Re-made Maps

xMaD-MaNx

<div class="IPBDescription">We want more ents!</div> I know all these maps are being remade to have a lower ent count, but what about the people with real computers and servers that could run the old hera and bast just fine? Will there ever be a high-entity version of any of the maps? Maybe a HE (high entity) version would be a standard for all maps. Would look something like this: ns_heraHE, ns_agoraHE, co_coreHE (HE on the end stands for high-entity). For normal ent-count maps we could just leave the names as they are: ns_caged, co_faceoff.

Last

and... what's the benefit of having high numbers of entities again?

Jabba_The_Hunt

^ what last said.

weggy

The problem wasnt necessarilly the mass amount of enteties... its just that they werent used properly. So Effect A originally was done with 5 enteties, when it really could've only taken 2. So its just more efficient to use less if you can.

And as far as having "enhanced" maps, I dont think its really worth it. Though I do think it is silly to have an official entity limit.

MrGunner

I'd just like to play a non crappy version of hera. I loved the 1.04 version. The only thing that ever needed changing with that map was the double siege, and that could easily have been fixed with nobuild brushes.

Reebdoog

AFAIK, the entity load is on the servers, not on the client computers, Flay and co have done everything possible short of hacking the engine and making a new engine to reduce lag for the servers. The higher entity count slowed the servers, so it makes no difference really how good your computer is. (I'm sure cagey will come smack me down)

RaVe

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Actually you have it half-right....entities are kept track of on the server, and entities visible to players are forced to see them on screen.

Meaning the server suffers most, but the client does as well. Remember that if the client can't see entities, they can't see players <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

BTW, no point in seeing enhanced maps....what would be the point if it were just the same map with just more entities....<insert what weggy said here>

coil

Keep in mind that every building dropped over the course of a game is also an entity. The average game of NS has an obscenely high entity count, which is why the maps - the one static source of entities - need to be pared down a bit.

civman2

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Mines too!

Code9

*reads the topic* No. We don't.