Small Issue I Noticed With .res Files.

voogru

This is something I've noticed a lot of mappers do, which isnt really needed.

Several times I connected to my server, and downloaded the same file twice during the connection, upon looking in the res file for the map, I've noticed things that are not needed.

For example,

mapname.bsp
model_thats_in_the_map.mdl
sound_thats_in_the_map.mdl

Now, as far as I know, if you use a model, or a sound in a map, The engine precaches the model or sound automagically, any precached resource that a client doesnt have, is sent to the client. And does not need a res file for it to be sent to the client.

Now I dont know if this is a bug with the sv_download url, but I fixed the problem by removing the entries that are not needed in the res file, such as any models/sounds and entries of the mapname.

If I understand correctly, the only thing that the res file will need, is the mini-map, the txt file, and overview files.

I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same thing, to me this is a problem cause its using twice as much bandwidth than it has to.

Just figured I'd post this here and see if I can get any results about it. Replies welcome.

moultano

are non standard wads needed in the res file?

voogru

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Im not entirely sure about .wads, but I dont think they are needed in the res file. Might be worth trying it.


I remember seeing a wad file download twice as well, so I'm thinking the wad files are not needed in the res files.

venomus

What I heard was they (Valve) changed the way res files work somewhere along the line, so even though you don't need the precached resources now, they are still in resfiles which date back before whatever patch it was. And obviously ppl don't realise the change either.

Hibame

No sound is downloaded unless the folder is the same name as the map I belive (iv even had a few instances were event that didnt work). Also a wad wont download unless in the res file and neither will any files that are in special folders. I notice you redownload the map if the auther includes the bsp in the res file (which I think is redundant becouse that alwase downloads unless the server says otherwise). I think that may be right

voogru

I did a check with the wad files, apparently the wads need to be put in the .res file.

Gonna play with it some more and see what happens with sounds.

brute_force

<!--QuoteBegin-voogru+May 19 2004, 02:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (voogru @ May 19 2004, 02:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I did a check with the wad files, apparently the wads need to be put in the .res file.

Gonna play with it some more and see what happens with sounds. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, wads must be in the res file, otherwise you'll get one of those "FATAL ERROR: wadname.wad not found" and then it crashes.

DEADscott

EVERY file associated with the map NEEDS to be in the .res file EXCEPT the .bsp.

If the .bsp file is included in the .res you will download the files twice.

Hibame

I use RESGen it saves a few seconds after each compile and it works nice, just need to add the .res to it so the people download the res file to share

wascally_wabbit

Ya, I've noticed downloading stuff twice... Quite annoying when there's a lot to download.

woody

Here are some examples, Can you tell which ones are correct for use with downloadurl ....a,b,c,d,e or f <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(a)// co_skeetshoot_b14 - created by Hibame
ns2.wad
ns.wad
ns_eclipse.wad
ns_hera.wad
maps/co_skeetshoot_b14.res

(b)// co_tunnel.res - created with RESGen v2.0 BETA 3.
// RESGen is made by Jeroen "ShadowLord" Bogers.
// For more info go to <a href='http://resgen.hltools.com' target='_blank'>http://resgen.hltools.com</a>
// or E-mail me at resgen@hltools.com.
// .res entries (2):
ns.wad
ns2.wad

?// co_alloyv2.res - created with RESGen v2.0 BETA 3.
// RESGen is made by Jeroen "ShadowLord" Bogers.
// For more info go to <a href='http://resgen.hltools.com' target='_blank'>http://resgen.hltools.com</a>
// or E-mail me at resgen@hltools.com.
// .res entries (4):
ns.wad
halflife.wad
ns2.wad
sprites/nsarms5.spr

(d)maps/co_futile.txt
sprites/minimaps/co_futile.spr
sprites/co_futile/yokkoset.spr
sprites/co_futile/slimedrop.spr
sprites/co_futile/messh4x.spr
sprites/co_futile/moths.spr
sprites/co_futile/redglow.spr
overviews/co_futile.tga
overviews/co_futile.txt

(e)maps/co_plague_b4.bsp
maps/co_plague_b4.txt
sounds/co_plague/alienhive.mp3
sounds/co_plague/bighum.mp3
sounds/co_plague/controlroom.mp3
sounds/co_plague/man_computalk2.wav
sounds/co_plague/metalstress.wav
sounds/co_plague/shaft.wav
sounds/co_plague/steamjet1.wav
sprites/minimaps/co_plague_b4.spr

(f)maps/co_secrets_b1.res
maps/co_secrets_b1.txt
maps/co_secrets_b1.bsp
avitar_joins.wad

and why ?

prsearle

(a) Incorrect. The official wads (ns.wad, ns2.wad, ns_eclipse.wad and ns_hera.wad) don't need to be included since everyone has them. Also, it's poor practice to use textures from the map-specific wads - you risk running into problems when the wad changes (as happened with the latest beta patch).
(b) Incorrect. Again, official wads shouldn't be listed.
© Incorrect. As well as listing the official wads, this includes halflife.wad which anyone playing NS will have.
(d) This looks like the correct one, although the overview file isn't required by the mapping guidelines.
(e) Incorrect. The bsp doesn't need to be listed as it will automatically be downloaded. Listing it again means it will be downloaded twice.
(f) Incorrect. Again, the bsp doesn't need to be listed, nor does the res file (the client already has it, else it wouldn't be looking in the res file). Also, the mapping guidelines specify that map-specific textures should be placed in a wad named after the map.

woody

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however a few <span style='color:red'>mappers</span> put out an updated ver. with the same name, so i leave the .bsp in ... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

DEADscott

If a mapper puts out a .bsp with the same name the server WILL NOT download the new one whether its in the .res or not. Then the client will get the dreaded "map differs" error. Thats why new versions of maps should always have a name change.

Hibame

a) was generated with RESGen v2.0 BETA 3 too >.<