Beyond Good And Evil.

KungFuSquirrel · May 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">Yes, again.</div> Yes, I know I rant about this game in every other post I make. And I know it's been discussed before. But there is <b>no excuse</b> for not owning this game. At 19.99 for all platforms (PC, Xbox, GC, and PS2), everyone should have reason to get at least one copy. I own two - one for GC and one for Xbox, having just finished the GC version and started the Xbox version.

Go to <a href='http://beyondgoodevil.com/us/' target='_blank'>http://beyondgoodevil.com/us/</a>. Watch the intro. Then on the main page, click the "watch the trailer" link.

It is seriously the best game I have ever played, but sadly as a result of being the victim of undermarketing in the shadow of Prince of Persia, it will probably never get the sequel it deserves. Hence why I strongly recommend buying it. Every person I know who has played it has loved it, and as time goes on more and more people talk of its greatness. Maybe if the sales numbers continue Ubi will get smart and let Ancel and co. go full force with a properly marketed BG&E2.

Come on, you all know you want another round of a sexy green-eyed lady who can kick some serious **** with a really big stick. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

raz0r · May 2004

Why did you buy the GC version AND xbox version?
aren't they the same on all platforms, or are you just looking for a challenge(damn XBOX controller gets me every time)

KungFuSquirrel · May 2004

GC control scheme is stellar. Xbox graphics, though, are incredible compared to the GC and PS2 versions. I had the GC version first, though, but after talking to a friend and co-worker (the project lead for what I mention in the next paragraph) who owned the PS2 and Xbox versions (the latter of which he bought after beating the PS2 version and wanting to play it again), he said it was worth it for the graphics alone. I played through the first lighthouse area to confirm this after I got it and yes, he was correct <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Also, I'm working on a contract job involving a PC game with somewhat similar mechanics, so I will probably snag the PC version as well - much of it is for reference material. Though if I get a PS2 and own 3 of the 4 versions, I'll probably shell out for that one, too, to complete the collection - I do collect games as much as I play them. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

Yes, feel free to punch me randomly for a while.

Cold_NiTe · May 2004

Wow, this game owns me.

Maybe I'll get the GC version.

Nemesis_Zero · May 2004

I loved the biggest part of BG&E. The visuals are impressive, the story is heart-warming, the gameplay is fun, and the puzzles are among the best, period.

The last boss, however, is a travesty. Learning movement patterns by heart at insane speeds, especially when playing on the keyboard, can only be described as 'frustrating'. At the end, I simply wiped it off my HD, which is, all things considered, a real pity.

RPG_Jssmfulhud · May 2004

I already praised this game a while ago in another post of someone's and yes... It still is one of the best games I've ever played (aside from Morrowind <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />).

Cold_NiTe · May 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ May 31 2004, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> the story is heart-warming  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Ahhh greaaat. I haven't had a video game story really click for me in a while. Especially not one that was happy in some way shape or form.

Starchy · May 2004

I recently bought the GC version for £17.99 and WHAT a game. This really is a MUST buy for all. No excuses!

Nemesis_Zero · May 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ May 31 2004, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ahhh greaaat. I haven't had a video game story really click for me in a while. Especially not one that was happy in some way shape or form.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Maybe I'd better steer a little back, then. BG&E somehow manages to combine cartooney elements - one of the main personae dramatis is a talking pig - with Gigeresque scare. It works surprisingly well, but if you want a throughoutly 'happy' game, you might be wrong.

Liku · May 2004

I heard about this game, read a review and thought it was great. I didn't buy it though, because I heard it was really short. Anyway, I think I'm getting it now.

Cold_NiTe · May 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ May 31 2004, 02:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ May 31 2004, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ahhh greaaat. I haven't had a video game story really click for me in a while. Especially not one that was happy in some way shape or form. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Maybe I'd better steer a little back, then. BG&E somehow manages to combine cartooney elements - one of the main personae dramatis is a talking pig - with Gigeresque scare. It works surprisingly well, but if you want a throughoutly 'happy' game, you might be wrong.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
OH no, that's not to say I don't like storylines of other natures. I just like good storylines in general anyway. Still sounds interesting though. Perhaps you could give me a good example of giger-esque scare, I might be able to fit this into context?

KungFuSquirrel · May 2004

I finished it in about 12-13 hours, but admittedly I could have done it faster. I didn't get 100% on pearls or animals, though, which I intend to do next time around. Regardless, even for being a fairly short one, it fills the time extremely well.

Nem, I PMed you about your troubles with the final boss. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

Liku · May 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ May 31 2004, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I finished it in about 12-13 hours, but admittedly I could have done it faster. I didn't get 100% on pearls or animals, though, which I intend to do next time around. Regardless, even for being a fairly short one, it fills the time extremely well.

Nem, I PMed you about your troubles with the final boss. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
12-13 hours? That's not really short I guess, same time it took me to beat SS2 the first time through.

KungFuSquirrel · May 2004

Well, again, I could have done it faster. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> But it's still very good use of what time is there.

Liku · May 2004

But it's still pretty long, longer than my REmake experience by a couple of hours.

RPG_Jssmfulhud · May 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ May 31 2004, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, again, I could have done it faster. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> But it's still very good use of what time is there.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
You can get (if you've already played through the game before and know the places) all the pearls and animals and finish the game in under 6 hours... Short, but sweet.

KungFuSquirrel · May 2004

Well, playing through a familiar area again can have that effect. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

There were a few areas I also went back to where I realized I had forgotten things - I had planned to take the time to get all pearls and animals, but then decided I might as well just go ahead and get going on the Beluga. Not a spoiler since I'm so vague <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />.

RPG_Jssmfulhud · May 2004

***SPOILERS***

Oh and what a surprise the moon fighter battle was... Wow... Like I was playing the X-Wing and all those space-sims again... That battle is awesome and I spent much time shooting down the baddies, having Double H tell me to land all the time... But it's so much fun! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Scorpion571 · May 2004

When I first watched the trailer, I thought it was going to be some kind of cool RTS game, but when I found out it wasn't I was like nothx. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

Epidemic · May 2004

Man, today it's really sad you can call 12-13 long <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Nemesis_Zero · May 2004

See it like this, Epidemic: Going to the cinema costs about eight bucks for a two hour movie. BG&E costs 20 bucks, is six times as long as a movie, and pretty much all narrative. What's the better deal?

Marik_Steele · May 2004

KFS, Nem, I trust your experience to answer the following: will it run on my GeForce2?

Monkfish · May 2004

I tried to play it on my old gf4mx and there was no bodys or anything , just a pair of floating eyes floating there bieng all...floaty...

moultano · May 2004

What is the control like? Is it ok on a PC? It looks kinda consolish (w00t for coinage), that's why I ask. I might pick it up.

Sky · May 2004

For anyone who's finished the game and watched the credits, do you think there's gonna be a sequel?

AgentOrange · May 2004

KFS. Chris has this game, ask him what we think about it. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

I actually don't mind it. I had the demo and loved it. I'd have played through the xbox version if the game would save without crashing.

KungFuSquirrel · May 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ May 31 2004, 08:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> For anyone who's finished the game and watched the credits, do you think there's gonna be a sequel?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
There should be, but there likely won't be due to poor initial sales. I just hope the word of mouth sales (spawned by discussions like this) will be enough to show there's demand for this game and for a sequel. It's a damn shame, Ancel and team created a hell of a universe and I'd love to see an extension of it. I mean, I love this game. Now imagine if they got a sequel and trumped it! Oooooh...

@gent: does he not like it, then? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> I don't know if I've talked to him much about it.

moultano: it's a third person platformer, but I think on the PC version you can customize the controls. Nem apparently has some sluggishness on his, but that sounds to be the old keyboard rather than the game <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

For any of you curious about it, there is actually a PC demo that would be a great thing for you to try, even if you are thinking about the console versions. Should be a great intro to the world and style of the game. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

juice · June 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ May 31 2004, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> See it like this, Epidemic: Going to the cinema costs about eight bucks for a two hour movie. BG&E costs 20 bucks, is six times as long as a movie, and pretty much all narrative. What's the better deal?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
lol, me too: comparing the price to the movie theater is ALWAYS how I rationalize my purchase of video games.

Nemesis_Zero · June 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik_Steele @ Jun 1 2004, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> KFS, Nem, I trust your experience to answer the following: will it run on my GeForce2?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I highly doubt it, I'm sorry to say <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

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Concerning the question of PC versions controls: As KFS hinted at, I've had a few *cough* bad experiences with it, but that's at least partly the fault of my equipment. If you do however have the choice, I guess it's always best to try to play such games on the console.

Venmoch · June 2004

Well suprisingly enough I should have a copy wending its way to me through the Royal Mail as we speak <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Tequila · June 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ May 31 2004, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Man, today it's really sad you can call 12-13 long <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Not at all.

Well, KFS, you've persuaded me. I don't often purchase games on word of mouth alone, but considering the price and the praise, I think it's worth a go <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

I'll have to take the GC version, but this means Viewtiful Joe and Eternal Darkness (another seriously underrated game) are going uncompleted <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Beyond Good And Evil.

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