EpidemicDark Force GorgeJoin Date: 2003-06-29Member: 17781Members
edited May 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+May 5 2004, 09:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ May 5 2004, 09:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <span style='color:red'>*NUKED.* Tom's doesn't appreciate bandwidth theft either.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1) Where do they say you cant link an image to, say a board. 2) why should we care? 3) By either you are referring to the incident that has happen by some user on this board uploaded a picture and used you a host while I linked a small graph around 20k - Where is the similiarity except for the fact it both involves bandwidth to a degree
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
If you'd like to discuss it in excruciating detail, epidemic, feel free to PM me. Though I thought it was farily straightforward. Though I should have included a 'be nice' in that nuking... since I'd forgotten, I'll say 'first warning' here; instead of making it a second.
Slightly faster... $200 less... Many interesting features which i may not understand completely yet i'm sure they're good to have... Doesn't have vaccum-cleaner like fan/heat sink on it...
<span style='color:yellow'><b>WINNAR<i>!</i></b></span> In my books, atleast. What ever runs the games i love. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I had a feeling ATi would come out with a great comeback to nVidia's card, using less power and space while maybe having slower performance. I never expected ATi to be defeating nVidia while using less space/power though. Seems to me that nVidia could learn a thing or to from ATi about effciency. Great job keeping the prices down ATi.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Same lesson that Intel could learn from AMD, actually. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Efficiency over brute force.
Been said before, and it'll be said again. nVidia renders like the Pentagon does their budget. They get everything, do it, then throw away everything they didn't need in the first place.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+May 5 2004, 03:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ May 5 2004, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Friendly note from a grumpy admin: Keep it civil, folks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thank you for the friendly reminder...
I was not expecting ATI to be able to keep up with NVidia's latest, let alone take a (questionably) small lead. To me, with the numbers being so close (really, what's 8 frames when the count is 100+?), the two major deciding factors now are price and personal preference.
I sure wish NVidia and ATI would have a good old fashioned price war to entice us...
One thing's for sure though, now is a really good time for competition in the 3D card market, the likes of which we haven't seen since the glory 3Dfx vs NVidia days. And which ever side of the Nvidia vs ATI fence you're sitting on that's good for all of us consumers. :)
Here's a tangent: design scaleability. Is the design of the top ATI card as scaleable as the NVidia offering in the future. I get the feeling that NVidia's solution can be ramped up over the next two years whereas the ATI design is getting near its limits.
<!--QuoteBegin-_Creep_+May 6 2004, 01:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (_Creep_ @ May 6 2004, 01:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here's a tangent: design scaleability. Is the design of the top ATI card as scaleable as the NVidia offering in the future. I get the feeling that NVidia's solution can be ramped up over the next two years whereas the ATI design is getting near its limits. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> that's just the thing though, it seems by all accounts that while nVidia has already switched to a next-gen core, ATi is still busy squeezing performance out of its old line (the R420 is nothing but a souped-up r3xx with some texture compression), so by the time games hit that can actually use the new features, ATi will have come out with a brand-spanking new card that'll eat up the competition.
yeah and nvidia tried to get out of the FX mess as soon as it could <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Seriously, before the FX'es, I would go for nvidia. the 4Ti's were amazing (my current card) and I had a GeForce3 before that died on me. A few of my friends had an 8500 and were not satisfied by it. Things have changed, things might change again. I'm only sceptical about nvidia, but hey who knows, if they surprise us that's that much better for the customer. Wish both the best they can offer, and voila, best of the best no matter what.
TalesinOur own little well of hateJoin Date: 2002-11-08Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
Seems to go in a cycle, actually. nVidia were doing that with their older-generation equipment... but they weren't expecting competition, so were ramping it up slow to sell more cards. When ATi sucker-punched them in the nuts with the R9700 Pro, they panicked and fell apart.
They've pulled their stuff back together, and come back with an answer (actually redesigning the core this time, rather than just duct-taping on more crap). They have a new-silicon core... untested, untried. But it's a good chance that this core was stressed as far as they could take it, to try to blow ATi out of the water. The sad part was, ATi could just scale up their existing stuff to <b>beat</b> it, rather than just come close to matching it.
Obviously, the nVidia core is going to improve as they perfect their production process. But in the meantime, the ATis are faster, and are MUCH more plentiful than the only card that can even give them a decent fight on most fronts.. the '6800 Ultra <b>EXTREME!!!11!</b>' which is a 'golden sample' product, offering very limited quantities, Dustbuster-like noise levels (again) and starving the machine it's placed in, even with a 480W power supply.
The fun part is... ATi's already into developing their next core. Given that it seems to go in a cycle of twos or threes, with one company coming out with a core, and the other ramping up their existing core to compete... nVidia has just had their 'day'. Or more precisely, their three weeks of 'speed king' before the X800 XTPE was announced, and they lost it again. To an old core, ramped up.
I, for one, can hardly wait to see what the NEXT generation of cards is going to look like, when it's ATi's turn to come out with a new core, again. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Yeah, I figured that out. See my P34RSOM3 2x Ninja Edit!
1) Where do they say you cant link an image to, say a board.
2) why should we care?
3) By either you are referring to the incident that has happen by some user on this board uploaded a picture and used you a host while I linked a small graph around 20k - Where is the similiarity except for the fact it both involves bandwidth to a degree
$200 less...
Many interesting features which i may not understand completely yet i'm sure they're good to have...
Doesn't have vaccum-cleaner like fan/heat sink on it...
<span style='color:yellow'><b>WINNAR<i>!</i></b></span>
In my books, atleast. What ever runs the games i love. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Been said before, and it'll be said again. nVidia renders like the Pentagon does their budget. They get everything, do it, then throw away everything they didn't need in the first place.
Thank you for the friendly reminder...
*cough*
my friend was telling me to wait and get this when it comes out?
ive only heard of the x800xt?!!!?!
I was not expecting ATI to be able to keep up with NVidia's latest, let alone take a (questionably) small lead. To me, with the numbers being so close (really, what's 8 frames when the count is 100+?), the two major deciding factors now are price and personal preference.
I sure wish NVidia and ATI would have a good old fashioned price war to entice us...
One thing's for sure though, now is a really good time for competition in the 3D card market, the likes of which we haven't seen since the glory 3Dfx vs NVidia days. And which ever side of the Nvidia vs ATI fence you're sitting on that's good for all of us consumers. :)
that's just the thing though, it seems by all accounts that while nVidia has already switched to a next-gen core, ATi is still busy squeezing performance out of its old line (the R420 is nothing but a souped-up r3xx with some texture compression), so by the time games hit that can actually use the new features, ATi will have come out with a brand-spanking new card that'll eat up the competition.
That's the theory at least.
Seriously, before the FX'es, I would go for nvidia. the 4Ti's were amazing (my current card) and I had a GeForce3 before that died on me. A few of my friends had an 8500 and were not satisfied by it.
Things have changed, things might change again. I'm only sceptical about nvidia, but hey who knows, if they surprise us that's that much better for the customer. Wish both the best they can offer, and voila, best of the best no matter what.
They've pulled their stuff back together, and come back with an answer (actually redesigning the core this time, rather than just duct-taping on more crap). They have a new-silicon core... untested, untried. But it's a good chance that this core was stressed as far as they could take it, to try to blow ATi out of the water.
The sad part was, ATi could just scale up their existing stuff to <b>beat</b> it, rather than just come close to matching it.
Obviously, the nVidia core is going to improve as they perfect their production process. But in the meantime, the ATis are faster, and are MUCH more plentiful than the only card that can even give them a decent fight on most fronts.. the '6800 Ultra <b>EXTREME!!!11!</b>' which is a 'golden sample' product, offering very limited quantities, Dustbuster-like noise levels (again) and starving the machine it's placed in, even with a 480W power supply.
The fun part is... ATi's already into developing their next core. Given that it seems to go in a cycle of twos or threes, with one company coming out with a core, and the other ramping up their existing core to compete... nVidia has just had their 'day'. Or more precisely, their three weeks of 'speed king' before the X800 XTPE was announced, and they lost it again. To an old core, ramped up.
I, for one, can hardly wait to see what the NEXT generation of cards is going to look like, when it's ATi's turn to come out with a new core, again. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I wonder if the next-gen games will be here before the next-gen cards (the ones after this gen)... dam you valve and halflife 2!! whither art thou?!