You guys are gonna make me multi-vote for UT all night to catch up aren't ya... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Don't tempt me! I <b>do not</b> have class tomorrow!
ut is a single fast paced game.. it has no strategy, the communities are not even comparable, its blah.
on the other side of the ring, half life is the GREATEST game ever, as you are still playing it 10 years after its release, take part in its amazing communities and mod mod mod mod mod like mad.
there is no comparrison, i have no idea why people even vote UT.
Well, the Unreal Tournament bots completely trash anything Half Life has to offer. Those things are great. It has some good mods, but granted, none as popular as Half Life has. While I wasn't a big fan of the twitch, fast paced gameplay of Unreal Tournament, I can definitely see why people would continue playing.
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Mar 26 2004, 01:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Mar 26 2004, 01:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> there is no comparrison, i have no idea why people even vote UT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Drugs can do terrible things <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can definitely see why people would continue playing<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i dont, its like seing whos the spaziest of all the spazo's, its ****. just like the special olympics, even if you win, youre still retarded / just another spaz ****.
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Mar 26 2004, 02:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Mar 26 2004, 02:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can definitely see why people would continue playing<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i dont, its like seing whos the spaziest of all the spazo's, its ****. just like the special olympics, even if you win, youre still retarded / just another spaz ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So it's not your type of game. That's fine, I understand that. I don't like it either: I don't like Quake or any derivative of the fast paced twitch game. But that doesn't mean that it's junk... just that it's not for me. Not everyone likes the same kind of game.
I see the smart part of the world is noticing this silly fanboy tournament! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yay they mention NS in the opinion thingys <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Mar 26 2004, 01:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Mar 26 2004, 01:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, the Unreal Tournament bots completely trash anything Half Life has to offer. Those things are great. It has some good mods, but granted, none as popular as Half Life has. While I wasn't a big fan of the twitch, fast paced gameplay of Unreal Tournament, I can definitely see why people would continue playing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Think about that for a second. Thats like saying a F-18 is better than the Wright Brothers plane.
It's all preference. Half-life singleplayer may have seemed awesome back in the day, but I retried it a few weeks ago to reminisce and it reminded me of those adventure atractions in a themepark. They're awesome the first time, but the second time you start to note the errors and stuff. Multiplayer HL was only so-so. The only really redeeming value are it's mods IMO.
UT... It has a pretty large fanbase as well. No story in singleplayer mode whatsoever, but the replayability of the bot shootouts are much better than half-life's singleplayer mode, without getting as whacky arcadelike as quake3. Doesn't have as many mods as Half-life, but my favorite mod of all time is based off of it, namely Thievery UT, a multiplayer mod in the style of the Thief games (and of which Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow has jacked alot of gameplay (There's just too much coincidence to not think that).
I was still not sure what to vote. I mean, this is a bit of a weird match up. I would've rather expected Quake3 VS UT and Duke3D vs. Half-Life, since these games are so different in concept. So I sat there thinking... and then it hit me... HalfLife spawned CounterStrike... and with a swift click I voted for UT.
<!--QuoteBegin-OttoDestruct+Mar 26 2004, 09:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OttoDestruct @ Mar 26 2004, 09:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Think about that for a second. Thats like saying a F-18 is better than the Wright Brothers plane. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh...?
<!--QuoteBegin--Lurker-+Mar 26 2004, 09:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lurker- @ Mar 26 2004, 09:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> HalfLife spawned CounterStrike... and with a swift click I voted for UT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> which spawned NS as well as a large host of other teamplay mods/games.
<!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Mar 26 2004, 11:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Mar 26 2004, 11:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lurker-+Mar 26 2004, 09:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lurker- @ Mar 26 2004, 09:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> HalfLife spawned CounterStrike... and with a swift click I voted for UT. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> which spawned NS as well as a large host of other teamplay mods/games. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So did UT.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->QUOTE (Umbraed Monkey @ Mar 26 2004, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (-Lurker- @ Mar 26 2004, 09:24 AM) HalfLife spawned CounterStrike... and with a swift click I voted for UT.
which spawned NS as well as a large host of other teamplay mods/games.
So did UT. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How many people are still playing UT1 online?
Hmm now see how many are still playing HLDM.
Now get a better taste in games <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
PS the only thing that ruined counter-strike was the community, it was a great game in essence and I used to really like it. But the mentality of I have to get more kills than anyone else ruined it and produced a wave of hackers, UT does nothing but fuel this kind of behavior if you ask me.
<!--QuoteBegin--Lurker-+Mar 26 2004, 02:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lurker- @ Mar 26 2004, 02:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Mar 26 2004, 11:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Mar 26 2004, 11:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lurker-+Mar 26 2004, 09:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lurker- @ Mar 26 2004, 09:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> HalfLife spawned CounterStrike... and with a swift click I voted for UT. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> which spawned NS as well as a large host of other teamplay mods/games. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So did UT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Which came first? The UT teamplay mods, or the HL teamplay mods?
Anywho, Its going to be hard to argue for UT on a board for an HL mod <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Lurker-+Mar 26 2004, 02:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lurker- @ Mar 26 2004, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whatever. I think this whole lineup is wrong anyway. It's like placing a soccer team versus a basketball team and let them play cricket. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. :/
<!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Mar 26 2004, 02:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Mar 26 2004, 02:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lurker-+Mar 26 2004, 02:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lurker- @ Mar 26 2004, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whatever. I think this whole lineup is wrong anyway. It's like placing a soccer team versus a basketball team and let them play cricket. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. :/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good thing HL kicks **** at cricket.
Yeah, most of the people in the thread have been talking about HL <i>mods</i>... it's pretty obvious that they aren't lumping HL and all it's spawn into one big entry, as CounterStrike is also in the polls.
So... plain HL vs. plain UT = UT win. (very adaptable multiplayer, even stock. mutators, instagib, etc.)
UT just like Quake = He who can expand most ammo in shortest amount of time wins the fight. The pace of UT was all wrong, models move too fast in relation to projectiles.
HL was a groundbreaking game that set the benchmark for the rest of the FPS world, and anyone who says HL multiplayer was weak did not play it long enough. It was one of the first FPS multiplayer games to focus on skills like aim and map/ weapon knowledge. In HLDM you can defeat anyone using the pistol, that includes people armed with much heavier weapons. Furthermore HL used realist maps, not huge Gothic buildings with 500 foot archers or endless rungs of platforms. HL had a far more immersive multiplayer than UT.
Very very hard choice, I love both of them very much. But I vote for UT because it's second. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-GreyPaws+Mar 26 2004, 03:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GreyPaws @ Mar 26 2004, 03:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> UT just like Quake = He who can expand most ammo in shortest amount of time wins the fight. The pace of UT was all wrong, models move too fast in relation to projectiles.
HL was a groundbreaking game that set the benchmark for the rest of the FPS world, and anyone who says HL multiplayer was weak did not play it long enough. It was one of the first FPS multiplayer games to focus on skills like aim and map/ weapon knowledge. In HLDM you can defeat anyone using the pistol, that includes people armed with much heavier weapons. Furthermore HL used realist maps, not huge Gothic buildings with 500 foot archers or endless rungs of platforms. HL had a far more immersive multiplayer than UT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I can spew out all the ammo i want, but if i can't lag-shoot the rockets and aim with the other guns them i'm outta luck...
And since when did realism make a game any better or worse/more or less fun?
Okay, comparing vanilla each, I still vote Half-Life... UT is a great game. I played it a lot when the discs I owned weren't trashed, and I had a lot of fun with it. However, I just can't compare games that depend soely on multiplayer to games that have single-player, and especially Half-Life's. I just played through the Half-Life single player again, and I loved it... Again... I mean, the story takes place from your 1st person. You can't factor in Deus Ex, it's an RPG/FPS hybrid. It's like saying that the Final Fantasy VII story is better than Half-Life's... Duh, of course it is. But do you feel like you're actually the character in Deus Ex or Final Fantasy VII? No, but you definentley feel like the main character in Half-Life. It's just the fact that you're NEVER anyone else that makes that game awesome.
P.S. Most awesome part - You're in a vent, creeping along, juts as you always do. You hear some radio commands, nothing out of the ordinary, but this time, the soldiers shoot at the vent, the bullets pierce it for a couple of seconds before it just crumbles and lets you fight 'em. My God, that part owns. Via scritping, you see the light rays coming from where they shot... Awesome...
And UT was better in just about every way. If you were voting for best MOD, I'd still vote UT because it had Neo Cairo / Orbit Wars, one of the most ambitious mods I'd seen that put mechs, arial assault gunships, etc. into UT 1.
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Don't tempt me! I <b>do not</b> have class tomorrow!
on the other side of the ring, half life is the GREATEST game ever, as you are still playing it 10 years after its release, take part in its amazing communities and mod mod mod mod mod like mad.
there is no comparrison, i have no idea why people even vote UT.
Drugs can do terrible things <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i dont, its like seing whos the spaziest of all the spazo's, its ****. just like the special olympics, even if you win, youre still retarded / just another spaz ****.
i dont, its like seing whos the spaziest of all the spazo's, its ****. just like the special olympics, even if you win, youre still retarded / just another spaz ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So it's not your type of game. That's fine, I understand that. I don't like it either: I don't like Quake or any derivative of the fast paced twitch game. But that doesn't mean that it's junk... just that it's not for me. Not everyone likes the same kind of game.
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I see the smart part of the world is noticing this silly fanboy tournament! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
HL has a much better singleplayer than UT
UT has a much better multiplayer than standard HL
However HL wins <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
EDIT - if you think this "fight" is close look at <a href='http://archive.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0213.shtml' target='_blank'>this</a>
Think about that for a second. Thats like saying a F-18 is better than the Wright Brothers plane.
UT... It has a pretty large fanbase as well. No story in singleplayer mode whatsoever, but the replayability of the bot shootouts are much better than half-life's singleplayer mode, without getting as whacky arcadelike as quake3. Doesn't have as many mods as Half-life, but my favorite mod of all time is based off of it, namely Thievery UT, a multiplayer mod in the style of the Thief games (and of which Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow has jacked alot of gameplay (There's just too much coincidence to not think that).
I was still not sure what to vote. I mean, this is a bit of a weird match up. I would've rather expected Quake3 VS UT and Duke3D vs. Half-Life, since these games are so different in concept. So I sat there thinking... and then it hit me... HalfLife spawned CounterStrike... and with a swift click I voted for UT.
Go UT!
Uh...?
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which spawned NS as well as a large host of other teamplay mods/games.
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which spawned NS as well as a large host of other teamplay mods/games. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So did UT.
QUOTE (-Lurker- @ Mar 26 2004, 09:24 AM)
HalfLife spawned CounterStrike... and with a swift click I voted for UT.
which spawned NS as well as a large host of other teamplay mods/games.
So did UT. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How many people are still playing UT1 online?
Hmm now see how many are still playing HLDM.
Now get a better taste in games <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
PS the only thing that ruined counter-strike was the community, it was a great game in essence and I used to really like it. But the mentality of I have to get more kills than anyone else ruined it and produced a wave of hackers, UT does nothing but fuel this kind of behavior if you ask me.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
which spawned NS as well as a large host of other teamplay mods/games. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So did UT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which came first? The UT teamplay mods, or the HL teamplay mods?
Anywho, Its going to be hard to argue for UT on a board for an HL mod <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: By the way, if half life's community is so much bigger, then how come the poll has been pretty much neck by neck all the time?
Agreed. :/
Agreed. :/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good thing HL kicks **** at cricket.
So... plain HL vs. plain UT = UT win. (very adaptable multiplayer, even stock. mutators, instagib, etc.)
HL was a groundbreaking game that set the benchmark for the rest of the FPS world, and anyone who says HL multiplayer was weak did not play it long enough. It was one of the first FPS multiplayer games to focus on skills like aim and map/ weapon knowledge. In HLDM you can defeat anyone using the pistol, that includes people armed with much heavier weapons. Furthermore HL used realist maps, not huge Gothic buildings with 500 foot archers or endless rungs of platforms. HL had a far more immersive multiplayer than UT.
HL was a groundbreaking game that set the benchmark for the rest of the FPS world, and anyone who says HL multiplayer was weak did not play it long enough. It was one of the first FPS multiplayer games to focus on skills like aim and map/ weapon knowledge. In HLDM you can defeat anyone using the pistol, that includes people armed with much heavier weapons. Furthermore HL used realist maps, not huge Gothic buildings with 500 foot archers or endless rungs of platforms. HL had a far more immersive multiplayer than UT. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can spew out all the ammo i want, but if i can't lag-shoot the rockets and aim with the other guns them i'm outta luck...
And since when did realism make a game any better or worse/more or less fun?
UT is a great game. I played it a lot when the discs I owned weren't trashed, and I had a lot of fun with it. However, I just can't compare games that depend soely on multiplayer to games that have single-player, and especially Half-Life's. I just played through the Half-Life single player again, and I loved it... Again... I mean, the story takes place from your 1st person. You can't factor in Deus Ex, it's an RPG/FPS hybrid. It's like saying that the Final Fantasy VII story is better than Half-Life's... Duh, of course it is. But do you feel like you're actually the character in Deus Ex or Final Fantasy VII? No, but you definentley feel like the main character in Half-Life. It's just the fact that you're NEVER anyone else that makes that game awesome.
P.S. Most awesome part - You're in a vent, creeping along, juts as you always do. You hear some radio commands, nothing out of the ordinary, but this time, the soldiers shoot at the vent, the bullets pierce it for a couple of seconds before it just crumbles and lets you fight 'em. My God, that part owns. Via scritping, you see the light rays coming from where they shot... Awesome...
[EDIT]P.P.S. UT2k4 is just naked ownage.
Not Counter-Strike vs Unreal Tournament.
Not Natural-Selection vs. Unreal Tournament.
Not Day of Defeat vs. Unreal Tournament.
It was Half-Life vs. Unreal Tournament.
And UT was better in just about every way. If you were voting for best MOD, I'd still vote UT because it had Neo Cairo / Orbit Wars, one of the most ambitious mods I'd seen that put mechs, arial assault gunships, etc. into UT 1.