Speed Hacks

FUSiON00FUSiON00 Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28271Banned
<div class="IPBDescription">They work...</div> I was tesitng out to see if speed hacks work on a few servers (VERY sorry to the admins/people's game I ruined - was for a good cause) because I think I have seen a few people using them. And yes, they do work. If any developers want to know thew hack name then I can pm them. What they did was, when u saw a marine all u had to do was hit forward and you were instantly to the mairne without having to aim and the bite attack was a good 100 times faster than it should be so it killed the whole mairne team in about 3 seconds as alien skulk if you got to their base. To me, I feel that this is a very severe problem and can ruin the game. Developers, PLEASE fix this asap.

To the people who were in the games that I feel I ruined:

I am very very sorry for this, but please understand that it was for a good cause and I <u><b>WILL NOT EVER</b></u> use ANY hacks/cheats again. The only reason I tested this is because, as I said earlier, I have seen a few people going around very fast as alien and killing marines one after another quickly and I do believe they were using these hacks.

I used these nicknames in game:

FUSiON

Unknowned

Please, do not hold a grudge against me as I AM NOT a cheater, I am against cheating. If you banned me, please unban me.

FUSiON

Comments

  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    Heh. :D

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    While we're talking about speed, I'd like to alert you all to the little known fact that if you rapidly tap left and right strafe back and forth as a marine, you go about 25% faster on foot. You actually get a good speed and as long as you rapidly tap left and right strafe, you keep it, unlike marines doing that single-bhop step trick. I no longer jump as a marine except to dodge and hurdle skulks. When I need to go ultra-fast as a marine, I zigzag back and forth and bomb straight forward. This really does work. Go join a server, be a marine, and run forward while jamming left and right. You don't even need to turn your mouse left and right like with skulk bhopping.

    Discuss.
  • SiDSquishySiDSquishy Join Date: 2003-10-15 Member: 21704Members
    Ya we made a script for that but it wasn't really useful so we never do it. Theres all kinds of things you can do movement wise in this game.
  • gazOzzgazOzz Work&#39;s a ... Join Date: 2003-12-25 Member: 24747Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    wall strafing is much faster and easier than tapping... of course if you can find a proper wall near you... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Sadly, the HL physics model is riddled with bugs. Old ones, such as the 'drunking wallrun' are still in place, despite having been known about (and correctable) for years.

    It's all down to who you play with and how well admin'd your server of choice is, sadly.
  • FUSiON00FUSiON00 Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28271Banned
    edited May 2004
    Umm guys, this thread is kinda supposed to be about the speed hacks being fixed. So can we please stay on topic? Im not trying to be rude or anything, and your tip seems pretty useful, its just that this speed hack really needs to be fixed.

    Edit: May I clarify speed hacks as an actual program that lets you go up to 999 times faster than normal and has an NS compatible aimbot in it (havn't seen anyone using aimbots yet, which is good.).

    FUSiON
  • Kenichi-SNKKenichi-SNK Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24617Members
    edited May 2004
    This is one of the main reasons that stricter servers are deploying a smasll program which makes people get kicked unless they have Cheating Death on.

    If more servers had CD permanently fixed onto it, about 90% of those hackers would then dissapear. However issues would sooner or less be brought up about hacking into CD to then hack into NS.

    I despise hackers to. Theres probable noway to stop them all, but at least things like CD can give us some satisfaction just for now.

    EDIT: Oh and aimbots, i see about 80% of the ppl i play against who go LERKS always seem to have aimbots on the spikes.
  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    See but the problem with wallstrafing that I've found is that you need a flat wall to strafe against, and often times, using the wall to do the strafewalk trick takes longer to get to than just wiggle-walking in a straight line. The wall is usually too far out of my way and I'm not going to spend the tenths of a second needed.

    Plus I'm still not entirely sure which direction to face to get maximum wallstrafe speed. All the walls in NS are too broken-up for this trick usually.

    I figured there might be a script for wigglewalking, and I'm curious how it's written, but I just do it by hand. It's not that hard at all if your left index and ring finger are still attached to your hand, and you get this huge, obvious speed burst. What's absolutely hilarious is wigglewalking while catalyst'd. It's the funniest thing ever. If you thought you could outrun skulks with catpacks BEFORE, they'll be eating dust now. I love this trick, and everyone should know about it.

    You can still bhop up slopes with marines. As long as you're jumping to a higher level, it's technically possible, I think. But even then, wigglewalking is like the easiest thing EVAR. Nobody could possibly find a reason to complain about this.

    What other stuff am I leaving out?
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    hehe, i once saw this guy using a speedhack.. it was rather annoying. and yes he got banned. but, to be fair, i must mention that he made that hack/script himself ;P
  • FUSiON00FUSiON00 Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28271Banned
    edited May 2004
    Yeah I agree Cheating Death should be deployed on most servers. Im already banned from many servers because people saw me using those, yet I hope they will unban me if they see this post. I am just wondering because this speedhack is like no other. When I tested it aliens won the game less than 1 minute after is started because once a speedhacker gets in the base theres no stopping him and its easy to kill players 1 millisecond after they spawn.

    Edit: No, I did not make this hack myself. It is a hack for HL and all mods that has a bunch of "features" in it. ESP, Aimbot, OpenGL, Radar, Speedhack, the whole works. I will not mention the name or where I got it, but I will say that it is a popular place for cheaters.
  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    Also, I deliberately attempted to hijack the topic because I wanted there to be something useful here, as opposed to the typical generic hack topic that gets worse and worse until it gets out of hand.

    So instead of talking about OMGHAX, lets talk about legal ways to marginally increase your performance.

    Wigglewalking is supreme for marines. PMO.

    Does wallstrafing work for aliens? Also, does it combo with that one trick where you look diagonally into the ground to get more speed? Or is that actually the same trick, but instead of pressing against the wall you press to the floor?
  • gazOzzgazOzz Work&#39;s a ... Join Date: 2003-12-25 Member: 24747Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    yep wall strafing works for aliens that do not stick to walls (press duck for skulk)... the hive exit stairs of co_daimos is a good test area...
  • Beer_GogglesBeer_Goggles Join Date: 2004-04-21 Member: 28067Members, Constellation
    edited May 2004
    <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
  • FUSiON00FUSiON00 Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28271Banned
    Dude, I told you it was for the good of the game. And you dont have to insult me and talk that trash. I was just seeing if that was as severe as it looked.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    FUSiON, if what you say is true, it was an admirable goal.

    However :

    The fact remains that you used those cheats. There's no saying to anyone that you can prove your original intent, and most admins (probably myself included, had you done this on one of mine) would just see this as attempting to get out of the bans by saying 'I was just seeing if they worked!'. If that were the case, you could have started a local listen server, or joined an empty one, or gathered an existing friend and tested them in private.

    If what you say was true, fair enough. But I wouldn't expect many people to believe it.

    - Shockwave
  • FUSiON00FUSiON00 Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28271Banned
    Okay I can understand what you are syaing. But, if I was just a lame cheater, I would still be using the hacks right now. Nobody can honestly and truthfully say that I have been using any hacks since my first post.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    In which case, I'd say your best bet would be to not antagonise any further, PM the details to the first moderator who shows interest, or maybe one of the PT's. This can be passed on to be hopefully eliminated from working, and this thread can die.

    Persisting is only going to cause aggravation in the community, and you'll probably be doing yourself a favour by not drawing attention to it.

    P.S I'd forget those servers you tested on.

    - Shockwave
  • LittleToeLittleToe Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19163Members
    edited May 2004
    CD + steam = computer lockup. maybe it's just me but if i run CD and steam together i have to punch my computer in the eye <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> .

    the straff walk works for any player/class so dont expect to out run anything. after all most people know about/use it.
  • WirheWirhe Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17610Members
    edited May 2004
    Got my share of those cheats, mainly on servers that do not use CD. Nothing like having a skulk on your face in the same instant you see a glimpse of it in the other end of the corridor...

    When this happens, I use a speedhax of my own; F4 + disconnect. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • napinapi Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14172Members, Constellation
    edited May 2004
    C-D is good - i don't argue that... but it really isn't the be-all and end all for anti-cheat

    why do i say this? The original write of one of the most widely used Halflife cheats (MetaCheat) was interviewed quite recently when he announced his retirement from cheat-writing : he was asked about how he dealth with C-D

    his response? Metacheat was updated to be undetectable by C-D within 2 hours of every release... it took him average of 1 hour to find out what would detect, 20 mins to have a few beers and relish in the success, 20 mins to update the code, 10 mins of testing just to make sure, and then another 10 mins updating all the file servers and making a few forum posts...

    speed hacks can be fairly easily taken out of games as they all work the same way and run the same procedures... I imagine they'll be blocked with the next version of NS
  • FUSiON00FUSiON00 Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28271Banned
    Well thats a good thing. I am glad to see my hack testing is good for something! And admins - you should be THANKING me for doing that because what I have done will reduce the number of cheaters.
  • FUSiON00FUSiON00 Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28271Banned
    Server is NSArmslab.com Com/Norm NS 3.0B4a
    Ip is 69.93.79.2:27018
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    BUILD 2705 SERVER (0 CRC)
    Server # 105
    Kicked :There are no reserved slots available on the server.
    Connecting to 69.93.79.2:27018...
    Connection accepted by 69.93.79.2:27018

    BUILD 2738 SERVER (0 CRC)
    Server # 364
    * Privileges set
    * Simple Slots Activated
    [AMXX] You have been banned by admin [NSA]pvt. Wolfenstein from this server.
    [AMXX] You have banned permanently. 
    [AMXX] Reason . 
    [AMXX] Your nick: unknown_STEAM_0:1:1871206. Your steamid: STEAM_0:1:1871206. 
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    Now that makes me ticked off that I try to help the NS community and I get banned for it. Please remove this ban if an admin sees it.
  • e_Nadagaste_Nadagast Join Date: 2003-10-30 Member: 22149Members
    edited May 2004
    <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
  • lochnesslochness Join Date: 2002-12-13 Member: 10753Members
    what good did your hack testing actually proof anyway? people know they exist already, and they are extremely easy to spot. plus you post on this forums instead of going to the website of the server you were banned from and contacting an admin.


    in before the loch
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    For the last damn time, folks, I don't care how 'justified' you think your flames are, they aren't.

    <span style='color:red'>***Locked.***</span>
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