Lcd Vs Crt

torquetorque Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20035Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">help teh nub!</div> So I may be able to get an LCD screen soon, buuut I've heard a few things and I need some clarification. I'm mainly getting it to save desk space (I've got a teeny desk with lots of crap on it, and my monitor takes up about half of the top), but...

What's this about it not being able to deal with 3d objects? I'm told LCDs aren't very good for gaming because it'll make things look polygonal, or something.

Also, I read that LCDs are bad about displaying resolutions other than their 'native' ones...something about making text look fuzzy and slowing things down?

Help mehhhh~

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  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    Haven't heard anything about the polygonal issues. However, some LCDs have low refresh rates, which ends up blurring fast moving images on the screen.

    Check out <a href='http://www.cnet.com' target='_blank'>http://www.cnet.com</a> for some reviews (monitors are in the Peripherals section).
  • Har_Har_the_PirateHar_Har_the_Pirate Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19388Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Feb 28 2004, 11:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Feb 28 2004, 11:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Haven't heard anything about the polygonal issues. However, some LCDs have low refresh rates, which ends up blurring fast moving images on the screen.

    Check out <a href='http://www.cnet.com' target='_blank'>http://www.cnet.com</a> for some reviews (monitors are in the Peripherals section). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    well said,

    crts are cheaper, get better resolution, take up more space, are usually less, i dont know how to say it grainy, but, they have better color usually (ie more vibrant)
  • LockNLoadedLockNLoaded Join Date: 2002-09-05 Member: 1282Members
    LCDs are definitely <i>sharper</i> due to the way they operate, digitally. Yes they save more space, which is probly the sole reason why you are considering the change. CRT's are bigger (duh) but they are analog so they are much more <i>accurate</i>.

    Signals in LCS are like sharp, 90-degree sine waves. On the other hand, CRTs are your traditional wavy sine waves. CRTs generate more heat as they gamma-ray in the back splashes across your screen, wherelse LCDs are more economical (having 3 light bulbs to generate the images) and thus more energy saving. 1 primary worry about using LCDs for gaming is the effect of <i>"Ghosting"</i>. If possible, ask the sales personal to show u a demo of a movie and a game.

    There are other LCD parameters, namely the contrast ration (500:1? 600:1? etc), the seek times (2x-3x ms lower the better). I suggest if u want to spend on a LCD, do some homework by reading up on product reviews/specs, comparing prices.

    Personally, if i were to get a LCD i'll spend on a really good one based on your circumstances, rather than a half-ased product eh? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    I ended up buying two different LCD's a few months ago, and both were so hobbile with ghosting that games and movies were untolerable, DESPITE THE SALESMAN SAYING THEY WOULDN'T :X
  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    I bought a Viewsonic VG700 (now discontinued I think), not the lightest or thinnest guy as LCD's go, but a damn fine picture, and no ghosting! If you also want, I work in retail which sells monitors, could take a peek at our new models tomorrow and tell ya which of them suck.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    I bought a LCD screen a couple months back, and it blew out in a week. The game's didn't look different, but the refresh rate wasn't to dandy.
  • BeastBeast Armonkyi Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15731Members, Constellation
    I Got a 15" LCD since my 17" CRT broke... I can honestly say that this 15" LCD is better than the 17" CRT when it was working <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    But yeah, Get a good one, not an old one ^^
  • DubersDubers Pet Shop Boy Edinburgh, UK Join Date: 2002-07-25 Member: 998Members
    If you want a decent LCD spend money on it, no point buying a cheap one as it will be crap.
  • XodlikeXodlike Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16985Members
    I bought a LCD a little over a year and a half ago, not the best one as its from Dell, but its still working, the blurriness means you should use DVI instead of VGA <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->.

    Still working as Im typing this response, however the low refresh rate, is a HUGE downside.
  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    LC monitors are getting insanely cheap (yes, the good ones). I have my 15" LCD for more than a year now without a single malfunction or any other problem. Although I have it connected to an analog connector, the picture is brilliant at 1024x768. Of course, lower resolutions tend to blur the picture slightly. But since all the new graphics cards now have a digital output, an LCD will give you a way more satisfying result than a CRT, will take less space and won't produce any dangerous radiation.

    I say go for it, but don't go buying the cheap ones. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I am about to buy a 17 inch LCD monitor. The things to look for when buying an LCD is not refresh rate (because they dont refresh all of the pixels at the same time, they only change a pixel when its needed), but rather the <b>Response time</b>.

    LCD's have finally grown up, and its possible to get one which is good for gaming, if you get one with a decent panel with a low response time (20ms or 16ms). The 16ms panels dont actually run everything at 16ms, they dither some colours, so theyre both meant to be as good as one another. Everyone I know with a decent LCD says that, after a few days, theyre used to them, and dont see any fading or ghosting as a disadvantage.

    Other than that, benefits of a LCD: Low electricity bills, smaller footprint, sharper images (if you have a DVI output on your graphics card and a DVI LCD), better contrast, better brightness, no moire or bending. But they are a little bit more expensive, you have a small chance of getting one with dead pixels, and you need a good graphics card if youre getting a larger one, because they HAVE to run at their specific resolution to give a decent picture. And you dont get your daily dose of radioactive rays. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    edited February 2004
    Personally, i'm still a bit of a CRT fanboy.

    While LCD monitors are <i>getting</i> cheaper, they're still not cheap. For a high quality 17-19" LCD you're looking at prices around £400 still, while for a CRT of the same size, you can only expect to pay half that.

    Ontop of that, i dislike the lack of option for resolution. I'm currently using a 15" CRT in 1280x1024, and that's fine for me, but if i were to pick up a small 15" LCD, i'd only be able to use 1024x768, which would make me cry when it comes to using Photoshop. Maybe in a year or two when the prices for larger, better quality, LCD monitors are down i'll consider one, until then, i'll stick with my trusty CRT.

    Viva la radiatione!
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    edited February 2004
    I researched this a few months ago and bought my LCD monitor, and had a very interesting discussion on the board about it <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=39506&hl=' target='_blank'>here</a>. We talk about all the problems you mention.

    All I can suggest is that if you really need to play ns with it, go for quality. Seriously don't just pick up any cheap LCD monitor because you WILL get what you pay for. Do the reasearch and get one with a high ratio. Viewsonic makes great monitors both CRT and LCD and thats why I chose them. It also clears up your desk a bunch especially with larger monitors. CRTs get huge as the screen size increases but LCD monitors don't they just get taller. I bought a desk to support my huge monitor and now I got all this space because I bought an LCD monitor of the same size. It's been 6 months and I've had no problems with my LCD monitor.
  • pieceofsoappieceofsoap Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9535Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Fam+Feb 29 2004, 09:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fam @ Feb 29 2004, 09:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The things to look for when buying an LCD is not refresh rate (because they dont refresh all of the pixels at the same time, they only change a pixel when its needed), but rather the <b>Response time</b>.

    LCD's have finally grown up, and its possible to get one which is good for gaming, if you get one with a decent panel with a low response time (20ms or 16ms). The 16ms panels dont actually run everything at 16ms, they dither some colours, so theyre both meant to be as good as one another. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There IS a monitor with a true 16ms Response time. It is arguably the best gaming LCD, the 17 inch Hitachi CML174. Only problem is if you want to get one, you will have to drop at least $400.
  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    edited February 2004
    400 bucks? I gave $1052 for my 15" Philips Brilliance...

    EDIT: Typo.
  • torquetorque Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20035Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    thanks for all the info, guys!

    I do some graphics design AND gaming, so now I'm thinking maybe I'll just wait till monitors get better in quality (and price especially >.>)... i was hoping to keep the price under 400-450.
  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Feb 29 2004, 07:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Feb 29 2004, 07:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I ended up buying two different LCD's a few months ago, and both were so hobbile with ghosting that games and movies were untolerable, DESPITE THE SALESMAN SAYING THEY WOULDN'T :X <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Imagine a salesman ling, I mean what kind of world would we have without ling salesman.
    /ms sumons CWAG
  • JHunzJHunz Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8815Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-relsan+Feb 29 2004, 10:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (relsan @ Feb 29 2004, 10:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I researched this a few months ago and bought my LCD monitor, and had a very interesting discussion on the board about it <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=39506&hl=' target='_blank'>here</a>. We talk about all the problems you mention.

    All I can suggest is that if you really need to play ns with it, go for quality. Seriously don't just pick up any cheap LCD monitor because you WILL get what you pay for. Do the reasearch and get one with a high ratio. Viewsonic makes great monitors both CRT and LCD and thats why I chose them. It also clears up your desk a bunch especially with larger monitors. CRTs get huge as the screen size increases but LCD monitors don't they just get taller. I bought a desk to support my huge monitor and now I got all this space because I bought an LCD monitor of the same size. It's been 6 months and I've had no problems with my LCD monitor. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    However, Viewsonic also has the worst customer support I have ever encountered. It took me five weeks to get my monitor back on a routine warranty repair/replace job, and I was lied to for weeks about when the thing would actually ship. If your viewsonic monitor breaks, factoring in the cost of shipping it to them and not having a monitor for weeks at a time, it's probably better just ot buy a new one.
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