Beheading Conspiracy Theories
MrMojo
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<div class="IPBDescription">note: may contain graphic content/swears</div> If there's another topic like this, I'm sorry.
Anyway, I have found links to several conspiracy theory sites. Although some facts are rather stretching the truth, many things are extremely weird.
And yeah, I realize a lot of these sources are conspiracy-like websites that aren't so credible.
<a href='http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/berg.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/berg.htm</a>
<a href='http://shorl.com/hygibekatrara' target='_blank'>http://shorl.com/hygibekatrara</a>
<a href='http://english.aljazeera.net/english/DialogBox/BreakingNews.aspx' target='_blank'>http://english.aljazeera.net/english/Dialo...eakingNews.aspx</a>
<a href='http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=67991' target='_blank'>http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/showthr...?threadid=67991</a>
<a href='http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthread.php?threadid=138830&r=7' target='_blank'>http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthread.php?...adid=138830&r=7</a>
Anyway, I have found links to several conspiracy theory sites. Although some facts are rather stretching the truth, many things are extremely weird.
And yeah, I realize a lot of these sources are conspiracy-like websites that aren't so credible.
<a href='http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/berg.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/berg.htm</a>
<a href='http://shorl.com/hygibekatrara' target='_blank'>http://shorl.com/hygibekatrara</a>
<a href='http://english.aljazeera.net/english/DialogBox/BreakingNews.aspx' target='_blank'>http://english.aljazeera.net/english/Dialo...eakingNews.aspx</a>
<a href='http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=67991' target='_blank'>http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/showthr...?threadid=67991</a>
<a href='http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthread.php?threadid=138830&r=7' target='_blank'>http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthread.php?...adid=138830&r=7</a>
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Meh. It sucks when governments get away with crap like this.
What does Al-Jazeera, the Muslim worlds only independent news station and despite some recent slander generally renowed as a source of balanced information, have to do in a list of "conspiracy theory sites"?
Very simply, nem, it was one of the sites someone linked on the Tool forums ( band).
<a href='http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4FFA61A3-9C33-4597-A8D9-8079E91F2784.htm' target='_blank'>http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4FF...079E91F2784.htm</a> is the working link
Here's the 5-page thread (some swearing) :
<a href='http://toolshed.down.net/opinion/forum/showthread.php?t=19178&page=1&pp=40' target='_blank'>http://toolshed.down.net/opinion/forum/sho...78&page=1&pp=40</a>
Just as I say on the last page, i'm not one for the conspiracy theories. But this is some really real evidence, and there needs to be pretty solid proof to discredit the links.
Maybe it's just me but, eh...the guy who did the beheading had <b>two legs</b>, as opposed to <b>one leg</b> that this Abu-dude is supposed to have.
Maybe it's just me but, eh...the guy who did the beheading had <b>two legs</b>, as opposed to <b>one leg</b> that this Abu-dude is supposed to have. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indeed...
I'd say the Bluelight.nu link is the most "interesting" of the ones posted...
Anyone have a pair of scissors or a knife that i could borrow for, just a moment? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Maybe it's just me but, eh...the guy who did the beheading had <b>two legs</b>, as opposed to <b>one leg</b> that this Abu-dude is supposed to have. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bin Laden didn't fly the planes himself you know, and Yasser Arafat didn't plant any bombs on busses either... not saying that anything is fact at this point, but 'at the hands of' doesn't necessarially mean that they did it.
By the by, on a more morbid note, is there a link to the video anywhere? Reading theorys and crap on something I've not even SEEN is a one-way-trip to closed-minded-American-ville.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mullet@the Iraqi Torture thread+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet@the Iraqi Torture thread)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>The video is not for the weak heart...View at your own risk.</span></span>
And after actually seeing the <a href='http://www.consumptionjunction.com//downloads/cj_34947.wmv' target='_blank'>video</a> of him being murdered, I don't see how ANYONE could have ANY sympathy towards those animals.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even if it was a hollywood film, its SICK.
It was very un-Hollywood like, and I have seen the Danny Pearl tape, this was quite similar.
Don't be fooled by moronic pseudo intellectualists who think their outsmarting the US government by claiming this poor man was killed by the US, or it didn't happen, it happened
Why don't you attack the evidence instead of the ones who present it? If you really know something we don't, please, do share.
I'll make it easy for you, I'll gather all of the theories and evidence here and you can have a go.
-Is it not curious that the US denies contact with Berg, and yet his friends and family insist that he told them he was being held by the US?(and this leads to...)
-Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody. He never informed his parents that he got out. Isn't that odd?
-He was in an orange jumpsuit. Why would the terrorist put him in an orange, US issue jumpsuit?
-When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible blood on it.
-Terrorists have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.
-Terrorists look like they have eaten well, even though they have to hide from the Coalition forces and eat on the run. Not like the rest of the Iraqis.
-A western voice is heard on the video(it's there but not too clearly), saying maybe "Thy will be done"
-Most people replied by asserting that the execution occured as retribution to the abuse photos that had surfaced, but you have to ask yourself - do these terrorists, who are clearly capable of brainwashing people to the point where they are willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs, really have no concept of political tact? Here they are, the whole world screaming at the US for hypocrisy and injustice over these pictures, and they perform and publish this execution right in the heat of the scandal. In other words, these masters of brainwashing and spin and deception release a video of a despicable act just as the US, their sworn enemy, is being globally grilled. Does this make sense to you?
-Berg's body didn't move while on the ground. Although held down, Berg would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip.
-Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his identity". Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by family.
-The wall colour and the chair are identical to those used in Abu Ghraib prison(where Berg was held).
-The timecodes in the video jump back and forth?(it's heavily edited)
-Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmly while statement is read, waiting to be killed.
-You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion.
-One of the executioners is wearing clean Air Jordans, not something people who have to stay in rather dirty places and on the run would have(not clean at least)
-The video time is in US Military English.
-The terrorists signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why?
-The men SPEAK RUSSIAN for several seconds. Not only that, but they speak Arabic with Russian accents. That's right, in the final seconds of the tape, one of the men speaks in Russian. Those here who understand russian (and have the stomach to view that final seconds of the video) can verify this. Those who speak Arabic will be able to verify that these men speak Arabic in Russian accents.
-Arab reader flips through pages of statement and keeps ending up on
the same page. Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize what
page he's on(dubbed sound)?
-I think Berg was killed before the prison scandal broke lose. Howcome the terrorists killed Berg in return for the torture of the prisoners, if it hadn't even come out?(So Berg first died, prison scandal happened and Bergs death was used afterwards to gather sympathy(with a Berg look a like))
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><i>me and a friend were discussing recent news events and trying to piece together the information presented to us, thought you might want to look into this further, they said in the news that nicholas berg was killed 2 weeks ago (i think), however in the video the culprits who killed him said they were "avenging iraqi prisoner abuse" but those photos weren't released until last week, so my question is how is that even a possible motive if he was killed prior to the abuse photos being released?? </i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Some of this stuff is more concrete and some just minor observations, however it's enough to make you suspect the whole scenario. (I copied many of this stuff from the sources linked above)
US government has a motive and an opportunity. Here's a conclusion, not by me:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As many has suspected, but have not had the time to build a solid case for, the execution of Nick Berg was performed by coalition interests (most likely independent Russian mercenaries) in order to dwarf the abuse pictures and sway public opinion back against the Iraqis and in support of the war by taking advantage of the emotional reaction we all experience when hearing of such an despicable act. The poor production quality (all the "curiosities" I have pointed out) of this video can be attributed to the haste in which it was made after the order was given to distract the public from the abuse scandal, and is in line with my conclusion.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Edited for clarity.
Edited some more.
No, I haven’t seen the video – I thought I wanted to watch it until I downloaded it and realized that it’s too real for me, I’d have nightmares forever.
I tend to agree with the fact that there is more to what happened than what the standard media is reporting. There was another part of the puzzle that I don’t see mentioned here:
<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13/berg.encounter/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13...nter/index.html</a>
Berg had been investigated for terrorist ties awhile ago. Is it possible that he could have been working with/for the terrorists???
There are so many bits and pieces of information floating around, not to mention everything that is not released to us, I can’t even begin to say I know what happened, or that I will ever know what happened.
This whole Iraq thing makes me sad.
The video and the body is real, but I suspect he was already dead(maybe a casualty of war or then killed for this purpose) and they beheaded a corpse.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Berg had been investigated for terrorist ties awhile ago. Is it possible that he could have been working with/for the terrorists???<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's possible, and that's one reason why the US would've locked him up. And that's also another reason to kill him and benefit for his death in the process.
Unless the media starts looking in to this, we'll never know for sure. Independent 'truth-seekers' don't have enough resouces to gather any hard evidence.
-Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody. He never informed his parents that he got out. Isn't that odd?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Odd yes, but reasons for this could range from, calls to America from Iraq are not cheap to, he forgot.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-He was in an orange jumpsuit. Why would the terrorist put him in an orange, US issue jumpsuit?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have yet to see any proof its at "US issue" jumpsuit, perhaps that?s all they had, they wanted him to stand out. They could have stole it from somewhere.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible blood on it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
First there is plenty of blood, maybe you need to watch it again, it pours all over the floor, drips from his head. I don't know if you?re a big Kill Bill fan or what but contrary to popular belief blood does not squirt 4 feet in the air from decapitated bodies. There is plenty of blood if you look for it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-Terrorists have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lilly white would be an exaggeration, and the quality is horrible. I have seen pictures of some rather "pale" Iraqis before this is no proof of anything.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Terrorists look like they have eaten well, even though they have to hide from the Coalition forces and eat on the run. Not like the rest of the Iraqis<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I 'm not sure what city this took place in, but many Iraqis are very anti-American and have no problem as I have read letting these people into there homes, feeding them etc...Still not even close to proof.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-A western voice is heard on the video(it's there but not too clearly), saying maybe "Thy will be done"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't hear that, and really it could easily be an Aribic phrase that you only think sounds like "Thy will be done." Given that it's not heard clearly.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-Most people replied by asserting that the execution occured as retribution to the abuse photos that had surfaced, but you have to ask yourself - do these terrorists, who are clearly capable of brainwashing people to the point where they are willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs, really have no concept of political tact? Here they are, the whole world screaming at the US for hypocrisy and injustice over these pictures, and they perform and publish this execution right in the heat of the scandal. In other words, these masters of brainwashing and spin and deception release a video of a despicable act just as the US, their sworn enemy, is being globally grilled. Does this make sense to you?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Masters of brainwashing and spin? Their good at convincing people who live in horrible conditions, who can't be that smart to begin with, to go off and blow themselves up because everything will be better for them in the afterlife.
Perhaps they thought that we were forgetting about them, that they were becoming a small sideshow to the US "scandal" and wanted to reemerge in the public light. Perhaps they were genuinely ticked off at what happened at the prison and really did want revenge, a mild tempered person does not decapitate a human being in cold blood for no reason.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-Berg's body didn't move while on the ground. Although held down, Berg would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps because he was tied and bound? Maybe he had already accpected his death? Maybe he thought by moving he would cause them to slip and cause him more pain? God only knows what was running through his mind during those last few minutes. Lets not forget this is REAL not Hollywood, he?s not going to get up, untie himself do a back filp and shoot all the terrorists. We don't see real people die often therefore how can we judge why they don't do what we think they should do, "instinctively" or not.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his identity". Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by family.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe because, even though you don't see them, his captors were all around him making sure he did what they told him. He was most likely told what to say by the killers beforehand. Wouldn't you do what they told you in such a situation? Most people in that kind of a situation would try and appease their captors, try and find some mercy in them. No matter what I doubt he had little choice in what he said. As for his looks, lets ship you off to Iraq, have you captured by terrorists, doing who knows what to him, and see how much you look like you last Christmas photo.
See part 2.. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Cont...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-The wall colour and the chair are identical to those used in Abu Ghraib prison(where Berg was held).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The wall color could be pure coincidence, as for the chair, who knows it could have come from anywhere. Remember the major looting of Iraq during the first few days of the occupation? Perhaps they took it from that very prison?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-The timecodes in the video jump back and forth?(it's heavily edited)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That proves absolutely nothing. The editing could be for so many reasons from the terrorists themselves to wherever this version of the video came from.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmly while statement is read, waiting to be killed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well as you say they spoke it with a Russian accent, perhaps that threw him off?
Take a look at that scene do you think there was any doubt in your mind he didn't know what was going to happen? Maybe they told him before hand? Again what do you expect him do? Start crying, beg for his life? Maybe he wanted to die with dignity, knowing full well his parents might see that very tape.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
-You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical Muslim, willing to kill in a gut wrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's quite clear by now that allot of these leaders of the terrorists value there own lives over their religion. Islam forbids killing innocent people, yet he does that. The gold ring thing is small and meaningless, these people are not holy. And how do we know he is willing to be killed for his beliefs? How do we know how much he values his religion? These people manipulate and destroy Islam for their own purposes is it really such a surprise to see them breaking its rules?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-One of the executioners is wearing clean Air Jordans, not something people who have to stay in rather dirty places and on the run would have(not clean at least)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Air Jordans huh? You must have the best eyes in the world? Can I assume you mean the country not the basketball player? They didn't look to clean to me. Plus do a search for pictures of Iraqis you can see them in white shoes. This is meaningless.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-The video time is in US Military English.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stolen camera.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-The terrorists signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why decapitate an innocent human being on tape? Perhaps for intimidation, they knew all of America would see this tape, the hooded anonymous killers are harder to put a face on, much more intimidating then peoples faces.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-The men SPEAK RUSSIAN for several seconds. Not only that, but they speak Arabic with Russian accents. That's right, in the final seconds of the tape, one of the men speaks in Russian. Those here who understand Russian (and have the stomach to view that final seconds of the video) can verify this. Those who speak Arabic will be able to verify that these men speak Arabic in Russian accents.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'll believe this when you can prove it to me. But how does this suggest, if it were true, that Americans killed him?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
-Arab reader flips through pages of statement and keeps ending up on
the same page. Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize what
page he's on(dubbed sound)?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It looks to me as if it was all on one page, and some of it he added on his own.
Well that?s my case.
<span style='color:white'>Please avoid doubelposts.</span>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-I think Berg was killed before the prison scandal broke lose. Howcome the terrorists killed Berg in return for the torture of the prisoners, if it hadn't even come out?(So Berg first died, prison scandal happened and Bergs death was used afterwards to gather sympathy(with a Berg look a like))
<i>me and a friend were discussing recent news events and trying to piece together the information presented to us, thought you might want to look into this further, they said in the news that nicholas berg was killed 2 weeks ago (i think), however in the video the culprits who killed him said they were "avenging iraqi prisoner abuse" but those photos weren't released until last week, so my question is how is that even a possible motive if he was killed prior to the abuse photos being released??</i> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your replies don't add anything new that we don't know, yes, we can say that they stole the prisoner jumpsuit, Berg forgot to inform his parents and US government lies about Berg being held captive for fun. Also Berg just wanted to die and just waited for death, and the terrorist leader decided to wear a gold ring and defy his religion. The chairs and the walls just happened to be excactly the same as the ones in Coalitions prison and the voices just happen to sound like dubbed.
We can assume all that, but it's still a long shot. A lot longer IMO than assuming that US government decided to use Bergs death as propaganda. Many things don't seem to be right. Too many.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Masters of brainwashing and spin? Their good at convincing people who live in horrible conditions, who can't be that smart to begin with, to go off and blow themselves up because everything will be better for them in the afterlife.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't underestimate your enemy. A traditionally large part of the terroristic movements originates from Koran-schools, many of which have basically been the centers of Islamic intellectualism for centuries. Big parts of the extremist movement is highly intelligent. Assuming that only 'stupid peasants' can be brainwashed into becoming part of this movement is a grave mistake.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's quite clear by now that allot of these leaders of the terrorists value there own lives over their religion. Islam forbids killing innocent people, yet he does that. The gold ring thing is small and meaningless, these people are not holy.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, but they assume so. Fundamentalistic movements (don't take offense now, Legio, we both know what I'm talking about) are notorious for substituting strict accordance with traditions for true accordance to a faiths rules. As an example, many of the leaders of Palestenian extremistic movements refuse to appear on any kind of image, yet have no qualms with ignoring key aspects of the Islamic faith such as the call for peacefullness and the respect of women.
To me, the gold ring is one of the most convincing arguments against the popular version.
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Slow down a little, Dread. It's well possible that you are in so far correct that the official story behind this gruesome act is in fact wrong, but this does not directely indicate the existence of a centralized, stringent plot of deception. This only one of a far range of alternatives, and not more or less likely than many others at that.
You're right, the 'evidence' is shaky and has been mutilated so much that it's hard to tell really what's going on, and saying that US government absolutely did it is foolish. It's hard to tell what happened really, it could've been the terrorists or it could've been the government. Hell, it could've been a couple of wardens who think they are doing their country a favor. However I still stay by my stance that there is a lot more to Bergs murder than we're led to believe. The evidence in whole is too massive to be ignored as common coincidences.
I have to agree with Nem, the gold ring did kind of put me off.
Also, if in the circumstance Berg was in, accepting incoming death or not, I would have used every inch of muscle and energy to prevent such from happening. Seriously, considering the terms of death, who wouldn't? Its not like he was going to die a martyr.
All the evidence seems to point to a foul up, but then again, who really knows?
On a related note, has anyone seen the Mr. Pearl beheading? Did he squirm? Did he flinch?
Not at all, it's possible and I'm glad you brought this up.
Now what I'm asking is; these people are allegedly close to Bin Laden. Somehow I'm thinking Laden wouldn't let anyone 'foreign' to get too high in his organization. Maybe I'm wrong though, this is just guessing.
Edit: spelling.
Obviously English and Arabic are down.
Although this might not be the case in the USA because I'm living in Greece and it MIGHT be that the news is bias(not sure if it is Im just saying that might be why Im not seeing to much about the beheading) and even though I speak greek I get lost in what their saying sometimes.
(this just might be a reason that I'm seen things differently if thats the case)
In fact I think Umbraed Monkey proved its authenticity best with this statement:
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If in fact it was fake, don't you think the terrorists, incredible as they may be, would be better off refuting the tape as their own? I think that would work best to their purposes seeing as it might drag that suspicion into a far more public light.
But again, hindsight is 20/20, and I think we can say 100% that the tape is real.
Unless anyone wants to venture that the last two beheadings were also staged?
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When I saw it for the first time I broke out into a cold sweat, so don't be suprised
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I'm willing to say that the two recent beheadings were real
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