Hl2 Hacker Arrested
The hacker responsible for the theft of the source code from Valve has been arrested from his home country of Germany.
more info <a href='http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47362' target='_blank'>Here</a>(in german)
Translated <a href='http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fmeldung%2F47362&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools' target='_blank'>Here</a>(crappy google translation)
Info taken from <a href='http://www.csnation.net' target='_blank'>CSNation</a>
GJ to all those who helped in apprehending the ****
more info <a href='http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47362' target='_blank'>Here</a>(in german)
Translated <a href='http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fmeldung%2F47362&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools' target='_blank'>Here</a>(crappy google translation)
Info taken from <a href='http://www.csnation.net' target='_blank'>CSNation</a>
GJ to all those who helped in apprehending the ****
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Well that was good if that was usama.
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-I- AM SPARTACUS!!!!
The software industry can't risk the notion getting into peoples heads that it's perfectly possible to do so, or every wannabe 'hacker' on the planet will have a go.
And if by nothing but sheer luck, some will succeed.
Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?
Two things result from this fact:
I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.
II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the spectre of communism with a manifesto of the party itself.
/me files 'Communism' with 'Linux home PCs', 'Magic', 'Never Never Land' and other assorted oddments.
anything actualy worthwhile in that article? (as the translation sounds as bad as one of my posts).
Secondly, is the german justice system realy that bad? Or is it just a bad history of handeling E-crimes?
(or is it burger time?)
Not much. It cites that chatlog we all know of by now, explains the situation surrounding the codetheft, and notes that another company is already pressing charges against the hacker.
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I won't say much bad about the German justice system - it's in my perception one of the by far better out there. There are just not many experts for this kind of crime yet, but that problem plagues every justice system with people predominantly older than 50 in its high ranks.
what chat log? (the only 'progress' I remember was the guy posting up that he had been raided by the FBI...)
Ah. So you'd rather that these people walk free to continue with their criminal activities after they <i>stole</i> property from Valve, compiled versions of which are now being sold in various places around the world, which willl naturally lead to loss of sales in those areas and causing an increased development time (it <i>was</i> a factor) which could lead lead to further money loss due to disillusioned fans deciding not to buy the game, not to mention the fact that they committed theft of Valve's intellectual property which they were planning to market as a game engine for other developers, but is now available in an uncompiled state on the web? You obviously don't like game developers.
<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>Hooray for long scentences.</span>
Edit: Additionally, I suppose, you'd prefer it that people using computers to electronically transfer funds from other's accounts or to crash large corporate systems or just generally to cause mayhem and money lost should be left to continue with what they are doing? Or perhaps applauded for "fighting the power"?
Ah. So you'd rather that these people walk free to continue with their criminal activities after they <i>stole</i> property from Valve, compiled versions of which are now being sold in various places around the world, which willl naturally lead to loss of sales in those areas and causing an increased development time (it <i>was</i> a factor) which could lead lead to further money loss due to disillusioned fans deciding not to buy the game, not to mention the fact that they committed theft of Valve's intellectual property which they were planning to market as a game engine for other developers, but is now available in an uncompiled state on the web? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: I do not see anything wrong with distributing (or "liberating" as I like to call it) large amounts of code to the public. As long as nothing was actually lost (this would apply to deletion of files, transfer of funds, etc) in said hacking attempts, it is a morally justified crime. Information should be free to all, it is too important of a commodity to be hoarded by anyone, be they person or corporation. Call it theivery, call it piracy, call it what you will. All that is being transfered is a large amount of information, in this case a large amount of information that happens to be a game. It's not the hacker's fault Valve decided to suck and delay the game. If they were confident in their product it shouldn't have mattered anyways. And as for intellectual property rights, they are all bunk. Any idea is obviously not merely the product of any individual, but the society that that individual lived in, that shaped his perceptions, thoughts, and beliefs. Shouldn't then all ideas belong to all of society, to benefit that society and add to it's collective knowledge?
(says the guy wearing the Che Guevara shirt. Hoorah for revolution!)
[edit] Hey! Who you callin psuedo?
Ah. So you'd rather that these people walk free to continue with their criminal activities after they <i>stole</i> property from Valve, compiled versions of which are now being sold in various places around the world, which willl naturally lead to loss of sales in those areas and causing an increased development time (it <i>was</i> a factor) which could lead lead to further money loss due to disillusioned fans deciding not to buy the game, not to mention the fact that they committed theft of Valve's intellectual property which they were planning to market as a game engine for other developers, but is now available in an uncompiled state on the web? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: I do not see anything wrong with distributing (or "liberating" as I like to call it) large amounts of code to the public. As long as nothing was actually lost (this would apply to deletion of files, transfer of funds, etc) in said hacking attempts, it is a morally justified crime. Information should be free to all, it is too important of a commodity to be hoarded by anyone, be they person or corporation. Call it theivery, call it piracy, call it what you will. All that is being transfered is a large amount of information, in this case a large amount of information that happens to be a game. It's not the hacker's fault Valve decided to suck and delay the game. If they were confident in their product it shouldn't have mattered anyways. And as for intellectual property rights, they are all bunk. Any idea is obviously not merely the product of any individual, but the society that that individual lived in, that shaped his perceptions, thoughts, and beliefs. Shouldn't then all ideas belong to all of society, to benefit that society and add to it's collective knowledge?
(says the guy wearing the Che Guevara shirt. Hoorah for revolution!)
[edit] Hey! Who you callin psuedo? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Shut up, smart arse. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And get off your soap-box!
ARREST THAT YOUNG MAN! J/p but yea...watch out...the CIA are watching
/me Covers his head with his coat and runs away...
Ah. So you'd rather that these people walk free to continue with their criminal activities after they <i>stole</i> property from Valve, compiled versions of which are now being sold in various places around the world, which willl naturally lead to loss of sales in those areas and causing an increased development time (it <i>was</i> a factor) which could lead lead to further money loss due to disillusioned fans deciding not to buy the game, not to mention the fact that they committed theft of Valve's intellectual property which they were planning to market as a game engine for other developers, but is now available in an uncompiled state on the web? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: I do not see anything wrong with distributing (or "liberating" as I like to call it) large amounts of code to the public. As long as nothing was actually lost (this would apply to deletion of files, transfer of funds, etc) in said hacking attempts, it is a morally justified crime. Information should be free to all, it is too important of a commodity to be hoarded by anyone, be they person or corporation. Call it theivery, call it piracy, call it what you will. All that is being transfered is a large amount of information, in this case a large amount of information that happens to be a game. It's not the hacker's fault Valve decided to suck and delay the game. If they were confident in their product it shouldn't have mattered anyways. And as for intellectual property rights, they are all bunk. Any idea is obviously not merely the product of any individual, but the society that that individual lived in, that shaped his perceptions, thoughts, and beliefs. Shouldn't then all ideas belong to all of society, to benefit that society and add to it's collective knowledge?
(says the guy wearing the Che Guevara shirt. Hoorah for revolution!)
[edit] Hey! Who you callin psuedo? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're saying that the only thing that was stolen is information, which happened to be a game. WRONG. The potential profits were also stolen.
And you're blaming Valve for "sucking and delaying the game". What, you think they just decided "Hmm, we're in a bad mood today. Let's delay the release of the game by a few months so that the fans get all mad and so we lose lots of money! YAY!".
And you're blaming Valve for "sucking and delaying the game". What, you think they just decided "Hmm, we're in a bad mood today. Let's delay the release of the game by a few months so that the fans get all mad and so we lose lots of money! YAY!". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What I'm saying is that they shouldn't have been trying to make a profit in the first place. Ideas and information are not capitol to be bought and sold, they are more valuable than that. They should belong to EVERYONE, noone making a profit, noone paying for permission to use it.
And I'm not guessing they decided to delay the games in those terms, but I do happen to think it was a very unwise desicion. Most of the people I talked to about HL2 say they will not buy it, simply because they've waited to long for it. If Valve had to release it with some of the leaked sourcecode still in it, then boo-hoo for them. They still would have sold more copies than they will now.
Long answer: I do not see anything wrong with distributing (or "liberating" as I like to call it) large amounts of code to the public.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It doesn't matter <b>what</b> you call it, if it's not yours, and you take it, it's still <b>stealing.</b>
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And you determined this from what? "It's not stealing if nobody gets hurt!" It doesn't work that way.
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AND I'M ABOUT TO BREAK!
Really, please. To call a computer game a source of "information" is an <b>extremely</b> far-fetched stretch. What if the "information" (WHICH SHOULD BE FREE TO ALL!!!!111) was your <b>bank files</b>? Ever heard of "identity theft"? You're saying the act of stealing an identity would be morally acceptable as long as the thief never used the credit card information? You'd be okay with someone out there pretending to be you?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Call it theivery, call it piracy, call it what you will.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay, I'll call it theivery, I'll call it piracy, because that's <b>what it is.</b> Even if you want to "fight the system" and say that <b>all</b> information should be in view of the public, you are stealing the work of a talented individual, or a group of individuals. To put it in extremely simple terms, it would be as if you had a very big news item or event you wished to tell your parents, but a sibling or neighborhood friend told them before you could. In our area, we call it "stealing thunder", because the joy of telling a peer something new is lost.
By hacking and stealing information, you're "stealing thunder" on a much greater scale. To put it mildly.
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You are laughable. Because it's presented to you in a format made in 1's and 0's, you're okay with the theft of it? That's insane. Welcome to the computer world - it's just like the real world, but in a computer. Meaning that if you're not supposed to go into a store and take a computer game off the shelf, you're not supposed to do it in cyberspace, either.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's not the hacker's fault Valve decided to suck and delay the game.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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You HAVE to be kidding me. You're going to say the theft of Half Life 2's source code is acceptable because the release date wasn't met?! Are you KIDDING me? You're willing to steal from somebody because they didn't make it to an appointment?
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What? Do you like your house? Are you confident it will be standing there tomorrow? Good. Can I steal it? What about just live in it?
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Oh yeah, pfft, sure, I mean, come on... who needs those? I mean, it's not like people would be pathetic enough to steal from others... naw, I mean, most people would respect the work put into a product and support it, rather than take it and distribute it to others to "fight the system". I mean, who are you kidding?
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH PUH-LEASE! Were you high when you wrote this? If you want communism, go to a country that is run as a communist country. Write back on how well that's workin for ya, too.
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We. Are. Talking. About. A. GAME. It's not a new experimental drug, or a method of surgery that could save millions, or a new source of food that could feed the world. IT'S A FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT. Do you picture yourself as some sort of Robin Hood or something? You seem so very willing to steal from people in the name of "giving" to others. How about this - and this might be hard for you, since I imagine the reason you steal is due to laziness, and not some bizarre moral code - MAKE YOUR OWN GAME. Yeah, try it. Advertise the game, promote it, box it up with a nice package, put it in its own CD case, and distribute it around the world, FOR FREE. Try it.
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Yes! Crime! Freeing humanity from itself! Wait...
Do you have no talent? Are you going through life with no marketable skills? Do you think texture artists sit on their butts all day doing absolutely nothing - just staring at a screen, and then BOOM, suddenly a texture appears? Absolutely not. Just because the work is done on a computer does not change the fact that only a select few people have the talent to do what texture artists do.
And that's only a portion of what is done in game development. What world do you live in, anyways? A world devoid of talent, drive, motivation? Are you going through life expecting others to do the hard work for you, so you can feed off of it like some parasite, since "all information should be free"? What have <b>you</b> done for the computer world that is comparable to Half Life 2, let alone any other items you may have stolen in the past? Unless in your little world, you don't have to contribute anything...
-I- AM SPARTACUS!!!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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