A Bit Of Pointless Conjecture.

Scythe · February 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">Thinking hats on.</div> OK. This is going to take some work to get my brain around but I’ll try.

Picture in your mind a empty room with a light bulb in the middle. The room is dark because the light is off. You now turn the light on. Photons start racing out towards the walls. When the photons are half way there, time freezes.

Inside the room there are two universes. The spherical one centred around the light bulb in which the light bulb is on <b>and</b> the other one which fills the rest of the room in which the light bulb hasn’t been turned on yet.

The light-on universe is expanding at the speed of light, engulfing all in its path, destined to overwhelm the rest of the light-off universe eventually. So whenever you flick on a switch you’re actually creating a new universe which invades the light-off universe at the speed of light. When it flows over you, you see the light turn on.

OK. Now the tricky bit.

Imagine, instead of a light bulb, you have an electron. Consider when this electron moves in it’s tiny little orbit around it’s tiny little nucleus for the shortest possible time (<a href='http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/planck_time.html' target='_blank'>Planck time</a>) it creates it’s own universe. Of course the effect of this electron would be very small but it would still be detectable so it must have it’s own universe.

Now imagine every particle in existence spawning a new universe for itself every Planck time.

Ow…

Can anyone develop this model any further?

--Scythe--

Nemesis_Zero · February 2004

You're using the wrong word - what you are describing is no 'universe', it's an event horizon: An area in which an effect can be percieved, because it is within the range light can have reached since the effect took place.
Let's take an example: Imagine, the sun explodes just <i>now</i>. To us, this has not yet happened, because light, and much less heat, radiation, or the other crap that's now bound to make our life both very interesting and short, has not yet had the time to reach us. In other words, to us, the sun has not yet exploded. A few minutes later, however, the event horizon of the suns explosion reaches Earth - and suddenly, we're in severe trouble.

It's one of the basic assumptions behind the relativity of time.

kuperaye · February 2004

/me head explodes

drools

actually i agree with to an extent nemisis

max planck is my home diggity dog

Hawkeye · February 2004

If it takes 8 minutes before the sun's rays to reach Earth, then we're talking about a difference of 8 minutes subjected for that sun's explosive debris to reach Earth too. If you think about it, it is a bit like a time machine. Even if it is happening now, it only reaches us 8 minutes later, so we might as well be 8 minutes into the future than the sun.

Does that make any sense? Recently, we've seen the farthest galaxy we've ever found, and the reason why that's so interesting is that the farther away you go, the longer light had to travel, hence the further in the past you look. So by seeing a galaxy 1 trillion light years away, we're seeing 1 trillion years into the past.

Now here's something that will boggle your mind.

Imagine in a diagram where the Y axis is space, and the X axis is space.
So you have a typical path of an electron:

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'>
|\ *
| \ *
| \ +\
| \ + \
| *    \
| *    \
| *    \
| *    \
--------------------------</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

This is a naturally occuring phenomenon in quantum mechanics. What is in | and + represents the path of the electron. The * represents the path of a photon. The electron randomly changes direction when it releases a photon, as you can see, and then it lets out another one upwards and continues its decent.

Now here's the real mind boggler. Take the same graph and make the Y axis be time. THE SAME THING HAPPENS! You find at the bottom of the graph moving up, a photon and electron come close, when suddenly the photon turns into an electron and a positron (opposite of electron indicated by the +). The positron and the approaching electron cancel out leaving a photon upwards, and the other electron moves about its path.

Looking at it from the time perspective, it doesn't make much sense, but look at the graph. What you're actually seeing is an electron moving through not just space, but time as well. It actually moved BACKWARDS through time making it have a positive charge. Then going the opposite direction moving forwards throught time again.

I hope I didn't lose all of you. For those of you that got it, how cool is that? An electron time traveler. <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Nemesis_Zero · February 2004

Hawk, you'll like this one:

<a href='http://www.quantumphil.org/' target='_blank'>European scientists prove the existence of time-independent causality.</a>

Basically, the experiment proves that time is not only relative, but nonexistent on quantum level.

boooger · February 2004

I love this kinda stuff - thanks for the link, Nem. If you like this stuff, go by a book store and get Stephen Hawkings <i>Universe in a Nutshell</i>. I got it for a present for some holiday... Anyway, it's a good book, given you like this field of study.

MedHead · February 2004

Eh, I get the feeling you enjoy complicating matters simply to see how complicated you can make them!

If I look at a photograph, am I traveling back in time to the moment when the paper was doused in developer to begin the developing process? Is the paper a portal to a trapped moment in time that will forever remain frozen for my entertainment?

Or how about when somebody is driving to my house, and I call them up - am I traveling in time, because <i>they have yet to reach me?</i>

But then again, I am of the lot that don't feel there is any ability to actually travel back in time with a time machine (such as what we see in science fiction television and literature). Once time has passed, there is no way to relive it. It's gone.

Nor do I feel there are alternate universes, or parellel universes that occur when I make a decision. It's just me. The other parts of the decision never occurred.

Anywho, carry on, I won't be a bother to you anymore.

ZiGGY · February 2004

I fail to see the point of this thread :/ But ill post in it anyway for people to realise that I am unable to find a point to this thread and perhaps mock me at a later date, perhaps in the far future when I am emporer of the world. Yes long term slander is a sick fancy of mine *MUAHAHAHA*

A Bit Of Pointless Conjecture.

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