Child Abuse
Seph_Kimara
Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
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<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3726143.stm' target='_blank'>Link to Arcticle</a>
<i>A man who was secretly filmed swinging a baby around the room by her legs has escaped a prison sentence.</i>
Now personally, I find this absolutely disgusting. The evidence clearly shows him swinging the child aound and tossing it back onto the chair more than once, and he gets off EXTREMELY lightly, due to him being "under post-traumatic stress". I personally think it is total bull. What the hell kind of deterrent is THAT for people who do this (and even then, there are those who do worse...) Sure, I may not like children, but I'll vehemently fight for the right of any child to have a decent life without things like this happening to them. Bullying, abuse by parents/carers...why should anybody have to go through that? Why should the people doing it get off so lightly? And why is there extremely little done to prevent these things happening in the first place? (or at least, in my experience there never was much done)
Yet people wonder why there's a lack of faith in the justice system...It's really upsetting, considering...
<i>A man who was secretly filmed swinging a baby around the room by her legs has escaped a prison sentence.</i>
Now personally, I find this absolutely disgusting. The evidence clearly shows him swinging the child aound and tossing it back onto the chair more than once, and he gets off EXTREMELY lightly, due to him being "under post-traumatic stress". I personally think it is total bull. What the hell kind of deterrent is THAT for people who do this (and even then, there are those who do worse...) Sure, I may not like children, but I'll vehemently fight for the right of any child to have a decent life without things like this happening to them. Bullying, abuse by parents/carers...why should anybody have to go through that? Why should the people doing it get off so lightly? And why is there extremely little done to prevent these things happening in the first place? (or at least, in my experience there never was much done)
Yet people wonder why there's a lack of faith in the justice system...It's really upsetting, considering...
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So what are you basing your arguement on? That the news told you that after grabbing the child's legs the child was swung around the room? The media has a tendancy to blow things out of proportion, and you saying that the evidence "clearly shows him swinging the child aound and tossing it back onto the chair more than once" would seem to be contradictory to your next statement that this part of the video was not shown. This case thus has a lot of question marks over it and if you can't back up your arguement with solid evidence I don't think we're going to be able to have much of a discussion.
Are parents allowed to choose for their children? It's kind of like someone says "I'm swinging my baby around the room to enhance his endurance for fast motion. Also my religion tells me to do this"
Meh, just tell me if you don't want circumcision in this thread and I'll edit.
Personally I think letting people off lightly for any sort of crime because of metal conditions or "stress" is a joke because it doesnt change the fact that they comitted the crime.
Anyway, on with the discussion...
hahahahaha I wont comment on that statement.
The news doesnt blow everything out of proportion, they just cover the same crap until you dont care anymore. Anyhow, If the video was blown out of proportion by the media than the mad would have been aquitted. I agree 100% percent that stress is no excuse for acting out against anyone, especially your kids.
This guy should serve some sort of jail time; you can blame stress on one event, but he had done this before.
So what are you basing your arguement on? That the news told you that after grabbing the child's legs the child was swung around the room? The media has a tendancy to blow things out of proportion, and you saying that the evidence "clearly shows him swinging the child aound and tossing it back onto the chair more than once" would seem to be contradictory to your next statement that this part of the video was not shown. This case thus has a lot of question marks over it and if you can't back up your arguement with solid evidence I don't think we're going to be able to have much of a discussion. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, what they showed was the child reaching out (to be held, presumably) who was then grabbed by the legs and as it started to be pulled up into the air, the video was frozen. Then they showed the child landing back on the chair, followed by a second grabbing a few moments later. This was broadcast between 6am and 6pm. over here, we have watersheds which must be adhered to concerning content (9pm earliest for anything overtly sexual/violent), and even then, this would be considered too disturbing. Unlike the Berg case, it isn't classed as an "international atrocity", and was recorded as evidence of suspected child abuse through a hidden camera. You won't find it anywhere on the internet because it was never publically released.
If the only evidence you can believe in this case and what I'm telling you is seeing the actual video, then well...I'm sorry for being unable to provide it. But this thread isn't specifically about this specific case, either, rather child abuse in general.
As for the comment on blowing it out of proportion, I've yet to see the BBC do that to anything like this. They're pretty fair when it comes to reporting the news, especially domestic stuff.
As for circumcision, that's a hard call...In males it carries a whole lot less potential risk than say...being grabbed by the legs and swung around the room. But still...I personally think it's stupid either way, though that's more due to the fact I find it dumb for a child to be indoctrinated into a religion and their practices when it has no clue what the hell a religion is yet.
Seph, I couldnt stop laughing over those comments made about the BBC. Every single news source has bias. They are all owned by someone, with someone in control of what gets printed. Stuff that they prefer not to think about gets less attention then something that is important to the editor. Major American newsources have a definately detectable bias, but I promise you that bias exists in the BBC.
Same. A good friend of our family (used to play for L.A. Raiders) used to toss me like a good 10 feet in the air too. It was fun <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Are parents allowed to choose for their children? It's kind of like someone says "I'm swinging my baby around the room to enhance his endurance for fast motion. Also my religion tells me to do this"
Meh, just tell me if you don't want circumcision in this thread and I'll edit. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its more punishment to the child NOT to have foreskin removed. My father told me that he feels its something EVERY child should have it done. The infections that are possible with the foreskin remaining are horrible. My dad is a very clean man, yet he was bed-laiden for 3 days recovering from a very bad infection on his privates.
Tell your dad to clean himself better <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I've had no such problems. I was underweight for the procedure when I was born, so my parents decided to forgo it all together, because in this age of modern hygeine, there was really no reason to do it.
More on topic though, parents should have control over their children, and there certainly is a fine line between abuse and tough parenting. I was spanked, and I intend to spank my kids. Was it abuse? No, it was a punishment. Society needs to realize the difference between abuse to harm and a punishment to train. Then you get into the subjective question of "what punishment is justified"... ugh.
It really is quite a sticky topic.