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<div class="IPBDescription">Battlefield: Vietnam, or UT2k4</div> Well, I bought both of these on the same day. They both kick ****. But, I've finally come to a choice as to which one is better(and it didn't take that long to decide).
Unreal Tournament 2004, is hands down, better in every way.
It can handle more polygons, and has better graphics, than Battlefield Vietnam, altogether. One problem I found with vietnam was, is despite my GFX card, it was SO processor intensive, that anyone at 2.0ghz or below could run the game only at 5 fps, despite Video card. Even in the city areas, where there wasn't much foliage. Which, is a lot of BS. So, engine wise, this one goes to Unreal Tournament.
Then, were on to Sound. And while Battlefield: Vietnam sounds good and all, there is nothing like hearing a guy scream after having his leg shot off, bones hitting the ground after flying through the air, only to have the husk of a Hellbender(aka "The Only Kind of Humvee that kicks ****" land on it just to make sure he's dead, all the sounds unique, and wonderful. The best sound BF:V has? Its Magnum sound. The problem with that? Its the only one that doesn't sound TOTALLY stolen from old mod Eve of Destruction, or doesn't sound like a "You hear it everywhere" sound.
Then, there is the area of controls. BF:V has buttons up the ying yang. UT2k4 does not. The difference? BF:V has more uptions of what to do with vehicles and the such. The problem? UT2k4 is very simple and straightforward, not NEEDING to have hundreds of different buttons for things that barely change the game.
Now, to Soundtracks. Now, I like 60s music, don't get me wrong. But BF:V only has a few songs that I actually like (Fortunate Son, War, that [TheBirdie'sawierdo] one, and Flight of the Valkaries[which wasn't even a 60s song). The rest are generally either no-name songs, or just plain crappy songs(And I'll say it again: There were a LOT of good bands out there. They could've gotten a bit better without trying). UT2k4? No liscensed music, but I swear, there isn't one song I've heard thus far that I don't like. Their all great- some just hard rock, some death metal(which, I'm not too big a fan of, but this sounded great), some techno, some orchestral, just tons of genres, and all of them done PERFECTLY. Great songs. Another one to UT2k4.
Better game modes. Now, lets see. BF:V, has CTF, TDM, and most popularly, Conquest and Evolution(a new mode, where battles go in a special order, historically accurate, where at the end of it all, it tells you if you changed history and america won the war or not- very cool). UT2k4 has DM, TDM, CTF, Bombing Run, Double Domination, Assault, and Onslaught. Every last one is TONS of fun- and easily much better than its BF:V counterpart(Onslaught and Conquest/Evolution are basically the same thing, but Onslaught is much more concentrated, and thus bigger, more crazy battles). BF:V wasn't even MADE for CTF or TDM, so those are automatically shot down. UT2k4 wins again.
And finally: Which is just more fun. This is obvious after playing a while: UT2k4. Its players are smarter, more skilled, and more respectable on the whole. BF players are rather...well, lets say "12 Year Old CS fan" doesn't even BEGIN to say how bad it is. Along with all these other elements, it just proves that UT2k4 has everything going for it. Maybe if BF:V was more polished, we would have a better time(and notice that I AM discluding Singleplayer from my stuff, being they both have it, in which case, UT2k4 would TOTALLY kick the living crap out of BF:V). I reccomend EVERYONE on these forums get UT2k4- it kicks ****. BF:V is lots of fun too, but no where near as cool as UT2k4.
And for anyone I offended: Be lucky I don't own a flak cannon.
Unreal Tournament 2004, is hands down, better in every way.
It can handle more polygons, and has better graphics, than Battlefield Vietnam, altogether. One problem I found with vietnam was, is despite my GFX card, it was SO processor intensive, that anyone at 2.0ghz or below could run the game only at 5 fps, despite Video card. Even in the city areas, where there wasn't much foliage. Which, is a lot of BS. So, engine wise, this one goes to Unreal Tournament.
Then, were on to Sound. And while Battlefield: Vietnam sounds good and all, there is nothing like hearing a guy scream after having his leg shot off, bones hitting the ground after flying through the air, only to have the husk of a Hellbender(aka "The Only Kind of Humvee that kicks ****" land on it just to make sure he's dead, all the sounds unique, and wonderful. The best sound BF:V has? Its Magnum sound. The problem with that? Its the only one that doesn't sound TOTALLY stolen from old mod Eve of Destruction, or doesn't sound like a "You hear it everywhere" sound.
Then, there is the area of controls. BF:V has buttons up the ying yang. UT2k4 does not. The difference? BF:V has more uptions of what to do with vehicles and the such. The problem? UT2k4 is very simple and straightforward, not NEEDING to have hundreds of different buttons for things that barely change the game.
Now, to Soundtracks. Now, I like 60s music, don't get me wrong. But BF:V only has a few songs that I actually like (Fortunate Son, War, that [TheBirdie'sawierdo] one, and Flight of the Valkaries[which wasn't even a 60s song). The rest are generally either no-name songs, or just plain crappy songs(And I'll say it again: There were a LOT of good bands out there. They could've gotten a bit better without trying). UT2k4? No liscensed music, but I swear, there isn't one song I've heard thus far that I don't like. Their all great- some just hard rock, some death metal(which, I'm not too big a fan of, but this sounded great), some techno, some orchestral, just tons of genres, and all of them done PERFECTLY. Great songs. Another one to UT2k4.
Better game modes. Now, lets see. BF:V, has CTF, TDM, and most popularly, Conquest and Evolution(a new mode, where battles go in a special order, historically accurate, where at the end of it all, it tells you if you changed history and america won the war or not- very cool). UT2k4 has DM, TDM, CTF, Bombing Run, Double Domination, Assault, and Onslaught. Every last one is TONS of fun- and easily much better than its BF:V counterpart(Onslaught and Conquest/Evolution are basically the same thing, but Onslaught is much more concentrated, and thus bigger, more crazy battles). BF:V wasn't even MADE for CTF or TDM, so those are automatically shot down. UT2k4 wins again.
And finally: Which is just more fun. This is obvious after playing a while: UT2k4. Its players are smarter, more skilled, and more respectable on the whole. BF players are rather...well, lets say "12 Year Old CS fan" doesn't even BEGIN to say how bad it is. Along with all these other elements, it just proves that UT2k4 has everything going for it. Maybe if BF:V was more polished, we would have a better time(and notice that I AM discluding Singleplayer from my stuff, being they both have it, in which case, UT2k4 would TOTALLY kick the living crap out of BF:V). I reccomend EVERYONE on these forums get UT2k4- it kicks ****. BF:V is lots of fun too, but no where near as cool as UT2k4.
And for anyone I offended: Be lucky I don't own a flak cannon.
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Easily my favorite soundtrack from a game, in the last 5 years. There's nothing quite like blasting The Bobby Fuller Four from your Cobra as you spray down some NVA with the miniguns. I'm a hippy/classic rock fiend, so I'm somewhat biased in that respect, but I <i>love</i> it. In addition to the PA system on some maps, which adds another cool little sound piece to the atmosphere of the era.
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2. My FPS sucks even more(might be the reason of #1)
Should I still get ut2k4?
2. My FPS sucks even more(might be the reason of #1)
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Well, first off, I'd turn on "Software Mode". That may help/fix the problem if your computer truly sucks ****(sorry). But otherwise, I'd just lower a lot of settings. And believe me- if you can't run UT2k4, you DEFINATELY cannot run BF: V.
2. My FPS sucks even more(might be the reason of #1)
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Well, first off, I'd turn on "Software Mode". That may help/fix the problem if your computer truly sucks ****(sorry). But otherwise, I'd just lower a lot of settings. And believe me- if you can't run UT2k4, you DEFINATELY cannot run BF: V. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i agree, even the combat in the battle fields feel, i dont know how to say it distant..., in ns, cs and unreal 2004, you just feel like your in it, bombs going off, sounds in the back ground, the feel of the weapons, but battle field just feels like its an animation going off, no loud sounds and no kick on the guns... do the battle fields seem a lil arcadish to you guys too?(not visceral)
2. My FPS sucks even more(might be the reason of #1)
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Oh yes. My fps is very bad atm. About 20 average but it's still funz0.
btw, you mentioned fortunate son, as in the CCR song? (sweet!, I am a big CCR Fan <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
For those who have played BF and BF:V, how do they compare?
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Unreal 2004 is an awesome game. I've spent many hours playing the game already. And I actually bought it, and I don't really buy that much games. Epic simply rocks. They give NATIVE linux support in their games, and that fact alone is enough to make me buy their every game. It's a shame that there aren't that many godlike people in the world making games such as the people at Epic...
Oh and Unreal Tournament's have quite cool OST's. Chemical-Burn from the UT2003 OST is quite cool song imho.
We always played with sorta screwy teamwork...
aka:
one person takes each job (cap x point, cap y point, our pilot etc <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
"Bugger, Ninja, clear that airfield for me?" *boom* *boom* *boom*
etc <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I guess I am gone have to find a firend with it and try it out at somepoint..
That's the main reason I went BF:V over UT2k4.
"Get some! Comon.... getsome getsome!"
"IF THEY RUN THEY KNOW THEY'VE BEEN SPOTTED!" "IF THEY HOLD STILL THEY PROBLEY A NOOB!"
Farcry is a worthless piece of crap if you have a "Geforce" type card. And even without, the aiming system is just terrible.
UT gets my vote because even though its vehicles are completely ripped-off from Halo it's quite fun.
My real vote goes to Halo PC MP, as long as the weapon set is Classic so you don't have PC version nubcaeks "p'zwning" you with the perfectly and completely unbalanced fuel rod gun.
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So really I'll stick with BF:V. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to crawl around in some undergrowth.
(Oh and did I mention BF:V has a really easy to use map editor?)
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You're a terrible critic... FarCry is easilly one of the best FPS games I've ever played. UT2k4 good? Okay, it's good. Good compared to it's predecesors? Compared to them it's total crap. If you've never played UT or god forbid, Ut2k3, then sure, go for UT4, but if you have, you'll see it for the uninspired, cloned, ugly POS it is.
Not to mention, farcry hasn't been optimized AT ALL for GeForce machines. Its almost unplayable on any setting but the lowest, because of mouse-induced lag(aka, you move mouse, it doesn't move for half a second). Then there is the little aiming situation in Far Cry, which I'm wondering what monkey thought up. My god, you can't hit anything unless your using the frickin M5 or prone! And the sniper rifle? It can't hit anything PERIOD! Oh, then theres the fact that sometimes you can hide behind a plant, where the red from the shirt your wearing is totally obvious, but they don't see you, but then, when your inside a shack with no windows, they can see you from HALF A FRICKIN MILE AWAY, SNIPE AT YOU WITH THEIR M4, AND CALL IN THEIR HELICOPTER. Now, another thing: No frickin idiot would EVER call in a helicopter for 1 guy after he's killed one person. I'd say that they would call in for a copter if he's the last guy around. MAYBE then.
I'm sorry, Far Cry is a overrated piece of crap. UT2k4 has gained BACK the grittyness of UT(just play most of the other maps[there is one snow map that isn't too gritty]. Not to mention, its pretty gritty in the CTF and others. I think you didn't like it just because you don't like arcadish games, which ALL of them were since UT(yeah, UT was arcadish too. If you dont' think so, I'm sorry, but your a idiot. Its not realistic by any means, and doesn't try to be.)
Farcry is a worthless piece of crap if you have a "Geforce" type card. And even without, the aiming system is just terrible.
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Runs fine with my gf3 (athlon xp 2000+, 768 mb ram). Medium or High details on everything. This leads me to believe that your problem is elsewhere. But alas, it makes no sense to compare a singleplayer game to a multiplayer game. So I'll skip it completely. But rest assured that Far Cry is the best singleplayer FPS since Half-life. There simply is no contest. Every level offers something new, be it jungle guerilla warfare, mad car chases, or genuinely entertaining assaults on various locations (one certain pier fight really springs to mind. I can play it over again and again).
And I've not even mentioned the 'third power' which is introduced 1/4th into the game. Imagine running through a jungle at nighttime, fleeing from things that are as deadly as things come. The game is a blast, and worth every penny. Unquestionably.
Oh and, as for the following quote:
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Now, another thing: No frickin idiot would EVER call in a helicopter for 1 guy after he's killed one person. I'd say that they would call in for a copter if he's the last guy around.
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While I can somewhat understand your logic behind this*, I find it blindingly obvious that you haven't actually played the full game, because it's not just '1 guy'. The situation is much more complex. There is nothing else to add to this. It does however lead me to believe that your review of the game isn't completely fair. But enough about that. On to the topic at hand!
I bought Ut2k4 and BF:Nam the same day, and after having played both for several hours, there is simply no question which one I prefer. Ut2k4. The reasons are many, but I'll outline them here. First off, Ut2k4 is certainly the more polished experience. It's almost bugfree, and balanced very well. BF: Nam however, suffers from a plethora of bugs, and balance issues which really should have been corrected by now. They aren't. The m60 dominates the game completely, and it's not actually possible to hide in the grass as it dissapears 30 meters in front of you. Not to mention the fact that I actually had to edit several config files before the game would even stop lagging. Completely unacceptable.
But it's not just that. Unreal Tournament 2004 feels much more varied, and it really helps that every single gamemode is insanely entertaining. Want to play a game of DM? Well, Ut2k4 is unquestionably the best experience out there, when it comes to that. Want a round of Assault? While many games have tried to replicate the original assault mode, none of them have ever gotten close. Except for this game, which is just as entertaining as the original. Capture the Flag? Facing Worlds, need I say more? And I've not even mentioned the amazing Onslaught mode, or the god sent Invasion mode.
Whereas bf:nam feels incredibly restricted when it comes to gamemodes. Conquest is, if you're able to look past the team- and balance issues, a blast, and evolution is relatively entertaining, whereas the rest really isn't worth playing.
The key-word I believe, is FUN. Unreal Tournament is simply the experience I find more FUN. And while BF:Nam might sell better being an authentic wargame, I know which FPS game I will be playing in 6 months (apart from possibly Half-Life 2, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and Doom 3).
That said, I don't think bf:nam is a bad game. After a patch or two, after having allowed it to mature, it might even be an awesome game, allround. This doesn't change the fact that I'm slightly dissapointed by it, nor the fact that such a release is completely unacceptable.
*<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>They usually call for helicopters as soon as they see you, actually. Naturally that's irrelevant.</span>
Farcry is a worthless piece of crap if you have a "Geforce" type card. And even without, the aiming system is just terrible.
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Runs fine with my gf3 (athlon xp 2000+, 768 mb ram). Medium or High details on everything. This leads me to believe that your problem is elsewhere. But alas, it makes no sense to compare a singleplayer game to a multiplayer game. So I'll skip it completely. But rest assured that Far Cry is the best singleplayer FPS since Half-life. There simply is no contest. Every level offers something new, be it jungle guerilla warfare, mad car chases, or genuinely entertaining assaults on various locations (one certain pier fight really springs to mind. I can play it over again and again).
And I've not even mentioned the 'third power' which is introduced 1/4th into the game. Imagine running through a jungle at nighttime, fleeing from things that are as deadly as things come. The game is a blast, and worth every penny. Unquestionably.
Oh and, as for the following quote:
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Now, another thing: No frickin idiot would EVER call in a helicopter for 1 guy after he's killed one person. I'd say that they would call in for a copter if he's the last guy around.
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While I can somewhat understand your logic behind this*, I find it blindingly obvious that you haven't actually played the full game, because it's not just '1 guy'. The situation is much more complex. There is nothing else to add to this. It does however lead me to believe that your review of the game isn't completely fair. But enough about that. On to the topic at hand!
I bought Ut2k4 and BF:Nam the same day, and after having played both for several hours, there is simply no question which one I prefer. Ut2k4. The reasons are many, but I'll outline them here. First off, Ut2k4 is certainly the more polished experience. It's almost bugfree, and balanced very well. BF: Nam however, suffers from a plethora of bugs, and balance issues which really should have been corrected by now. They aren't. The m60 dominates the game completely, and it's not actually possible to hide in the grass as it dissapears 30 meters in front of you. Not to mention the fact that I actually had to edit several config files before the game would even stop lagging. Completely unacceptable.
But it's not just that. Unreal Tournament 2004 feels much more varied, and it really helps that every single gamemode is insanely entertaining. Want to play a game of DM? Well, Ut2k4 is unquestionably the best experience out there, when it comes to that. Want a round of Assault? While many games have tried to replicate the original assault mode, none of them have ever gotten close. Except for this game, which is just as entertaining as the original. Capture the Flag? Facing Worlds, need I say more? And I've not even mentioned the amazing Onslaught mode, or the god sent Invasion mode.
Whereas bf:nam feels incredibly restricted when it comes to gamemodes. Conquest is, if you're able to look past the team- and balance issues, a blast, and evolution is relatively entertaining, whereas the rest really isn't worth playing.
The key-word I believe, is FUN. Unreal Tournament is simply the experience I find more FUN. And while BF:Nam might sell better being an authentic wargame, I know which FPS game I will be playing in 6 months (apart from possibly Half-Life 2, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and Doom 3).
That said, I don't think bf:nam is a bad game. After a patch or two, after having allowed it to mature, it might even be an awesome game, allround. This doesn't change the fact that I'm slightly dissapointed by it, nor the fact that such a release is completely unacceptable.
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Sorry Aaargh, I wasn't as specific as I should have been. GeForce FX 5600 256mb version. I know 3 people(1 of which is on these boards) who have the same problem as me with performance. Also, I know about 20 people(at my school) who have the same problem with a GeForceFX 5900 128mb.
And no, I have not played the full game. But with such lackluster demos, what would incite me to play the full version?
slowly scraping the raptor over the roof of a sniper tower and plastering the enemy over the ground is an indeterminably entertaining action.
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unfortauntely, I got bad fps... oh well
Ah, the beauty of mods.
-Is waiting for <a href='http://www.unrealwarfarex.com/redorchestra/index.html' target='_blank'>Red Orchestra v2.0</a>
Ah, the beauty of mods.
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Oh man that looks sweet.
/me drools.
Ah, the beauty of mods.
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Oh man that looks sweet.
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it's one of the best mods out for ut2003, so I naturally have high expectations for it, as well.
Good to finally see some proper physics in a WWII game.