Here's for ye John Doe <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Delarosa+May 13 2004, 07:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ May 13 2004, 07:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> are we openly allowed to model this, or would you get mad at me for atempting? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ya, I've given up hope on salvaging you people... Sure, model it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*tip*, remove the buttstock. It is entirely useless and looks out of place. While you may consider this a defining feature, i just see it as something that can and will get in the way if you attempted to fire this pistol. Once again, as with one of your previous concepts, to fully utilise the buttstock you would have to have your arm in such an uncomfortable position that it would be nothing but a (literal) pain to use.
I know you just want to add it to make your pistol look different, but i'm sorry, it's entirely out of place.
<!--QuoteBegin-esuna+May 13 2004, 09:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ May 13 2004, 09:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *tip*, remove the buttstock. It is entirely useless and looks out of place. While you may consider this a defining feature, i just see it as something that can and will get in the way if you attempted to fire this pistol. Once again, as with one of your previous concepts, to fully utilise the buttstock you would have to have your arm in such an uncomfortable position that it would be nothing but a (literal) pain to use.
I know you just want to add it to make your pistol look different, but i'm sorry, it's entirely out of place. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well not everyone are giants with extra-long arms like you, I have an almost identical (not the details, but the form.) stock on my air-soft gun, homemadeoutta aluminium, and it works.
Btw. Im not a midget, im a fully grown man, so...
Edit: Im off to bed, cya all, and good luck Delarosa *ZzzZzz...*
You must think... what will differentiate this from other pistols?
Most pistols look the same down the barrel anyway; for me, the only saving graces are interesting LAMs or neat-o vent holes. This concept has neither, I can imagine in game it'd look pretty much like a cylinder with some extra stuff thrown in around it, and then a pretty default LAM.
Not meant as a personal flame, in fact I was considering posting this as its own thread, but whatever.
I'm just trying to say modelers and concept artists will inevitably be frustrated by the inflexibility of the pistol design. There's much potential in the long-gun field; endless pistols simply get tiring unless it has something that truly sets it apart from the pack.
Here's a little illustration. No the gun size isn't entirely accurate, it's just a rough sketch, if you will.
1) In this image you can get a rough idea of how far the buttstock reaches in proportion to an average sized man with an outstretched arm.
2) This image shows the position of the right arm when holding the pistol with the buttstock flush against my shoulder (No i haven't held a real gun in ages. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->). I can assure you this is entirely uncomfortable for a start. But it gets worse.
3) This image shows the uncomfortable arm position as illustrated in image 2 but with the added annoyance of having to tilt my neck to an awkward angle just to view down the non-existant iron sights.
So yeah. It's uncomfortable and wholly unrealistic.
<!--QuoteBegin--Thief-+May 14 2004, 02:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Thief- @ May 14 2004, 02:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> no offense, but esuna my friend, you have WAY too much free time <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's 3:37am, what do you expect me to do. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-chrono5454+May 13 2004, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (chrono5454 @ May 13 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i say clip from the side like the NS lmg but i doubt your even reading this <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i told you its like anything i post he doesnt read <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
seems a little too fat del and i just realized esunas post count is at -3900
<!--QuoteBegin-Revolver+May 14 2004, 03:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Revolver @ May 14 2004, 03:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [QUOTE=chrono5454,May 13 2004, 10:20 PM] [QUOTE=chrono5454,May 13 2004, 07:30 PM]and i just realized esunas post count is at -3900 [/QUOTE] What the--?! O_o;; <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> When i hit 4,000 posts i decided to post <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=70702' target='_blank'>this</a>. NemesisZero decided it to set my postcount to -4,000 for this. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also, i get the "Rock Bottom" custom title until i hit 0 posts again, since before i got that i had nothing in the title box. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I just closed IE Explorer... and it re-opened itself and brought me here AGAIN!!!! <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->?
woot i am one place further up as top poster <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And if you didn tknow, you can extend the stock, if you see that thing on the handle, yeah... Its not there because it looks good (which it doesnt.) Its therebecause the extension of the barrel is in there <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: Here, I made a handgun especially for ye Esuna <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Goddamit. Another person complaining about what this gun for a _game_ would work like in real life. Its a sweet concept, if i were going to play a game for gun realism...i wouldnt have chosen NS.
indeed i dont think that 90+ bullets is needed to take down an onos..... Or that it takes about 12 - 15 bullets for a skulk.... 1 shot one take an gorge down with a pistol
<!--QuoteBegin-mephmage+May 14 2004, 12:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mephmage @ May 14 2004, 12:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>I'd like to hear what ye guys would want</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Why do you get all defensive every time someone offers C&C then?
If you don't want to hear it don't ask for it, it's quite simple.
You guys are a riot <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Mintman+May 14 2004, 10:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mintman @ May 14 2004, 10:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-mephmage+May 14 2004, 12:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mephmage @ May 14 2004, 12:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>I'd like to hear what ye guys would want</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why do you get all defensive every time someone offers C&C then?
If you don't want to hear it don't ask for it, it's quite simple. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Im joking? And I'm telling whats wrong and whats not, heh...
if YOU guys cant take criticism on yer criticism, well.. Then dont criticise at all.´
i'm still puzzled as to why you'd want a stock on your pistol, but whatevar the gun itself seems a little boxy, but it aint bad <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> goodo boyo
Comments
but i doubt your even reading this
ya, I've given up hope on salvaging you people...
Sure, model it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I know you just want to add it to make your pistol look different, but i'm sorry, it's entirely out of place.
I know you just want to add it to make your pistol look different, but i'm sorry, it's entirely out of place. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well not everyone are giants with extra-long arms like you, I have an almost identical (not the details, but the form.) stock on my air-soft gun, homemadeoutta aluminium, and it works.
Btw. Im not a midget, im a fully grown man, so...
Edit: Im off to bed, cya all, and good luck Delarosa
*ZzzZzz...*
Most pistols look the same down the barrel anyway; for me, the only saving graces are interesting LAMs or neat-o vent holes. This concept has neither, I can imagine in game it'd look pretty much like a cylinder with some extra stuff thrown in around it, and then a pretty default LAM.
Not meant as a personal flame, in fact I was considering posting this as its own thread, but whatever.
I'm just trying to say modelers and concept artists will inevitably be frustrated by the inflexibility of the pistol design. There's much potential in the long-gun field; endless pistols simply get tiring unless it has something that truly sets it apart from the pack.
1) In this image you can get a rough idea of how far the buttstock reaches in proportion to an average sized man with an outstretched arm.
2) This image shows the position of the right arm when holding the pistol with the buttstock flush against my shoulder (No i haven't held a real gun in ages. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->). I can assure you this is entirely uncomfortable for a start. But it gets worse.
3) This image shows the uncomfortable arm position as illustrated in image 2 but with the added annoyance of having to tilt my neck to an awkward angle just to view down the non-existant iron sights.
So yeah. It's uncomfortable and wholly unrealistic.
it's been Delarosa-ified... (see also: nubified)
It's 3:37am, what do you expect me to do. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
but i doubt your even reading this <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i told you its like anything i post he doesnt read <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
seems a little too fat del
and i just realized esunas post count is at -3900
What the--?! O_o;;
What the--?! O_o;; <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
When i hit 4,000 posts i decided to post <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=70702' target='_blank'>this</a>. NemesisZero decided it to set my postcount to -4,000 for this. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also, i get the "Rock Bottom" custom title until i hit 0 posts again, since before i got that i had nothing in the title box. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I just closed IE Explorer... and it re-opened itself and brought me here AGAIN!!!! <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->?
AGAIN! STUPID COMPUTER!!!
MEH! I'm going to bed!
*kicks computer*
woot i am one place further up as top poster <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And if you didn tknow, you can extend the stock, if you see that thing on the handle, yeah... Its not there because it looks good (which it doesnt.)
Its therebecause the extension of the barrel is in there <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: Here, I made a handgun especially for ye Esuna <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Actually it does look more normal with that stock with the end addition removed.
i dont think that 90+ bullets is needed to take down an onos.....
Or that it takes about 12 - 15 bullets for a skulk....
1 shot one take an gorge down with a pistol
Why do you get all defensive every time someone offers C&C then?
If you don't want to hear it don't ask for it, it's quite simple.
Why do you get all defensive every time someone offers C&C then?
If you don't want to hear it don't ask for it, it's quite simple. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Im joking? And I'm telling whats wrong and whats not, heh...
if YOU guys cant take criticism on yer criticism, well.. Then dont criticise at all.´
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
the gun itself seems a little boxy, but it aint bad <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
goodo boyo