what really confuses me is how Al -Quaeda can do these kind of things in the name of Islam? (please note, this is <b>not</b> an anti muslim post far from it)
now as i understand it, Islam is a peacefull religion, advocating only self defence. here in my university hall of residence most of my friends are international students, many being muslim Pakistanis, who are some of the nicest ppl ive ever met and are completly non violent because thats what their religion tells them.
so why do they do such awfull things? anybody who can plan/enact anything like this, is no longer a human being
anyway,im sure there is much love going out to those poor spaniards tonite <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
Also, anybody else notice that this attack is 6 months (3/11 rather than 9/11) after the Sept. 11 attacks? Perhaps there's something Significant to being 2.5 years after it? (If anything just due to copycats?)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->now as i understand it, Islam is a peacefull religion, advocating only self defence. here in my university hall of residence most of my friends are international students, many being muslim Pakistanis, who are some of the nicest ppl ive ever met and are completly non violent because thats what their religion tells them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The same way the Catholic church managed to gather tens of thousands of people for the Crusades; warping theology. It's hard to imagine the teachings of a pacifist like Jesus being turned to war, but it happens.
Islam is a very peaceful religion, that's very true. It also preaches fair and equable treatment of women. What certain clerics and cultures do however is twist that philosophy into something else. Take jihad for example; originally it's meaning was a spiritual quest to obtain enlightenment. But now's it's interpreted by many as a holy war against. Clerics will take only certain phrases from the Qu'ran, ignoring others, building up an interpretation of the scriptures that supports their views.
This is where you get fundamentalism, and it's present in religions across the world, and certainly within the 3 great monotheastic religions (Judaism, Islam and Christianity). Fanatics who take warped interpretations of their religions to the extreme. Interestingly enough, if you ask most mainstream religious people what they think of fundamentalists from their own faith, they'll condemn them usually. Fundamentalists are rarely seen as "Islamic" or "Christian". So it's not Islam that is behind Al Qaeda, and there's nothing about Islam that preaches terrorism. It's simply been twisted for personal gain by individuals.
By the way, there's a thread on the Spain attacks over in the Discussions forum if anyone's interested.
I heard the U.S. is preparing to go over there..... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
SpoogeThunderbolt missile in your cheeriosJoin Date: 2002-01-25Member: 67Members
Eek, I understand where you're coming from but that attitude is unacceptable. I would rather listen to all of Europe whine and complain every day about our "frightening, imperialistic, fascist, Big Mac spreading culture" than have them face this kind of indescriminate slaughter.
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
edited March 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Mullet+Mar 11 2004, 08:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Mar 11 2004, 08:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I heard the U.S. is preparing to go over there..... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
This is a lot worse than I expected. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> To Spain or the Discussion forum?
b/c if the US is sending troops there......
anyways back on topic
The US military was desgined to fight 2 and a 1/2 wars. meaning 2 full scale conflicts and one major peace keeping type thing some where else.
Now that the US is in Afganistan, Iraq, Hati, South eastern Europe, plus the 38,000 troops in S.Korea...not to mention nuclear talks going down the crapper in Iran and still unresolved issues in North Korea.
someone refresh my memory please, How many friends does the US have left in the UN? Besides Isreal. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
This was very sad. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Some people I know are putting an X infront of their MSN nicks due to this attack. Dunno why, just had a friend of mine screaming to do the same (Spanish decendence she has).
I mean, why would anyone do this? In all religions, isn't killing what one should not do? Like, the worst sin? I mean, if God loves us all (as they say), why would he want some people to die?
Terrorist attacks like these are one of the many human flaws <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Racism, discrimination, genocide, tyranny, nuclear bombs (weapons of mass destruction is the phrase heard oh-too-often), struggles for political powers, terrorist groups, and overall the fight for power...Just a minor bit of flaws that human nature seems to have.
My deepest condolences to all of those families who lost their loved ones in <b>any</b> of the recent terrorist attacks. I hope this senseless killing stops soon, before the people in the next generation have to learn about the dark plague of terrorism that occured during the early 21st century. Unfortunately, with all the extremest groups / rebel groups(Haiti anyone?) showing up, there dosen't seem to be a real end to the bloodshed.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->someone refresh my memory please, How many friends does the US have left in the UN? Besides Isreal.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's a situational thing. Some nations like Australia and the United Kingdom will likely stand by the US regardless, others will only be willing to assist the US in certain circumstances. i.e. Say the US claims Iran has WMD but can't prove it conclusively (like in iraq). Most nations won't want any part of it, and even the afforementioned allies might not want to be part of such a conflict. On the other hand, if Iran invaded Kuwaiit, the US would find allies everywhere. Look at S-11; virtually the whole world wanted to help the US track down who was responsable.
However it should be said that Bush really angered the UN with the Iraq war. It's interesting how with one stroke Bush destroyed almost all the post S-11 support the US had gained.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate racist people in Oklahoma.
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
Also, anybody else notice that this attack is 6 months (3/11 rather than 9/11) after the Sept. 11 attacks? Perhaps there's something Significant to being 2.5 years after it? (If anything just due to copycats?) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> God this ****ing kills me. I still remember after the 9 / 11 attacks how many people made comments at me while I walked through the halls of my own high school. I didn't even feel safe, like someone was going to attack me because they felt obligated to do so. Because their country demanded that they attack someone who had nothing to do with it...
Racist ***s of *******. Why won't they stop stereotyping people. I mean, ffs I'm of Indian descendance, and my family is Roman Catholic (going back several generations). Yet because I happen to be of a tan skin tone, I was immediately suspect. ?? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Mar 12 2004, 03:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Mar 12 2004, 03:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate racist people in Oklahoma.
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
Also, anybody else notice that this attack is 6 months (3/11 rather than 9/11) after the Sept. 11 attacks? Perhaps there's something Significant to being 2.5 years after it? (If anything just due to copycats?) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> God this ****ing kills me. I still remember after the 9 / 11 attacks how many people made comments at me while I walked through the halls of my own high school. I didn't even feel safe, like someone was going to attack me because they felt obligated to do so. Because their country demanded that they attack someone who had nothing to do with it...
Racist ***s of *******. Why won't they stop stereotyping people. I mean, ffs I'm of Indian descendance, and my family is Roman Catholic (going back several generations). Yet because I happen to be of a tan skin tone, I was immediately suspect. ?? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You media network really doesn't help the situation..... It makes it worse!
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Mar 11 2004, 10:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Mar 11 2004, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate racist people in Oklahoma.
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
Also, anybody else notice that this attack is 6 months (3/11 rather than 9/11) after the Sept. 11 attacks? Perhaps there's something Significant to being 2.5 years after it? (If anything just due to copycats?) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> God this ****ing kills me. I still remember after the 9 / 11 attacks how many people made comments at me while I walked through the halls of my own high school. I didn't even feel safe, like someone was going to attack me because they felt obligated to do so. Because their country demanded that they attack someone who had nothing to do with it...
Racist ***s of *******. Why won't they stop stereotyping people. I mean, ffs I'm of Indian descendance, and my family is Roman Catholic (going back several generations). Yet because I happen to be of a tan skin tone, I was immediately suspect. ?? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I completely agree with you. I'm completely american, I'm as white as it gets. But the thing is, there is absolutely NO reason to hate muslims, to spit at them or anything of the sort. My debate teacher taught me all about the muslim religion and culture, and they are very peaceful. The people doing this are NOT muslims. They are muslim extremeists, hell bent on infecting their warped view of islam to the world at ANY cost. The Qu'raan (Koran) specifically states that violence is forbidden, for any reason (except for personal defense, I think).
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate racist people in Oklahoma.
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
Also, anybody else notice that this attack is 6 months (3/11 rather than 9/11) after the Sept. 11 attacks? Perhaps there's something Significant to being 2.5 years after it? (If anything just due to copycats?) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Do those idiots know their Jesus was middleeastern?
I have a friend who lives in a culdasack(sp?) anyway, there are many african american families that live near him and they always play ball in his "court" or culdasack, they hit cars sometimes and won't get out of the way when soemone is backing out... he always says stuff like, "Stupid black people..." when he should be saying "stupid people" everyone wants to bring race and religion in, well, I don't care what color your skin is or who you worship or don't worship, all I care about is the content of your heart.
I don't like Saddam Hussein, I don't like Osama Bin Laden, it isn't because they're muslim or from the middle east, Jesus was from the middle east and I happen to like him <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> , people need to stop bringing race and religion into everything, judge a man based on his heart not on his looks, I say. People are so shallow... meh.
"Increase in Knowledge, Increase in Suffering..."
~ Solomon
Ignorance is bliss sometimes... this terrorism thing depresses me so bad, why kill another man? These people are insane and inhumane and I am from Texas, so believe me when I say I support the death-penalty, if you kill a person or people then you deserve to die like the scum you are... but then, it isn't really my job to judge anyone, so I'll shut-up now. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Mar 11 2004, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Mar 11 2004, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate racist people in Oklahoma.
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
Also, anybody else notice that this attack is 6 months (3/11 rather than 9/11) after the Sept. 11 attacks? Perhaps there's something Significant to being 2.5 years after it? (If anything just due to copycats?) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> God this ****ing kills me. I still remember after the 9 / 11 attacks how many people made comments at me while I walked through the halls of my own high school. I didn't even feel safe, like someone was going to attack me because they felt obligated to do so. Because their country demanded that they attack someone who had nothing to do with it...
Racist ***s of *******. Why won't they stop stereotyping people. I mean, ffs I'm of Indian descendance, and my family is Roman Catholic (going back several generations). Yet because I happen to be of a tan skin tone, I was immediately suspect. ?? ??? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> :(
I wish I could say anything to make this sort of crap, but there isn't really anything that can be said or done. Except perhaps you and me going to all their houses w/ a baseball bat.
I have a friend whose family was in the same situation though. I live in Oklahoma City, and back in 1995 Tim McVeigh & co. decided to blow up the Murrah Federal Building (you probably remember it because up until 9/11 it was the biggest terrorist attack on American soil afaik). Well before McVeigh was found out the FBI had arrested another suspect at the airport, a muslim guy whose last name was Ahmed.
At the time my best friend's name was Nabeel Ahmed. Having the same last name and ethnicity of the guy who was arrested, he and the rest of his family were really treated horribly. For weeks they had to pay cash for everything because once they showed anything with thier name on it (i.e. check or credit card) nobody would accept their business. They couldn't even buy food because of **** assuming they were connected with this guy (who himself turned out to have absolute nothing to do w/ the attack). Sucks.
<!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 12 2004, 02:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 12 2004, 02:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Mar 11 2004, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Mar 11 2004, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Mar 11 2004, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate racist people in Oklahoma.
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
Also, anybody else notice that this attack is 6 months (3/11 rather than 9/11) after the Sept. 11 attacks? Perhaps there's something Significant to being 2.5 years after it? (If anything just due to copycats?) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> God this ****ing kills me. I still remember after the 9 / 11 attacks how many people made comments at me while I walked through the halls of my own high school. I didn't even feel safe, like someone was going to attack me because they felt obligated to do so. Because their country demanded that they attack someone who had nothing to do with it...
Racist ***s of *******. Why won't they stop stereotyping people. I mean, ffs I'm of Indian descendance, and my family is Roman Catholic (going back several generations). Yet because I happen to be of a tan skin tone, I was immediately suspect. ?? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I wish I could say anything to make this sort of crap, but there isn't really anything that can be said or done. Except perhaps you and me going to all their houses w/ a baseball bat.
I have a friend whose family was in the same situation though. I live in Oklahoma City, and back in 1995 Tim McVeigh & co. decided to blow up the Murrah Federal Building (you probably remember it because up until 9/11 it was the biggest terrorist attack on American soil afaik). Well before McVeigh was found out the FBI had arrested another suspect at the airport, a muslim guy whose last name was Ahmed.
At the time my best friend's name was Nabeel Ahmed. Having the same last name and ethnicity of the guy who was arrested, he and the rest of his family were really treated horribly. For weeks they had to pay cash for everything because once they showed anything with thier name on it (i.e. check or credit card) nobody would accept their business. They couldn't even buy food because of **** assuming they were connected with this guy (who himself turned out to have absolute nothing to do w/ the attack). Sucks.
And again:
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <span style='color:white'>Gee, that had nothing to with the preceeding posts, had it?</span>
Not living in the US, I can't really say how much I know of the racism in the US. But I remember seeing a news segment that showed the number of Muslims who had left New York since the Twin Tower inciddent. I can't remember the exact reasons as to their exodus as according to the news segment, but I don't think it needs much imagination <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And strange that you mention about communists. I did a history presentation on McCarthy not too long ago. It's pretty sad honestly how people become targeted just for agreement in an ideology. Heck, even if they were <b>former</b> communists, they were good for targeting. They weren't accused for anything in particular, simply put, the mentality was communists = espionage. Sad...
Then there was the Japanese internement in North America during WWII. As loyal to our nation as a regular Canadian/American would be. But thanks to racist paranoia, the government has no choice but to bow down to the uneducated masses and ruin the Japanese-Americans/Canadians.
History... always repeating itself like that ****ing irritating MIDI file that won't shut up.
EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
edited March 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Fail.Safe+Mar 12 2004, 03:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fail.Safe @ Mar 12 2004, 03:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Terrorist attacks like these are one of the many human flaws <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's not human fault it's a human fault.. quit dropping the guilt over our shoulder... Yeah, the bombs sux, and EEK, that's laughable. Didnt spain support you anyway?
<!--QuoteBegin-BeRzErKeR+Mar 12 2004, 12:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BeRzErKeR @ Mar 12 2004, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't it say in the Koran somewhere that martyrs automatically get to heaven? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There is a reference in the Qu'ran that is translated by many to suggest that martyrs do go to heaven. Unfortunately, this translation is not challenged often enough. The same verse has actually been translated at least 4 different ways. Since I don't know Arabic, I can't hope to judge for myself which is correct. However, knowing that one of the key tenants of Islam is peace and non-violence, the idea that suicide bombers can and will go to heaven by murdering innocent people doesn't seem to fit with the fact that murdering innocent people it is explicitly forbidden by the Qu'ran.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Apparently Al Quaeda sent a letter to London claiming responsibility for the attack. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One of these days I wish they'd goof up and put a return address on there <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Fun. The US military was desgined to fight 2 and a 1/2 wars. meaning 2 full scale conflicts and one major peace keeping type thing some where else.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not anymore actually. Congress changed the requirement a little before Sep 11. The US requirement of being able to fight a 2 front war is no more.
My condolences to the recent tragedy in spain, RIP to those whos lives were lost.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
hey, doom, I got a couple bats and a plunger... can I join you?
Oh, and as for the comment of our media making things worse for minorities that at all resemble those involved in attacks....
man, what news do you read/listen/watch?
Most of our papers/tv showes has (large and prominent) segments on musslim reaction to the 9/11 attacks. They were all uniformly disgusted.
I am lucky enugh to have spent my time in very liberal areas, rarely do I have to deal with these kinds of people directly. But even having to do it once in a while, or over the internet, it makes me feel angry at people who are suposed to be 'my people' (I am an upper middle class wasp from NYC, you don't get much more genericly and stereotypicly american :P). And then Iwatch people spue hate at things they don't even know anytihng about.
now i dont believe in any particluar god (im agnostic really) but i do think that all the major religions (and Bill and Ted for that matter) have something important to say, i.e be excellent to one another.
now if all these idiots not soon realise that: this is the only planet we have; we are all memebers of the same family and that life is short and ultimatley pointless then we are going to end up in a very bad situation very soon ( i give us 100 years tops if we dont stop doing this ****)
and this <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
whoever said that to DOOManic is obviously a retarded hick. as already said jesus was from what is now the middle east (yes i my not believe in a god, but im sure jesus existed, said some revolutionary things like "lets be nice to each other" and got mudered for his trouble), but also appears in the Islam as a prophet. an important one as well.
humans need to see past thier differeneces and start acting like the evolved, intelligent creatures we claim to be.
still much love and thoughts going to the spanish from me again, man i couldnt bring myself to read even a quarter of the news paper stories about it today. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And this is why I say that I'm against organized religion. I'm not saying religion is bad, but people tend to warp religion into what they want to hear. Terrorist groups will warp religious ideas (be it Christian, Muslim, or Jewish, or any other religion) to their own views. Even "Christians" will warp Christianity into what they want to hear. I've gone to a church (Southern Baptist if you want specifics), where the youth group leader said if you werent SB, you were going to be damned. Being raised Catholic (and now more of a Deist) I promptly decided everything he said was ignorant crap, and advised my friend to stop going to the church. Alas she refused, and shes been brainwashed into thinking with that manner that I will be damned, and that I need saved. Shes not necessesarily going out bombing people, but this is why I don't like organized religion. People should take their holy book of choice, and interpret it for themselves, and ask preacher/priests/rabbis for further understanding, not have the entire book dictated to them.
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now as i understand it, Islam is a peacefull religion, advocating only self defence. here in my university hall of residence most of my friends are international students, many being muslim Pakistanis, who are some of the nicest ppl ive ever met and are completly non violent because thats what their religion tells them.
so why do they do such awfull things? anybody who can plan/enact anything like this, is no longer a human being
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I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
Also, anybody else notice that this attack is 6 months (3/11 rather than 9/11) after the Sept. 11 attacks? Perhaps there's something Significant to being 2.5 years after it? (If anything just due to copycats?)
The same way the Catholic church managed to gather tens of thousands of people for the Crusades; warping theology. It's hard to imagine the teachings of a pacifist like Jesus being turned to war, but it happens.
Islam is a very peaceful religion, that's very true. It also preaches fair and equable treatment of women. What certain clerics and cultures do however is twist that philosophy into something else. Take jihad for example; originally it's meaning was a spiritual quest to obtain enlightenment. But now's it's interpreted by many as a holy war against. Clerics will take only certain phrases from the Qu'ran, ignoring others, building up an interpretation of the scriptures that supports their views.
This is where you get fundamentalism, and it's present in religions across the world, and certainly within the 3 great monotheastic religions (Judaism, Islam and Christianity). Fanatics who take warped interpretations of their religions to the extreme. Interestingly enough, if you ask most mainstream religious people what they think of fundamentalists from their own faith, they'll condemn them usually. Fundamentalists are rarely seen as "Islamic" or "Christian". So it's not Islam that is behind Al Qaeda, and there's nothing about Islam that preaches terrorism. It's simply been twisted for personal gain by individuals.
By the way, there's a thread on the Spain attacks over in the Discussions forum if anyone's interested.
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To Spain or the Discussion forum?
b/c if the US is sending troops there......
anyways back on topic
The US military was desgined to fight 2 and a 1/2 wars. meaning 2 full scale conflicts and one major peace keeping type thing some where else.
Now that the US is in Afganistan, Iraq, Hati, South eastern Europe, plus the 38,000 troops in S.Korea...not to mention nuclear talks going down the crapper in Iran and still unresolved issues in North Korea.
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someone refresh my memory please, How many friends does the US have left in the UN? Besides Isreal.
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Some people I know are putting an X infront of their MSN nicks due to this attack. Dunno why, just had a friend of mine screaming to do the same (Spanish decendence she has).
I mean, why would anyone do this? In all religions, isn't killing what one should not do? Like, the worst sin? I mean, if God loves us all (as they say), why would he want some people to die?
Agreed.
Racism, discrimination, genocide, tyranny, nuclear bombs (weapons of mass destruction is the phrase heard oh-too-often), struggles for political powers, terrorist groups, and overall the fight for power...Just a minor bit of flaws that human nature seems to have.
My deepest condolences to all of those families who lost their loved ones in <b>any</b> of the recent terrorist attacks. I hope this senseless killing stops soon, before the people in the next generation have to learn about the dark plague of terrorism that occured during the early 21st century. Unfortunately, with all the extremest groups / rebel groups(Haiti anyone?) showing up, there dosen't seem to be a real end to the bloodshed.
It's a situational thing. Some nations like Australia and the United Kingdom will likely stand by the US regardless, others will only be willing to assist the US in certain circumstances. i.e. Say the US claims Iran has WMD but can't prove it conclusively (like in iraq). Most nations won't want any part of it, and even the afforementioned allies might not want to be part of such a conflict. On the other hand, if Iran invaded Kuwaiit, the US would find allies everywhere. Look at S-11; virtually the whole world wanted to help the US track down who was responsable.
However it should be said that Bush really angered the UN with the Iraq war. It's interesting how with one stroke Bush destroyed almost all the post S-11 support the US had gained.
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
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God this ****ing kills me. I still remember after the 9 / 11 attacks how many people made comments at me while I walked through the halls of my own high school. I didn't even feel safe, like someone was going to attack me because they felt obligated to do so. Because their country demanded that they attack someone who had nothing to do with it...
Racist ***s of *******. Why won't they stop stereotyping people. I mean, ffs I'm of Indian descendance, and my family is Roman Catholic (going back several generations). Yet because I happen to be of a tan skin tone, I was immediately suspect. ?? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
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God this ****ing kills me. I still remember after the 9 / 11 attacks how many people made comments at me while I walked through the halls of my own high school. I didn't even feel safe, like someone was going to attack me because they felt obligated to do so. Because their country demanded that they attack someone who had nothing to do with it...
Racist ***s of *******. Why won't they stop stereotyping people. I mean, ffs I'm of Indian descendance, and my family is Roman Catholic (going back several generations). Yet because I happen to be of a tan skin tone, I was immediately suspect. ?? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You media network really doesn't help the situation..... It makes it worse!
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
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God this ****ing kills me. I still remember after the 9 / 11 attacks how many people made comments at me while I walked through the halls of my own high school. I didn't even feel safe, like someone was going to attack me because they felt obligated to do so. Because their country demanded that they attack someone who had nothing to do with it...
Racist ***s of *******. Why won't they stop stereotyping people. I mean, ffs I'm of Indian descendance, and my family is Roman Catholic (going back several generations). Yet because I happen to be of a tan skin tone, I was immediately suspect. ?? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I completely agree with you. I'm completely american, I'm as white as it gets. But the thing is, there is absolutely NO reason to hate muslims, to spit at them or anything of the sort. My debate teacher taught me all about the muslim religion and culture, and they are very peaceful. The people doing this are NOT muslims. They are muslim extremeists, hell bent on infecting their warped view of islam to the world at ANY cost. The Qu'raan (Koran) specifically states that violence is forbidden, for any reason (except for personal defense, I think).
Education is the key. Knowledge is power.
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
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Do those idiots know their Jesus was middleeastern?
but off-topic i gotta say that i hate when people say JESUS WAS BLACK!!!
i don't remember nazareth being the capital of zimbabwe.
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"Increase in Knowledge, Increase in Suffering..."
~ Solomon
Ignorance is bliss sometimes... this terrorism thing depresses me so bad, why kill another man? These people are insane and inhumane and I am from Texas, so believe me when I say I support the death-penalty, if you kill a person or people then you deserve to die like the scum you are... but then, it isn't really my job to judge anyone, so I'll shut-up now. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
~ DarkATi
That sums it all up quite well, actually.
Doesn't it say in the Koran somewhere that martyrs automatically get to heaven?
I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
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God this ****ing kills me. I still remember after the 9 / 11 attacks how many people made comments at me while I walked through the halls of my own high school. I didn't even feel safe, like someone was going to attack me because they felt obligated to do so. Because their country demanded that they attack someone who had nothing to do with it...
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:(
I wish I could say anything to make this sort of crap, but there isn't really anything that can be said or done. Except perhaps you and me going to all their houses w/ a baseball bat.
I have a friend whose family was in the same situation though. I live in Oklahoma City, and back in 1995 Tim McVeigh & co. decided to blow up the Murrah Federal Building (you probably remember it because up until 9/11 it was the biggest terrorist attack on American soil afaik). Well before McVeigh was found out the FBI had arrested another suspect at the airport, a muslim guy whose last name was Ahmed.
At the time my best friend's name was Nabeel Ahmed. Having the same last name and ethnicity of the guy who was arrested, he and the rest of his family were really treated horribly. For weeks they had to pay cash for everything because once they showed anything with thier name on it (i.e. check or credit card) nobody would accept their business. They couldn't even buy food because of **** assuming they were connected with this guy (who himself turned out to have absolute nothing to do w/ the attack). Sucks.
And again:
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I tell them of the tragedy that occurs, and the first thing out of their mouth is "well its them damn rugheads again. we outta nuke all those muslim sand ******* in the name of jesus". This is before even hearing who the suspects for the attack are, they just up and assume crap...
>:(
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God this ****ing kills me. I still remember after the 9 / 11 attacks how many people made comments at me while I walked through the halls of my own high school. I didn't even feel safe, like someone was going to attack me because they felt obligated to do so. Because their country demanded that they attack someone who had nothing to do with it...
Racist ***s of *******. Why won't they stop stereotyping people. I mean, ffs I'm of Indian descendance, and my family is Roman Catholic (going back several generations). Yet because I happen to be of a tan skin tone, I was immediately suspect. ?? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I wish I could say anything to make this sort of crap, but there isn't really anything that can be said or done. Except perhaps you and me going to all their houses w/ a baseball bat.
I have a friend whose family was in the same situation though. I live in Oklahoma City, and back in 1995 Tim McVeigh & co. decided to blow up the Murrah Federal Building (you probably remember it because up until 9/11 it was the biggest terrorist attack on American soil afaik). Well before McVeigh was found out the FBI had arrested another suspect at the airport, a muslim guy whose last name was Ahmed.
At the time my best friend's name was Nabeel Ahmed. Having the same last name and ethnicity of the guy who was arrested, he and the rest of his family were really treated horribly. For weeks they had to pay cash for everything because once they showed anything with thier name on it (i.e. check or credit card) nobody would accept their business. They couldn't even buy food because of **** assuming they were connected with this guy (who himself turned out to have absolute nothing to do w/ the attack). Sucks.
And again:
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<span style='color:white'>Gee, that had nothing to with the preceeding posts, had it?</span>
And strange that you mention about communists. I did a history presentation on McCarthy not too long ago. It's pretty sad honestly how people become targeted just for agreement in an ideology. Heck, even if they were <b>former</b> communists, they were good for targeting. They weren't accused for anything in particular, simply put, the mentality was communists = espionage. Sad...
Then there was the Japanese internement in North America during WWII. As loyal to our nation as a regular Canadian/American would be. But thanks to racist paranoia, the government has no choice but to bow down to the uneducated masses and ruin the Japanese-Americans/Canadians.
History... always repeating itself like that ****ing irritating MIDI file that won't shut up.
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It's not human fault it's a human fault.. quit dropping the guilt over our shoulder...
Yeah, the bombs sux, and EEK, that's laughable. Didnt spain support you anyway?
There is a reference in the Qu'ran that is translated by many to suggest that martyrs do go to heaven. Unfortunately, this translation is not challenged often enough. The same verse has actually been translated at least 4 different ways. Since I don't know Arabic, I can't hope to judge for myself which is correct. However, knowing that one of the key tenants of Islam is peace and non-violence, the idea that suicide bombers can and will go to heaven by murdering innocent people doesn't seem to fit with the fact that murdering innocent people it is explicitly forbidden by the Qu'ran.
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Not anymore actually. Congress changed the requirement a little before Sep 11. The US requirement of being able to fight a 2 front war is no more.
My condolences to the recent tragedy in spain, RIP to those whos lives were lost.
Oh, and as for the comment of our media making things worse for minorities that at all resemble those involved in attacks....
man, what news do you read/listen/watch?
Most of our papers/tv showes has (large and prominent) segments on musslim reaction to the 9/11 attacks. They were all uniformly disgusted.
I am lucky enugh to have spent my time in very liberal areas, rarely do I have to deal with these kinds of people directly. But even having to do it once in a while, or over the internet, it makes me feel angry at people who are suposed to be 'my people' (I am an upper middle class wasp from NYC, you don't get much more genericly and stereotypicly american :P). And then Iwatch people spue hate at things they don't even know anytihng about.
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now if all these idiots not soon realise that: this is the only planet we have; we are all memebers of the same family and that life is short and ultimatley pointless then we are going to end up in a very bad situation very soon ( i give us 100 years tops if we dont stop doing this ****)
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whoever said that to DOOManic is obviously a retarded hick. as already said jesus was from what is now the middle east (yes i my not believe in a god, but im sure jesus existed, said some revolutionary things like "lets be nice to each other" and got mudered for his trouble), but also appears in the Islam as a prophet. an important one as well.
humans need to see past thier differeneces and start acting like the evolved, intelligent creatures we claim to be.
still much love and thoughts going to the spanish from me again, man i couldnt bring myself to read even a quarter of the news paper stories about it today. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->