Router

MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed! Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Need one</div> Ok so were going to need a router so my mums bf's sons computer can acess the internet , and i have no godam idea how the hell they work and how to set one up , does the internet slow down on mine if there downloading something?, will they be able to acess my pc? (cause i just know im gonna get a bloody virus) , help meh!

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  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    edited May 2004
    Well if you look about 3 posts down thier is one called comcast, it has alot of information. If not just ask talsesin he seems to be the resident network expert round here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    edited May 2004
    Go for an SMC Barricade or Netgear, <b>AVOID LINKSYS LIKE THE PLAGUE THEY ARE</b>.
    They're mostly plug and play, though usually you can do more advanced configuration (including putting in your login name and password for the modem, and port-forwarding) through a webpage interface.. they come with instructions, so no worries.

    As to your other questions:
    Yes (it's the same amount of bandwidth, just shared between two machines), depends on how you have it set up (but most likely yes), and only if you're an idiot (and use IE/OE.. er, don't have a virus scanner and software firewall.. but the IE/OE thing too <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->).

    Though most 'home routers' have an internal firewall, if the other user gets a virus, you're in the same 'protected zone' so the virus will jump to your machine if it's network-aware. So run ZoneAlarm, or turn on the integrated WinXP 'connection firewall' and make sure you ALWAYS stay patched up. Both instances will allow you to lock off your machine from the others on the network.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    Well ive got a firewall and they've got norton internet security , but there stupid and will probably have one anyway.

    How does it work , do i plug the internet cable into the router then some sort of lead from the router into my pc? , will the ip adress be the same? , whats this "NAT" thingy about? , so confused....
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    <!--QuoteBegin--+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->sonic[-,May 7 2004, 04:21 AM]Well ive got a firewall and they've got norton internet security , but there stupid and will probably have one anyway.
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    Their usage of a Norton product (much less NIS) of any sort speaks of the endless volumes of their ineptitude quite nicely. I'll see about praying for your hard drive, but I'm not sure even that will save it.
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    How does it work , do i plug the internet cable into the router then some sort of lead from the router into my pc? , will the ip adress be the same? , whats this "NAT" thingy about? , so confused....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Usually if you have DSL, you have a modem somewhere with a CAT5 (category-5) cable leading to the hub, or straight to your computer. You're probably running connection software on your PC to send it your login/password.

    Follow the instructions that come with the 'home router'. Usually it'll tell you to unplug the CAT5 cable going to your computer and plug it into a specific port on the 'home router'. Then plug another CAT5 cable (sometimes included, sometimes not! Careful!) from one of the other ports on the 'home router' into your computer. Then open a browser, put in a certain address, and do the configuration as according to the steps.

    You only need to do this configuration once, as it's configging the 'home router', not anything on your computer. You can go back and look through it again most of the time to fix stuff. Again. READ THE MANUAL. It'll explain very nicely how to deal with it, and that to get the second machine on, you most likely just plug it into another port on the 'home router'.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    Well thar be me modem , is that white thick cable a cat-5 cable?

    Also , is this how a router usually works?
    <img src='http://www.ahavell.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/router.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
  • The_RedeemerThe_Redeemer Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11490Members, Constellation
    edited May 2004
    That's how mine works...
    EDIT: Except one of them is some sort of "Main" PC, which is the same thing. Basically.
  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    That looks (although its blurry) like you are using Cable (the coax television-style cable plugging into your cable modem). Is your cable modem plugged into your computer via a USB cable?

    Give us a bit more information about your current setup, and then we (or Talesin) can advise you on how to make the change.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Fam+May 7 2004, 02:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fam @ May 7 2004, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->That looks (although its blurry) like you are using Cable (the coax television-style cable plugging into your cable modem). Is your cable modem plugged into your computer via a USB cable? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    yeah its plugged in via usb

    <!--QuoteBegin-Fam+May 7 2004, 02:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fam @ May 7 2004, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Give us a bit more information about your current setup, and then we (or Talesin) can advise you on how to make the change.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    what kind of info? , just worried how the heck you set one up , does it slow down stuff like p2p ports and bit torrent? , whats a cat5 cable thingy look like?
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    edited May 2004
    In terms of whether or not it slows down stuff, think of it this way: what happens when you open two downloads at the same time? That's right, it slows down. It's exactly the same thing. If he's downloading something and you're downloading something it's exactly the same as if you're downloading two things. It doesn't make a bit of difference whether it's bittorrent, refreshing a server list in Steam, downloading something, viewing a webpage... what port that's being used doesn't make a difference.

    Forget about port numbers. They just mean which application the data's going to. It's not like your line is split into a number of "ports", each of which is uniform in size, so each app always gets a nice segment of the line. Doesn't work like that.

    [edit]What's a cat5 cable look like?... A bit like a phone cable, only wider.[/edit]
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    And you didn't as me Sonic.

    Draytek 2600. Best of the business. Awesome routers.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    aha , looked in the modem box and low , cat-5 cable! , now does this go from my modem into the router then some more cable into their pc?
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    I think you plug the modem into the router, your computer into the router, and the other guy's computer into the router, all with USB cable. And if there aren't enough slots, then I don't know.

    The way my network's set up is a little different anyway. We've got a machine that acts as a firewall\gateway, that's got two network cards in it (so has two Ethernet ports (cat5 ports)) and two IP addresses. One cat5 goes to the modem, the other goes to the network switch. Our three other computers plug into the switch. So I'm kinda going on that <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    I have no idea what you just said , will have to go to town tomorrow to have a look
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    NO! Most 'home routers' (again, as I said in the other thread, 'home routers' are NOT routers!) CANNOT use USB.

    Hell, as far as I'm concerned, allowing a broadband modem to connect to a system via USB is painful amounts of stupid.

    Step 1) UNPLUG that USB cable.
    Step 2) You should see what looks like a phone jack on the back of the modem, except about twice as wide. Plug the CAT-5 cable into that.
    Step 3) Plug the other end into the correct port on the 'home router'.
    Step 4) Get another CAT-5 cable and plug it into one of the other ports (NOT the DMZ port if yours has one), then plug the other end of that into the network jack on your computer.

    This IS assuming you actually have a network card in your machine, or a LAN adapter integrated into the motherboard.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    edited May 2004
    So i unplug the usb , plug one end of the cat5 cable into the modem and put the other end into the router , then get another cat5 cable and put it from the router into my pc , then put another cat5 cable from the router into the other pc? , sounds simple enough
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Generally. You NEED to read the instructions, as some require you to do certain setups on the computer too (either using specific IP addresses, or setting it to use DHCP). And make certain your computer HAS a network jack. Some don't, and you'll need to buy a network card if you don't have one and still want to do this.
  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    Ok so we went out today , got a wireless router and 2 pc wireless card things (theres nobody round here that would want to hack it and its not linksys, and its too much trouble to get a wired one ) , set the one up in mine perfectly , the other card is bent and wont fit properly in the other pc ( it came like that ) so gotta go back and get another one :/
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