Webs Not Welded Midair?

Ballisto

<div class="IPBDescription">When jping</div> When jping in combat, I've repeatedly tried to get to heavily webbed hives. But the welder doesn't seem to work midair.

Is it a bug? Is it in for balance? Seems fair that a jper could weld webs, after all we have fades and lerks already to get jpers. If he invested that point in a welder, doesn't he deserve to counter the webs?

I_Am_The_Force

The welder was changes to fire randomly instead of always firing so there is a chance you will weld the web and a chance you wont. If you need something to take out webs then invest in a gl.

Norml_E_High

Yeah, I think alot of the time too that with the random fire thing and moving forward through the air that you just get unlucky and dont hit the web. Besides, welders shouldn't be the end all to getting webbed in the hive with a jp. That would be absolutely stupid.

Salvation_r2

its not random

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Boy_who_lost_his_wings

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the welder dosent cover the ENTIER marine =\

Trent_Hawkins

Great diagram... although it could have been smaller; nearly 75% smaller...


If memory serves me (and it usually doesn't), they changed the welder so that its rate of fire was slower. the reasoning was something about welding armour, or buildings, or something. I think the chance of missing the web is great. kinda makes sense; a hive (three, is it? I forget.) ability shouldn't be so easily countered by a "cheap-little-gadget" that the commander can thow at his team at nearly any point IMHO.

now if only there was a 1% chance a web could survive a grenade......

BOBDolol

Welding isn't random, they only changed the sound/sprite

RedWingate

NS3 Beta2 Changelog:

O Changed welder to have a random ROF (gameplay effects should be unchanged)

AvengerX

well first off the diagram drawn above really helped shed some light on the mystery here and also I think that if webs are bothering you that badly you should probly get a GL. Sure the people will call you a nub spammer but hey its in the game for a reason. but I could see how you'd rather want a shotty then a GL cuz in my opion (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think anything takes down a hive faster then a shotty

Aaron

I am skeptical of that diagram. I have never seen a web strand be "partially welded". If a web strand is welded, the whole darn thing goes away. It would be computationally ridiculous to split up web sprites into welded and non-welded portions. There either is a strand or is no strand, not half a strand or three quarters of a strand.

My guess is either through randomness the webs don't get welded, or if they do, you are getting caught by a second strand.

Petco

I miss the old welder and the sounds. Also i like to try killing skulks and gorges and buildings with welder back in 1.04

Cereal_KillR

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My guess is either through randomness the webs don't get welded, or if they do, you are getting caught by a second strand. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
webs are in plural form: it's not a single web. What that driagram shows is that webs above and under the welder's range aren't welded. If you advance, you'll get stuck by them.

Testament

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am skeptical of that diagram. I have never seen a web strand be "partially welded". If a web strand is welded, the whole darn thing goes away. It would be computationally ridiculous to split up web sprites into welded and non-welded portions. There either is a strand or is no strand, not half a strand or three quarters of a strand.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You lose, my good sir. The diagram clearly states that you have to be aiming the Welder directly at the web, instead of in its general direction.

That, and Gorges are made of strawberry moon cheese.

Zek

Despite the diagram, before the welder change it was entirely possible for a crouched JP marine to fly forward with the welder and never hit any webs regardless of quantity. In that situation the marine would crouch, weld through the top web mid-flight and go right over the bottom one. Very, very rarely did I ever see a welding JPer get caught on a web. The sporadic RoF of the welder now means that there's a good chance JPers won't weld the web while moving that fast. Simple as that.

AvengerX

I've been a JPer for a while and I find that I don't need to weld the webs they can only have a small number of webs in an area so its not that hard to aviod them and if it is then you can just grab a GL and say bye bye webs.

JediYoshi

The diagram was pretty intresting, however discluding that fact, the second the welder touches the web, all of it disappears(of course). Soo, only when the web is at an angle you'll have to look down at that exact angle before your body has a chance to touch it before you get "webbed"