<!--QuoteBegin-007Bistromath+Mar 1 2004, 02:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (007Bistromath @ Mar 1 2004, 02:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why doesn't RvB use bitTorrent anymore? Everybody knows that if you don't download files with bT, you're downloading them WITH HITLER! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> BitTorrent sucks.
Sorry, but it does.
Yeah yeah there's no lines, but you never go faster than maybe 50k a second if you're lucky and it absolutely rapes your upload speed. And that's only if it even works in the first place...
I've started a bittorrent of a game demo and then got in line at Fileshack, waited in line the half hour, and dl'ed through fileshack, and finished before the BT was even 1/4 done.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 1 2004, 06:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 1 2004, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yeah yeah there's no lines, but you never go faster than maybe 50k a second if you're lucky and it absolutely rapes your upload speed. And that's only if it even works in the first place...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Never faster than 50k/s? Well sure, because with BT, it all depends on <i>when</i> you get the file, not <i>how</i> you get it.
The RvB folk tried BT late last season, and if you were one of the first hundred or so to try and BT the new video on Sundays, you'd get a rotten speed. Most people were downloading and closing it as soon as it was done, which defeated the purpose of BT.
I was waiting until Monday and I'd be getting it at 120k/s or more. Sure, my upstream would be completely hosed for those few minutes, but the time required to get a 30mb file at 120k/s wasn't all that inconvenient.
Still think BT sucks? <a href='http://bt.degreez.net/' target='_blank'>Download</a> shad0w's experimental build - you can set your max upstream speed (among other things), which will allow you to actually use your browser at the same time. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 1 2004, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 1 2004, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah yeah there's no lines, but you never go faster than maybe 50k a second if you're lucky and it absolutely rapes your upload speed. And that's only if it even works in the first place... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Patently untrue. It does have problems sometimes, but speed isn't one of them. I commonly pull in well over 200kbps on files I'm bTing, sometimes pushing 300. The thing is, you usually need to give it time to work. For the first five minutes or so, I tend to get absolutely crudulous download speeds, down in the 10s. After that thoug, it starts finding new, better sources, and it comes flying in like a dream.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sycophant+Mar 1 2004, 05:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sycophant @ Mar 1 2004, 05:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Still think BT sucks? <a href='http://bt.degreez.net/' target='_blank'>Download</a> shad0w's experimental build - you can set your max upstream speed (among other things), which will allow you to actually use your browser at the same time. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, don't do that. Ever. Leeches will kill bitTorrent surer than any bug or deficiency will. Upload limiting kills the entire concept in the same way that shutting bT after you finish downloading does.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 1 2004, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 1 2004, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-007Bistromath+Mar 1 2004, 02:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (007Bistromath @ Mar 1 2004, 02:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why doesn't RvB use bitTorrent anymore? Everybody knows that if you don't download files with bT, you're downloading them WITH HITLER! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> BitTorrent sucks.
Sorry, but it does.
Yeah yeah there's no lines, but you never go faster than maybe 50k a second if you're lucky and it absolutely rapes your upload speed. And that's only if it even works in the first place...
I've started a bittorrent of a game demo and then got in line at Fileshack, waited in line the half hour, and dl'ed through fileshack, and finished before the BT was even 1/4 done.
So yeah, Bittorrent sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Correction: the only way you can get halfway decent torrents is if you download a hacked program that will allow you to download with 0 upload, or some crap like that. But that still means that Torrent blows big fat... you get the idea.
Plus, every time <b>EVERY TIME</b> I've downloaded a torrent, it gets to around 90% and says "HAHAAH CONNECTION LOST!" and the POS **** two-bit program doesn't even feature download resume.
actually, iirc, BT does have download resume: just re-open manually the torrent file after locating it on your drive.
That's not me supporting it though <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ANyone else notice that the bullet holes mysteriously dissapear when sarge is talking? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Sycophant+Mar 1 2004, 04:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sycophant @ Mar 1 2004, 04:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The RvB folk tried BT late last season, and if you were one of the first hundred or so to try and BT the new video on Sundays, you'd get a rotten speed. Most people were downloading and closing it as soon as it was done, which defeated the purpose of BT.
I was waiting until Monday and I'd be getting it at 120k/s or more. Sure, my upstream would be completely hosed for those few minutes, but the time required to get a 30mb file at 120k/s wasn't all that inconvenient. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks for proving my point. Because of Bittorrent it took you 24 hours to get the file.
Bittorrent is no replacement for a massive amount of mirrors, ESPECIALLY on something uber popular like a mod.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 1 2004, 10:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 1 2004, 10:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Sycophant+Mar 1 2004, 04:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sycophant @ Mar 1 2004, 04:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I was waiting until Monday and I'd be getting it at 120k/s or more. Sure, my upstream would be completely hosed for those few minutes, but the time required to get a 30mb file at 120k/s wasn't all that inconvenient. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks for proving my point. Because of Bittorrent it took you 24 hours to get the file.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ... I fail to see how my statement proves your point. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> It didn't take me 24 hours to get the file, it'd take maybe five minutes <i>when I decided to download it</i>.
If you want to be the first person on the planet to fully download a big file, then sure, mirrors are better. If you're one of the many who aren't first-in-line to get a popular file, BT will be a better option because by then a few hundred people are after nabbing it through BT.
To quote myself: <!--QuoteBegin-Me,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Me,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...because with BT, it all depends on <i>when</i> you get the file...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It took you 5 minutes to get it, however you had to wait a day later. Even if you were in line at some filewhatever server for 3 hours you still would have had it Sunday when you originally wanted it.
That's got to be the worst argument I've ever heard against bitTorrent, ever. Bar none.
As to whether or not it's better than mirrors, no, it isn't right now. This has very, very little to do with the program, and almost everything to do with the users. If people would just get it, and use it correctly, it'd be beneficial to everyone.
The internet in its current form and humanity in its current form does not make bittorrent workable for everyone. Once everyone has always-on broadband access without bandwidth limits, maybe some kind of combination bittorrent/p2p form of internet gateway access could come about that makes downloading easier for everyone, but that's going to be a while.
<!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Mar 2 2004, 05:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Mar 2 2004, 05:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well how about this arguement.
Bittorrent sucks up all my CPU and RAM making the comp almost come to a complete standstill and can also cause crashes.
Good enough for you?
And it happens with <b>ANYTHING</b> that uses BT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's weird. Did you try reinstalling it? In my experience, it hardly does anything at all, except for the bandwidth. I can usually run it in the background of other stuff without any noticable change.
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BitTorrent sucks.
Sorry, but it does.
Yeah yeah there's no lines, but you never go faster than maybe 50k a second if you're lucky and it absolutely rapes your upload speed. And that's only if it even works in the first place...
I've started a bittorrent of a game demo and then got in line at Fileshack, waited in line the half hour, and dl'ed through fileshack, and finished before the BT was even 1/4 done.
So yeah, Bittorrent sucks.
Never faster than 50k/s? Well sure, because with BT, it all depends on <i>when</i> you get the file, not <i>how</i> you get it.
The RvB folk tried BT late last season, and if you were one of the first hundred or so to try and BT the new video on Sundays, you'd get a rotten speed. Most people were downloading and closing it as soon as it was done, which defeated the purpose of BT.
I was waiting until Monday and I'd be getting it at 120k/s or more. Sure, my upstream would be completely hosed for those few minutes, but the time required to get a 30mb file at 120k/s wasn't all that inconvenient.
Still think BT sucks? <a href='http://bt.degreez.net/' target='_blank'>Download</a> shad0w's experimental build - you can set your max upstream speed (among other things), which will allow you to actually use your browser at the same time. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Not for small sites with limited bandwidth, love.
Patently untrue. It does have problems sometimes, but speed isn't one of them. I commonly pull in well over 200kbps on files I'm bTing, sometimes pushing 300. The thing is, you usually need to give it time to work. For the first five minutes or so, I tend to get absolutely crudulous download speeds, down in the 10s. After that thoug, it starts finding new, better sources, and it comes flying in like a dream.
Actually, don't do that. Ever. Leeches will kill bitTorrent surer than any bug or deficiency will. Upload limiting kills the entire concept in the same way that shutting bT after you finish downloading does.
BitTorrent sucks.
Sorry, but it does.
Yeah yeah there's no lines, but you never go faster than maybe 50k a second if you're lucky and it absolutely rapes your upload speed. And that's only if it even works in the first place...
I've started a bittorrent of a game demo and then got in line at Fileshack, waited in line the half hour, and dl'ed through fileshack, and finished before the BT was even 1/4 done.
So yeah, Bittorrent sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correction: the only way you can get halfway decent torrents is if you download a hacked program that will allow you to download with 0 upload, or some crap like that. But that still means that Torrent blows big fat... you get the idea.
Plus, every time <b>EVERY TIME</b> I've downloaded a torrent, it gets to around 90% and says "HAHAAH CONNECTION LOST!" and the POS **** two-bit program doesn't even feature download resume.
That's not me supporting it though <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I was waiting until Monday and I'd be getting it at 120k/s or more. Sure, my upstream would be completely hosed for those few minutes, but the time required to get a 30mb file at 120k/s wasn't all that inconvenient. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks for proving my point. Because of Bittorrent it took you 24 hours to get the file.
Bittorrent is no replacement for a massive amount of mirrors, ESPECIALLY on something uber popular like a mod.
Thanks for proving my point. Because of Bittorrent it took you 24 hours to get the file.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
... I fail to see how my statement proves your point. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> It didn't take me 24 hours to get the file, it'd take maybe five minutes <i>when I decided to download it</i>.
If you want to be the first person on the planet to fully download a big file, then sure, mirrors are better. If you're one of the many who aren't first-in-line to get a popular file, BT will be a better option because by then a few hundred people are after nabbing it through BT.
To quote myself:
<!--QuoteBegin-Me,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Me,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...because with BT, it all depends on <i>when</i> you get the file...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As to whether or not it's better than mirrors, no, it isn't right now. This has very, very little to do with the program, and almost everything to do with the users. If people would just get it, and use it correctly, it'd be beneficial to everyone.
Bittorrent sucks up all my CPU and RAM making the comp almost come to a complete standstill and can also cause crashes.
Good enough for you?
And it happens with <b>ANYTHING</b> that uses BT.
Bittorrent sucks up all my CPU and RAM making the comp almost come to a complete standstill and can also cause crashes.
Good enough for you?
And it happens with <b>ANYTHING</b> that uses BT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's weird. Did you try reinstalling it? In my experience, it hardly does anything at all, except for the bandwidth. I can usually run it in the background of other stuff without any noticable change.
Bittorrent kills my inner child....