Nanites Gone Wild - A Theoretical Discussion
RobB
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<div class="IPBDescription">or: a side note for flayra</div> === this bases upon the ignoring of the second rule of physic: energy isn't 100% convertible to another energy (remember, it's ignored!!) ===
please read it to the end if you wanna reply.
You all know that storys out of the manual of NS 1.04, where the Nanobots gone wild. (If not, go and read it, recruit! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
If you are to lazy to search, I will tell you here in a little short.
If you know them already, go search for the next <span style='color:yellow'>====</span> in this post.
Ok, listen up:
In the dark age of the Nanite area, there where major problems with the Nano Systems.
Some of the cruelst are, that Nanos without a stop system will build and build and build in no end. This happened several times, and the human settlers / scientist could only choose to evacuate, or die - because the nanites would use any atom they can find. this means, that the nanites are destructing anything from human over animals to buildings and even dirt to form new bots out of it.
Until, yes, until the planet's crust becomes so unstable, that the hot magma core would leak and burn everything away - some think, this triggers the emergency halt code of the nanites.
but they could use the hot, liquid magma core as energy source....
<span style='color:yellow'>====</span>
So, here comes now the discussion.
Isn't it possible, that the nanos could evolve some kind of intellegence?
I mean, c'mon, there is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge count of atomic entitys - and they are battleing against each other for their some-kind-of "life".
so why there isn't the chance, that at least one bot starts to rework it-self to gain an advantage over it's brothers? ok, it's weird, that a thing, build up out of a few atoms, can suddenly gain an intellect, but some scientists think, that we, too, are out of an accident are as we are now...
and: the battle of life (-to be the strongest-) is called also evolution...
so... one bot could change by accident... when it is one bot, why not more... when all bots could change... omg.
I hope you understand my thoughts.
And, when Flay ever adds another race into ns, i think it should be the evolved nano bots. I know, the chances for that are actually veeeeeeeerrrrrrryy weak, so
this <b><u><span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>isn't a suggestion</b></u></span></span>.
it's only a stimulus to thing about. it's a side note.
or, as the topic says, it's an impulse to discuss about.
thank you. *dodges flying tomatoes and rotten eggs*
please excuse my bad english, I'm limited in my vocabulary and hope, this is still understandable.
What do YOU think about it?
Yes, YOU, who is reading this here. I wanna hear -eh- read what you think of this, and, PLEASE, no "0mg y0u 4r3 m4d" replys, thank you.
please read it to the end if you wanna reply.
You all know that storys out of the manual of NS 1.04, where the Nanobots gone wild. (If not, go and read it, recruit! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
If you are to lazy to search, I will tell you here in a little short.
If you know them already, go search for the next <span style='color:yellow'>====</span> in this post.
Ok, listen up:
In the dark age of the Nanite area, there where major problems with the Nano Systems.
Some of the cruelst are, that Nanos without a stop system will build and build and build in no end. This happened several times, and the human settlers / scientist could only choose to evacuate, or die - because the nanites would use any atom they can find. this means, that the nanites are destructing anything from human over animals to buildings and even dirt to form new bots out of it.
Until, yes, until the planet's crust becomes so unstable, that the hot magma core would leak and burn everything away - some think, this triggers the emergency halt code of the nanites.
but they could use the hot, liquid magma core as energy source....
<span style='color:yellow'>====</span>
So, here comes now the discussion.
Isn't it possible, that the nanos could evolve some kind of intellegence?
I mean, c'mon, there is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge count of atomic entitys - and they are battleing against each other for their some-kind-of "life".
so why there isn't the chance, that at least one bot starts to rework it-self to gain an advantage over it's brothers? ok, it's weird, that a thing, build up out of a few atoms, can suddenly gain an intellect, but some scientists think, that we, too, are out of an accident are as we are now...
and: the battle of life (-to be the strongest-) is called also evolution...
so... one bot could change by accident... when it is one bot, why not more... when all bots could change... omg.
I hope you understand my thoughts.
And, when Flay ever adds another race into ns, i think it should be the evolved nano bots. I know, the chances for that are actually veeeeeeeerrrrrrryy weak, so
this <b><u><span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>isn't a suggestion</b></u></span></span>.
it's only a stimulus to thing about. it's a side note.
or, as the topic says, it's an impulse to discuss about.
thank you. *dodges flying tomatoes and rotten eggs*
please excuse my bad english, I'm limited in my vocabulary and hope, this is still understandable.
What do YOU think about it?
Yes, YOU, who is reading this here. I wanna hear -eh- read what you think of this, and, PLEASE, no "0mg y0u 4r3 m4d" replys, thank you.
Comments
<span style='color:white'>Oh yeah? Well, <i>you</i> are tempbanned.</span>
(Wow. two posts and already begging for nukage of the same two, once more confirming mt theory that the general forums are a cesspool for ... eh, there's no good way of saying it <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
While you obviously spend your time reading backstories and writing pointless flames when you could be playing the game at hand. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif' /><!--endemo-->
for the information: its here 2 a clock am and i have insomnia.
but my parents are asleep and when im going to play now, the noise of my keys would wake them up - and, excuse me, i wanne avoid this terror, thank you.
while writing this i got tired... but still not enough to go to bed.
Maybe if the nanites were programmed to improve on themselves, then yes, I suppose something quirky that intelligence could develope.
In other news, does this really belong in General Discussion?
But yeah, if nanites were programed to improve themselves, then they would eventually evolve inteligence.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66411' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=66411</a>
And it's all fun stuff. Read Prey by Michael Crichton - it's exactly about nanites gone wrong.
EDIT: And on the physics note... ALL energy is conserved, unless converted to mass. The waste energy you're talking about is heat. When energy leaves a system by friction, it leaves as HEAT. I can't think of a time where this isn't true.
Being nanites, I'm sure they can convert heat into energy usable by themselves. And once they evolve... they could become 100% efficient.
But this blows my mind... maybe they couldn't and got to say 90% efficiency.
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Assuming life is merely a highly organized interaction between chemical reactions of an organisms molecules, then yes, it is possible. It very much depend on how the nanites are constructed and will require some very specific conditions to be met though.
Life as we know it require molecules with a broad spectrum of chemical properties (such as coal). As the nanites would only be "programmed" to copy themselves, they would not be able to replace certain molecules with other molecules. There is a hard cap on how many nanites could be constructed (whenever a required element is fully "consumed"). If the original nanite does not contain an appropriate element (and even then, it would require quite a lot of luck), it's *highly* unlikely that you'll see any form of life.
But, if you want, you could view us as replicating nanites. Originally, we started out as a bunch of chemicals (either underground or as an organic soup in an ocean). Add energy (heat from the core, sun or lightning) and voila; a living cell. Or, if you will, a biological nanite programmed to replicate itself. Once in a while, a random event would result in a change (for better or worse) which would give one cell an advantage over the other, thus making that cell replicate faster and replace the old. Then, at some point, one cell figured out that things would be easier if there's two of us working togheter and so on, and that's pretty much "Life 101".
Apart from purely chemical reasons (which varies depending on the original nanites composition), I see no particular reason why this could not be applied to nanites. As long as you're willing to wait a while, that is.
However, when you mix in life and intelligence and all that, you get a lot of conflicting views. Science is not quite sure how all this goes, and I'm not even going to mentioned religion and philosophy. Now there's a can of worms I'm not even going to touch.
Typed fast. Spelled wrong (probably).
Nanites replicate.
Nanites chew through planet.
Nanites, having gathered all available resources, looks back to programming.
Gather minerals.
All minerals gathered.
More mineral sources?
Other planets.
Nanites Spread.
Nanitic sentience needent evolve at all for nanites gone mad to be a threat. However, Nanitic sentience would make the enemy all the more insidious.
Nanites replicate.
Nanites chew through planet.
Nanites, having gathered all available resources, looks back to programming.
Gather minerals.
All minerals gathered.
More mineral sources?
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Other planets.
Nanites Spread.
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Nanitic sentience needent evolve at all for nanites gone mad to be a threat. However, Nanitic sentience would make the enemy all the more insidious. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
asuming an planetary system like ours, these nanites wouldn't be able to travel through space.
a) background radiation
b) solar winds (aka particle streams)
would set them of course or destroy them.
when one or two are able to go through the big emptyness between two planets,
their size would probably be a problem.
An atome would surely be on a journey for several years, not to say centurys.