Old Ronnie's Dead.

AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
<div class="IPBDescription">And here we all thought he was a robot.</div> <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/05/reagan.health/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/05/...alth/index.html</a>

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Former President Ronald Reagan died Saturday at his home in Los Angeles. He was 93.

Reagan led a conservative revolution that set the economic and cultural tone of the 1980s, hastened the end of the Cold War and revitalized the Republican Party. He suffered from Alzheimer's disease since at least late 1994.

At least two of his children and his wife, Nancy, were at his bedside, according to the former president's Los Angeles office.

Ron Reagan Jr. and Patty Davis -- children from his current marriage to Nancy Davis Reagan -- were with him at his home in the Bel Air district of Los Angeles, the office said.

It was unclear whether Michael Reagan, his adopted son from his first marriage to actress Jane Wyman, was at his side. Maureen Reagan, his daughter from that marriage, died of brain cancer in 2001.

Reagan's body is to lie in state at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, and at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., before his burial at the library.

President Bush was informed of Reagan's death while in Paris, where he is on tour to honor the heroes of World War II on the weekend of the 60th anniversary of the D-Day invasion.

The White House lowered its flag to half-staff after the news. Bush planned to issue a recorded statement later.

Michael Reagan released a statement soon after his father's death.

"I pray that as America reflects on the passing of my Dad, they will remember a man of integrity, conviction and good humor that changed America and the world for the better," Michael Reagan said. "He would modestly say the credit goes to others, but I believe the credit is his."

Reagan was praised by presidential historian Robert Dallek.

"He restored a kind of confidence in the presidency, and a better mood in the United States about politics and politicians and about the presidency," Dallek said.

Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of New York also released a statement.

"Whether you agreed or disagreed with Ronald Reagan, you can't deny he was honest, fought hard for what he believed in, and had the courage of his convictions. He will be remembered as one of our finer presidents," Schumer said.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I wonder if this means they'll be showing that CBS movie now?

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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    Too bad, I kinda like reagan, in spite of the whole right wing president making the rich richer and the poor poorer thing.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Eh, the Richer Richer, Poorer Poorer thing is the Poor people's fault anyway.

    I was sad to hear him die- american presidents should be a respected lot, whether you like them or not.
  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Eh, the Richer Richer, Poorer Poorer thing is the Poor people's fault anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If that wasn't so utterly laughable it would be inflamatory.
  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    Poor guy, we'll all miss him. The saddest part was he had no idea who anyone was for the past four years. Damn alzheimer's.

    Bye Reagan, we'll miss you <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jun 5 2004, 04:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jun 5 2004, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Eh, the Richer Richer, Poorer Poorer thing is the Poor people's fault anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If that wasn't so utterly laughable it would be inflamatory. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its not speaking out of turn, its speaking from experience. My family came from the "Poorest of the Poor"- streets and the such. My dad just got up off his ****, stopped relying on Welfare, and got himself somewhere. I can understand in places like Downtown L.A., because of the gang violence, but its not that hard to move outta there either.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 5 2004, 06:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 5 2004, 06:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jun 5 2004, 04:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jun 5 2004, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Eh, the Richer Richer, Poorer Poorer thing is the Poor people's fault anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If that wasn't so utterly laughable it would be inflamatory. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its not speaking out of turn, its speaking from experience. My family came from the "Poorest of the Poor"- streets and the such. My dad just got up off his ****, stopped relying on Welfare, and got himself somewhere. I can understand in places like Downtown L.A., because of the gang violence, but its not that hard to move outta there either. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And you say that as a black man trying to get a home loan in America? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    In any case, he was getting old, and had been sick for a very long time. Alzheimer?s is a terrible way for anyone to have to go.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 5 2004, 07:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 5 2004, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jun 5 2004, 04:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jun 5 2004, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Eh, the Richer Richer, Poorer Poorer thing is the Poor people's fault anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If that wasn't so utterly laughable it would be inflamatory. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its not speaking out of turn, its speaking from experience. My family came from the "Poorest of the Poor"- streets and the such. My dad just got up off his ****, stopped relying on Welfare, and got himself somewhere. I can understand in places like Downtown L.A., because of the gang violence, but its not that hard to move outta there either. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, the whole concept is that that kind of thing becomes harder to do. There is only so much money in the world, and if the rich people have more of it, then there is less to go around for the poor people. No one is arguning that a hard working person can't make better for themself, but the fact is, when the rich don't HAVE to pay you more money they won't, and that makes it harder for everyone but them.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jun 5 2004, 05:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jun 5 2004, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 5 2004, 07:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 5 2004, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jun 5 2004, 04:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jun 5 2004, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Eh, the Richer Richer, Poorer Poorer thing is the Poor people's fault anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If that wasn't so utterly laughable it would be inflamatory. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its not speaking out of turn, its speaking from experience. My family came from the "Poorest of the Poor"- streets and the such. My dad just got up off his ****, stopped relying on Welfare, and got himself somewhere. I can understand in places like Downtown L.A., because of the gang violence, but its not that hard to move outta there either. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, the whole concept is that that kind of thing becomes harder to do. There is only so much money in the world, and if the rich people have more of it, then there is less to go around for the poor people. No one is arguning that a hard working person can't make better for themself, but the fact is, when the rich don't HAVE to pay you more money they won't, and that makes it harder for everyone but them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thats just it- Rich people have expenses too. There is only so much money in the world, but they gotta pay people to do things for them. People don't get rich doing something stupid.
  • GadzukoGadzuko Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Members, Constellation
    As much as I love reading a good debate, let's try and keep this on topic, hmmm? No point going and getting this topic locked.
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    I am shocked at this simply because I was under the impression Reagen died like 10 years ago....
  • DrSuredeathDrSuredeath Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8217Members
    edited June 2004
    My condolences to a great idealistic man performing one of the toughest job on Earth, suffering from the terrible disease. May his soul rest in peace now.

    That being said, he's still a lousy lucky president who happened to be in a time of change.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    A salute for Ronald Reagan. A great President however you look at his policies. Sorry a good man had to go like that.
  • KungFuSquirrelKungFuSquirrel Basher of Muttons Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    No other man could have starred opposite a monkey and then preceded one by a couple terms in office. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    But yes, even if you didn't like him (I personally am too young to pass any judgement, though he seemed a good man at heart), it marks a somber occasion when the former ruler of any nation dies - It's still a part of history going with him.

    And Quaunaut, I recommend taking a few sociological study courses, particularly college level, and then coming back and describing your findings. "The poor" as a whole are not to blame. Some individuals are. Most are not. And the thing is, this isn't just the poor getting poorer. The entire middle class is disappearing, meaning that the upper levels of the middle class are running off to join their posh friends while most of the middle class slowly falls down into lower and lower income levels. It's not a little falling off on one end while a little gains on the other end - it's <b>total</b> polarization. Imagine pulling a piece of silly putty. You start with a nice even distribution, but the more you pull, the weaker and smaller the middle becomes, until it breaks and disappears into a small wisp. Now imagine in one hand you have significantly more than the other. The one that ends up with the most silly putty represents the polarization towards the 'poor' category. This is <i>not</i> the fault of the poor.

    But yes, this is not the place for this discussion. My apologies, but I had been considering a sociology minor at one point and this area is of particular casual interest to me.

    And there I had been hoping to see 7 living active and former presidents by January. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> I remember long ago there was a big deal about having 5 former presidents still living.

    Wait, Ford is still alive, isn't he? That should be a joke, but it's not. I honestly can't recall.
  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    Ford's still alive and kicking.
  • KungFuSquirrelKungFuSquirrel Basher of Muttons Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Better than falling. *zing*

    I suppose I should have stuck to my assumption as such, judging by the media coverage of Nixon and now Reagan, I'd have remembered such an event. So I'll assume (from now on) a policy of "living until proven dead."
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    What exactly does Alzheimer’s do to you?
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    Frys your memory to hell. You can't remember your name, other people's names, anything. Don't know what actually causes them to die, but they are practically not alive for the last year of thier life anyways.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Jun 6 2004, 12:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Jun 6 2004, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What exactly does Alzheimer?s do to you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The basic process as best as I can paraphrase it is as follows:

    As we know, our brains are made up of billions of interlinking brain cells or <b>"Neurons"</b>, the funny thing about these cells is that they connect to one another through branches called <b>"Dendrites"</b> (which neurons have several of and use for recieving information) and an <b>"Axon"</b> (which neurons only have one of and is used to send information). However the axon of one neuron and the dendrite of another neuron <i>never actually touch</i>, there is a small gap between them called a synapse.

    But the two neurons are <b>still</b> able to communicate, because the axon releases key enzymes (proteins that cause things to happen in your body) that exit the tip of the axon, travel across the synapse and enter the dendrite. They then bond chemically with receptor sites within the dendrite and trigger a reaction that is decoded as a message and then travels down this new neuron till it reaches ANOTHER synapse. (Then the process repeats.)

    Surrounding each axon and each dendrite is another type of cell, called a <b>"Schwann Cell"</b>, its function is to protect the dendrite or axon it surrounds and prevent the information being sent from escaping. When a schwann cell is wrapped around a dendrite or an axon it is reffered to as a <b>"Mylein Sheath"</b> because of its protective nature and the chemicals that compose its own cellular infrastructure. However, over time they began to decay and give off harmful biomatter. This matter is only harmful in that it can get in the way of transmissions sent from one nueron to another, and can thus be labeled as a neurotoxin. However these particles are usually disposed of regularly.

    <b>"Alzheimer's Disease"</b> causes the Mylein sheath of many many nuerons to decay at a faster rate and give off particles that are not disposed of but rather; adhere together and form much larger and much more dangerous particles which <i>block synapses completely</i>, effectively making nuerons useless when the one and only axon is blocked. When a nueron becomes blocked in this way, it dies. Since this is widespread throughout the brain. Many nuerons throughout the brain, <u>indeed many regions of the brain</u> (all known to have different functions) are weakened and sometimes even rendered useless.

    The subject has a massive loss of memory, and is often subject to regression; where they reverse their own mental age as they are unable to comprehend the fact that they have lived longer than they can remember. Many become nonfunctional and lose the use of parts of their body related to the areas of their brains that are most affected.

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    Okay perhaps Ronald Reagan isn't your most favorite person in the world, guys. If nothing else, give him respect for suffering through such a debilitating and humiliating disease.

    P.S. Forgive me if I messed up on something, but I'm not exactly copying this from a textbook, it's all I can remember from what I've seen of this disease.
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> i feel sorry for the guy
  • UZiUZi Eight inches of C4 between the legs. Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13767Members
    edited June 2004
    If you could die, knowing you made the world a better place. His life, is folfilled



    "He is danceing with god now."

    Ronald Wilson Reagan
    1911-2004

    Today I cried.
  • ScinetScinet Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12489Members, Constellation
    It's always sad when someone dies, but it must have been something of a relief too after suffering from Alzheimer's for a decade. Anyway, the following quote made me smile:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of New York also released a statement.

    "Whether you agreed or disagreed with Ronald Reagan, you can't deny he was honest, fought hard for what he believed in, and had the courage of his convictions. He will be remembered as one of our finer presidents," Schumer said.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I can deny he was honest. Heck, the whole Iran-Contra affair was something to get impeached for, yet nobody got hurt because everybody lied. There's some integrity for you.

    ---

    And Quaunaut, you do realize it's not possible for everyone to be rich, or even well off, or actually even belong in the middle class?
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jun 5 2004, 06:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jun 5 2004, 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 5 2004, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Eh, the Richer Richer, Poorer Poorer thing is the Poor people's fault anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If that wasn't so utterly laughable it would be inflamatory. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You stole my words.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Some might have noticed that I did so far not respond to this. It's for a simple reason: What I have to say about the man is not fit for this occasion. I'd like to ask everyone to belay a discussion of his political achievements for a few weeks to avoid hurt feelings.

    For today, I hope that a man who suffered from a terrible disease will be able to rest in peace.
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