Constant Voilence And Stupidity Is Entertainment?

IBTIBT Join Date: 2003-10-22 Member: 21879Members
<div class="IPBDescription">it seems our entertainment is degrading</div> First, CS comes out, sure it was ok, but now it blows, ppl there only want violence, seems the game has partally diverted to a TDMSurvival. Then GTA3 comes out, pure violence and only breaking the law. Ohh and i cant forget the hateful "reality" Garbage that is appearing everywhere on TV. Just on the news, seen the game where your a God damn sereal killer, most of the targets cant freaking shoot back!
Why dont game developers make games like NS? Mild blood and the game isnt intended for fear and terror. Instead there makeing things like hitman2, where you never know if your safe. If you shoot someone, blood goes everywhere, and they fly 3 feet away if your useing ballers.
What are our pathetic game developers thinking?
Discuss.

Comments

  • MelatoninMelatonin Babbler Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14551Members, Constellation
    you cant really blame the developers.

    today the game industry is driven primarily by money, and in turn publishers and their market research.

    publishers dont care if developer x wants to create a decent game, all they care about is return on their investment.
    This is what leads games to plagerise violence from movies, and also content from other games.

    hence needless violence occurs because
    a: research tells execs that kids dig blood.
    b: publishers dont want developers to break the current mould in general.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    There aren't many games in the world that have absolutely no violence in them, and have a wide audience. The "Theme" and "Sim" games are the only ones i can think of (apart from sports games, obviously). People want violence. Games Developers want money. Supply and demand.

    And NS is violent and gory anyway. Just because it isn't over-the-top gore doesn't make it non-gore. Blood sprays when things get hit, and the whole idea of the game is to kill an entire species.
  • killswitchkillswitch Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13141Members, Constellation
    People choose their entertainment. It's not the game developer's fault we have violent games, it's our concious choice to purchase that game. Whether that's a bad choice or not is debatable.

    I think movies and video games are more violent simply because we have the technology to make them more violent. Our games are more realistic and so the violence is as well. If Space Invaders could have been designed with 3D space and torpedos and lasers and battle stations and various explosive doodads, it probably would have. Same goes with movies.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First, CS comes out, sure it was ok, but now it blows, ppl there only want violence, seems the game has partally diverted to a TDMSurvival. Then GTA3 comes out, pure violence and only breaking the law. Ohh and i cant forget the hateful "reality" Garbage that is appearing everywhere on TV.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It's worth mentioning that when a game comes out that is violent and has bad gameplay (a very good example would be Postal) it's sales are very low. People don't play games just for violence; it's merely an addition to gameplay. Your 2 game examples support this. CS is a very popular game as it provides two-team deathmatch style gameplay that is quite addictive. I personally don't play it much these days because the community sucks, but the fact that the game has such an immense playerbase shows us that the gameplay must be solid.

    GTA3 and Vice City are also not just pure violence. Both have fairly good storylines (Vice City's is better), excellent quests, side-games, and besides, it's just damn fun to drive at 200km/hr down Main Street. You can go and bash up hookers and civilians if you want, but guess what: most people don't because it gets boring really quickly. These games sell in big numbers because they provide absorbing and addictive gaming challanges.

    Reality TV is garbage, no question there, and here at least in Australia the ratings are taking a big dive. Reality TV initially had "shock value", but with that shock gone people are rapidly losing interest in them. I'm not sure what's happening in the US, but if something similar wasn't occuring I'd be surprised. Give it a year or so and reality TV will be just about gone.
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Of course violence is entertainment, it's been that way for... 4000-5000 years ?
  • IBTIBT Join Date: 2003-10-22 Member: 21879Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sirus+Mar 4 2004, 08:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Mar 4 2004, 08:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Of course violence is entertainment, it's been that way for... 4000-5000 years ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i can understand that violence is entertainment when your looking at something like Madness, seeing someone pull crasey **** like that against all odds, 100's of henchmen, in insane clown, and jesus christ, just to kill a sherrif for playing a stupid pie prank, well, with all that blood, it is kinda like a comidy...

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->a: research tells execs that kids dig blood.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    where the hell does it say that?!?!? whatever happned to the old days where kids went outside and played "truck" or "doctor"? long ago, you didnt see kids beating each other just to see each other bleed!

    and im damn sure that we can do wothout DOD Blood patch's, and Soldats Blood System, if we can make it more realistic then we dont have to!
    Whats next? mort the chicken 2 where mort bleeds to death every time a damn cube lands on him? or you can see him fall over and see the maggots eat at him just because he didnt have enough corn to keep him fed?

    we can do without violence in our games, like you said, developers dont want to break the trend just because it gets them money, they dont wanna try something new because they might lose 50C on there yearly income.
    why cant people make games like treadmarks, thats witty cool and just plain neat, and its rated K-A.

    i am sorry for any pathetic spelling.
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> can understand that violence is entertainment when your looking at something like Madness, seeing someone pull crasey **** like that against all odds, 100's of henchmen, in insane clown, and jesus christ, just to kill a sherrif for playing a stupid pie prank, well, with all that blood, it is kinda like a comidy...
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, but I'll try my best. I'm mainly talking about the Roman Coliseum and the sheer amount of gore in real life. People loved it. I'm sure less-organized gladiator events were around for centuries before the Roman Empire.
  • ShloomShloom Join Date: 2002-07-25 Member: 997Members
    I think that violence in video games is a good thing it just can't be the main reason for playing the game. I personaly think NS would be even better if people (and aliens) could be shredded to pieces and have blood splatter all over the floor and walls. Gore makes a nice accent to a game as long as the rest of the game is good.
  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ryo-Ohki+Mar 4 2004, 08:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Mar 4 2004, 08:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Reality TV is garbage, no question there, and here at least in Australia the ratings are taking a big dive. Reality TV initially had "shock value", but with that shock gone people are rapidly losing interest in them. I'm not sure what's happening in the US, but if something similar wasn't occuring I'd be surprised. Give it a year or so and reality TV will be just about gone. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    oh god if only it were true... but i see people watching this crap ALL THE TIME. When i walk around the dorms i see 4-5-6 TVs tuned in to watch some fat **** be a jerk in front of rich people... or some other stupid thing. I hope it dies... really i do.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <a href='http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/12/1073877762549.html?from=storyrhs' target='_blank'>Sadly, reality shows flooding the market</a>

    As this sad news story shows, one of our FIVE channels here in Australia is debuting no less than FOURTEEN new reality shows this year. My profound hope is that flooding the market like this will make the genra crash. Although it does explain why in the past month I've watched the grand total of one hour of TV, and that was a WWI documentary. Before that, over the whole 3 month holiday period, I watched around 30 hours of TV: every second being Australian cricket.
  • IBTIBT Join Date: 2003-10-22 Member: 21879Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ryo-Ohki+Mar 5 2004, 07:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Mar 5 2004, 07:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/12/1073877762549.html?from=storyrhs' target='_blank'>Sadly, reality shows flooding the market</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    rember what happned wit pokemon, thats crap now.
    what i meant with ns is that its complex, thus driving the yonger players out, with the game i saw on the news, well, then they showed the previews of it, the ppl telling the story were playing it.
    PLUS parents must be more aware, instead of that mom on penny arcade "what does this big M stand for?" "umm, monkeys yeah thats it!" "ook ill get this game for you" 8 year olds dont need to be playing parasite eve (take a gusse who did that <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) if anything, younger player need to play more sutable games, like mort the chickin, look at that chicken go....
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I'll <span style='color:red'>***lock***</span> this because the topics starter is clearly not following our rules. raFBIT, this forum requires you to make use of argumentative structures in favor of your point. "Xyz is crap" does not qualify for this.
    Also, while I generally don't harp at such stuff, if you're in here, I'd greatly appreciate you trying to use your best English.
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