows. But there is a correlation between being male and getting into car accidents. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Which gender drinks more alcohol?
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Mar 5 2004, 03:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Mar 5 2004, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-killswitch1968+Mar 1 2004, 07:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (killswitch1968 @ Mar 1 2004, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> However things get more shady when it comes to male drivers. They don't get into accidents simply because they're male but because they are.... well I don't know, more aggressive? Too much testosterone? Who knows. But there is a correlation between being male and getting into car accidents. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Which gender drinks more alcohol? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I take it by this rhetorical question you are insinuating that male drivers tend to a) drink more leading to b) get into more accidents.
1. I don't think the statistics of males getting into more accidents were DUIs, usually just excessive speeding. 2. Even if males drink more they may not be as impaired simply because they are more tolerant. 3. Even if they drink more and they get impaired easily, they may not drive drunk as often as women. Then again I have no idea, just possiblities. But I don't see how any of this conversation has anything to do with prejudice.
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<i>Originally posted by Coil</i>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>When I'm not working, pretty much the only pants I wear these days are raver pants, bondage pants, and similar - brands like tripp, illig, caffeine, macgear, etc.
Frankly, I love the fact that I scare people. I've found a way of expressing myself, and they're all stuck in their self-made imaginary cubicles. Those who are willing to get close enough to get to know me are, for the most part, pleasantly surprised. And I can be fairly sure that they're not the kind of person to judge first and ask questions later, since they didn't judge me.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally, I find this attitude ridiculous. When did it become my responsiblity to find out your true self? If you want to be presentable, be presentable. If you want to scare people, don't be surprised when they're scared. Despite how you claim you dress strangely because it is comfortable, I believe your true motive is simple rebellion. Which is humorous in that you've only set yourself in yet another peg of society, rather than breaking any molds.
Stereotypes exist because more often than not, they have a seed of truth in them! I don't see why caution shouldn't be applied to those we do not know who dress in ways that speak louder than any words or actions.
I'm not blind to prejudice. I myself am quite often a "victim" to it. Because of my clothing and politeness to women, I am often asked if I am a homosexual. When asked, I tell them that I am not - but I don't get angry at them for questioning. I understand that dressing well is usually something homosexual men do. And I also know that until I introduce myself and talk to the person, they won't know otherwise!
On a side not most ravers would be more likely to hug you then mug you.
If, in your experience, things that are spikey tend to hurt you, you will be prejudice against anything with spikes.
If, in your experience, things that are red tend to poison you, you will be prejudice against anything red.
Some prejudices are okay. For example, I wouldn't suggest trying to make friends with the shifty guy with blood-shot eyes hiding in the dark alley, simply because all your prior knowledge points to danger in this situation.
What doesn't make sense is allowing the media to define your prejudice.
What also doesn't make sense, is becoming prejudice towards a certain group without considering your actions and why your "red flags" are popping up. This is best illustrated in racism, which accomplished nothing, and simply doesn't make sense.
Uh, doesn't this have something to do with the rapper/gangsta movement, and the people who identify with such a culture? Rappers go on about raping women, stealing money, using drugs, and killing people. I don't see how that's exactly positive. How then are people supposed to act when they see other dressing and behaving in the manner rappers do?
Not when they are purposely identifying with the rap culture that embraces criminal activity. It's certainly not for comfort!
But there is a correlation between being male and getting into car accidents. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which gender drinks more alcohol?
But there is a correlation between being male and getting into car accidents. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which gender drinks more alcohol? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I take it by this rhetorical question you are insinuating that male drivers tend to a) drink more leading to b) get into more accidents.
1. I don't think the statistics of males getting into more accidents were DUIs, usually just excessive speeding.
2. Even if males drink more they may not be as impaired simply because they are more tolerant.
3. Even if they drink more and they get impaired easily, they may not drive drunk as often as women.
Then again I have no idea, just possiblities. But I don't see how any of this conversation has anything to do with prejudice.