Beta Testing

DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
<div class="IPBDescription">interesting article on Wired</div>I saw <a href='http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,63631,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2' target='_blank'>this</a> interesting article on Wired today. It discusses the trend developers used today to slap the label "beta" on their products and use it as an excuse to not completely test the products. It also examines the other side of the fence where people are claming it can help find bugs and get user input in some cases in etc.

One area I think the article should have covered more was the trend to do this in gaming. It used to just be a problem with mods (can you name 3 mods that are *NOT* using a "Beta" tag in their release? I can't), but now game developers are releasing beta patches too.

Its just nuts. The original concept of beta testing has been lost on people and now they just use this magic greek word (letter, whatever) to save them from the responsibility of owning up to bugs...

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So what do you guys think?

Comments

  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    Well, I think for one this belongs in the discussion forum.

    And 2 that this article (and D00M) has a very good point.

    This is just a mask to hide behind if any problems arise. But I think it's safe. If a peice of software is beta, it's not expected to be perfect and can be patched and patched and people for the most part will not give it a second thought.

    Just look at Steam. It gets out of beta, and was buggy and people hated it.
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    Slapping beta on a piece of software doesn't bother me in the slightest.

    At least not until I'm on a surgery table, getting brain surgery done (cyber implants and such, pretend it's the future), and I see that the Doctor is using "Brain Surgery Assistant v0.8(Beta)"
  • camO_ocamO_o Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28028Members
    i think the irony is starting to suffocate me. it depends on the situation - sometimes companies and mod devs simply can't afford to spend time/money on testing software, or they have due dates to meet. you can't argue that having a wider playerbase doesn't help find more bugs and more quicker, but i for one do not want to pay for a game with tons of show-stopper bugs.
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+May 30 2004, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ May 30 2004, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is just a mask to hide behind if any problems arise. But I think it's safe. If a peice of software is beta, it's not expected to be perfect and can be patched and patched and people for the most part will not give it a second thought. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's exactly the problem. There's no accountability or responsibility for the developers to make solid, stable, functional products anymore.


    And just as a clarification, I don't have a problem with products released as beta that actually are beta. I have a problem with products that would otherwise not be labelled beta being labelled beta simply as a crutch for if things break.
  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    Problem is, everything is beta really. Nothing will ever work fully, there is just too many unknown factors in the world today. The major one still being in windows wakes up on the right side of the bed <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    But factor in video card drivers updating, heck, any driver updating can break a game. Some guy in Japan using a one of akind setup with his sound card/mobo will crash a game.

    But I do agree, if the game has glaring problems, that even Jimmy in 2nd grade could find, and the company says "oh, it was beta, we will fix it", that pisses me off.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <span style='color:white'>***Moved.***</span> I'll read it later when I regained complete conciousness.
  • john_sheujohn_sheu Join Date: 2004-02-26 Member: 26917Members
    That's why I don't really blame Valve for delaying HL2. Imagine what would have happened if they caved to public pressure and put out a "beta" on September 30; none of the jaw-dropping E3 2004 polish would be there.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    Internal bug testing is a costly process, Public betas are an excellent way for companies to use the internet (which is the only reason developers are capable of using the beta system) to
    1. Advertize thier product with little or no actual advertizement funding required (free game for a limited time, who wouldn't download it)
    2. Get the public to do thier bugfinding work for them (less costs all around)
    3. Get the game out as fast as possible, makeing release dates much less worrysome.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But I do agree, if the game has glaring problems, that even Jimmy in 2nd grade could find, and the company says "oh, it was beta, we will fix it", that pisses me off.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I can't think of a professional developer who has done that... I know several mod and opensourse/freeware developers are fond of that tactic, but in thier defence, they aren't making any money off thier software; they might as well never release it and just make sure it works on thier system the way they want it to, then they never have to worry about what little Jimmy can do to it. If a open sourse developer decides to beta the heck out of thier software, I support them in it.

    As far as I am concerned, any time you get free software that doesn't damage your PC you can just be glad you have it and not be concerned that it spent a long time in Beta.
  • NessNess Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10935Members, Reinforced - Onos
    I've always been more concerned with games that should be in beta testing being commercially released. Hearing the horror stories from friends who immediately bought and subscribed to SWG when it came out has really put me on guard when it comes to newly released games.
  • EEKEEK Join Date: 2004-02-25 Member: 26898Banned
    Never buy or play an MMO until at least a year of release. It <b>will</b> suck, and be full of idiots. Planetside, SWG, AO, EVE, all of them were **** games until after lots of patching. Some still are.

    This is the main reason I hated Desert Combat (besides the fact it's just a ****, shallow game). You point out how the game seemed to be made for idiots banned from Counter-Strike and get flamed that 'It's just an alpha', even though it's been in alpha for a year and has changed so much from original alpha, it's no where near considered what the original product was. Furthermore, they started in Alpha, so they can release 100 versions that suck and say "it's only alpha", then do it again for beta.
  • SandstormSandstorm Join Date: 2003-09-25 Member: 21205Members
    [rant]
    As a consumer, it's YOUR responsibility to do the proper research before you purchase the game. The fact that society seems to have forgotten this is beyond me. Remember: just because it's not illegal to sell something doesn't mean you should buy it.
    [/rant]

    The fact they label games as beta or not really doesn't matter. Games seek the extremes of performance, functionality, and compatibility that you just don't see elsewhere. The fun factor, in particular, is very hard to get right, so nothing works better than a hands-on demo before you buy. If you can't get one directly, make use of your "friends" as necessary. Just don't buy the game without trying it, or you'll be sorry.
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