Is America Overweight?
reasa
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<div class="IPBDescription">Is this really a problem?</div> This is from the "Anyone but Bush" topic, didn't want to sidetrack it too much.
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Jun 5 2004, 12:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Jun 5 2004, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A nation that's killing itself by eating too much is a nation of morons... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(Reasa)The only morons are the ones who think we're killing ourselves by eating too much. Stupid media and its ability to blow the stupidest things way out of proportion.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Jun 5 2004, 12:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Jun 5 2004, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
I guess that's what you say if you're fat and don't want to own up to your problem. Obesity is about to pass smoking as the number one preventable cause of heart disease, and you blow it off as liberal media? Let's see, an addictive drug vs. eating too much, which is dumber to die from. We are FAT damn it, too fat for our own health and WAY too fat considering how many people are starving in other countries. A world where people die from eating too much right next to people not eating enough, the answer seems pretty clear to me..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(Reasa)One, I'm skinny, to the point of unhealthiness, this makes me rather unsympathetic to the poor over eaters. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Two, I did not blow it off as "liberal" media, I simply said media, don't put words in my mouth. You have no idea how incredibly annoying it is to have this "America is Fat", "We are all fat, and we're going to die because of it!" garbage shoved in my face. Speak for yourself, honestly people CAN control their weight, there are some that are born that way and what can you do? If someone is too stupid to not realize they are eating too much they deserve to be fat, it's not that hard to stay in shape.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well that?s the argument as it stands now. Do you think obesity is really as much of a problem as the media makes it out to be? Or do you think its taking some peoples laziness and lack of self control to far?
Edit: TIME featured most of this weeks issue on this very subject.
<a href='http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040607/' target='_blank'>http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040607/</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Jun 5 2004, 12:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Jun 5 2004, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A nation that's killing itself by eating too much is a nation of morons... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(Reasa)The only morons are the ones who think we're killing ourselves by eating too much. Stupid media and its ability to blow the stupidest things way out of proportion.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Jun 5 2004, 12:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Jun 5 2004, 12:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
I guess that's what you say if you're fat and don't want to own up to your problem. Obesity is about to pass smoking as the number one preventable cause of heart disease, and you blow it off as liberal media? Let's see, an addictive drug vs. eating too much, which is dumber to die from. We are FAT damn it, too fat for our own health and WAY too fat considering how many people are starving in other countries. A world where people die from eating too much right next to people not eating enough, the answer seems pretty clear to me..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->(Reasa)One, I'm skinny, to the point of unhealthiness, this makes me rather unsympathetic to the poor over eaters. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Two, I did not blow it off as "liberal" media, I simply said media, don't put words in my mouth. You have no idea how incredibly annoying it is to have this "America is Fat", "We are all fat, and we're going to die because of it!" garbage shoved in my face. Speak for yourself, honestly people CAN control their weight, there are some that are born that way and what can you do? If someone is too stupid to not realize they are eating too much they deserve to be fat, it's not that hard to stay in shape.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well that?s the argument as it stands now. Do you think obesity is really as much of a problem as the media makes it out to be? Or do you think its taking some peoples laziness and lack of self control to far?
Edit: TIME featured most of this weeks issue on this very subject.
<a href='http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040607/' target='_blank'>http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040607/</a>
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I wouldn't blame it on intelligence, rather a fast pace culture that allows little free time for some people. Most jobs now require employees to work overtime. I have seen people putting 60 hour weeks in, and those are short weeks. This leaves little time for oneself and their family. To top it off, a lot of these jobs just have you sitting in a chair all day. Fast food also plays a big rule in this, a lot of these people working do not take the time to pack a lunch; rather they go ot to mcdonalds.
I think that the US gets a bad wrap because we are a fast paced nation and we like our food the same way as our lifestyle (fast).
I've heard many forigners steriotype Americans as McDonalds eating fat lazy people.
Altho I did just get back from a concert with a lot of fat people that would kinda proove that...
(I've got somthing scientific to say based on my observations at the concert but will keep my mouth shut, for now...)
Yes, there are McDonald's in Germany, but not as many as here, which is a good representation of how many people go and eat there. In the city where I came from, there were 3 McDonalds, and I hear that one shut down lately. That city has 180,000 inhabitants. Also, McDonalds and BurgerKing are pretty much the only fast food restaurants you see there, there is no Chickfila, no Subway, no Denny's and no Steak'n'Shake.
When I drive through the streets here, half the buildings I see are fast-food restaurants. And somehow, those places have to have a steady flow of customers, otherwise they would not survive, would they?
And the number one consumed beverage is mineral water. Not sodas.
As I see it, there is a little truth in the stereotype that you mentioned, however, it would be very irrational the generalize on all Americans.
Ordering a salad doesn't take any more time than ordering fries or a hamburger.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Fully two-thirds of U.S. adults are officially overweight, and about half of those have graduated to full-blown obesity.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's some serious **** right there. I think the debate about whether Americans are abnormally overweight can be concluded at this point, and we can move onto the what-to-do-about-it / is-it-a-problem questions.
OK, I think the statistics speak for themselves. A LOT of Americans are fat or on their way to becoming fat. We as Americans are pretty damn lazy. I'm skinny as hell too, I'm just saying in general we are fatter than other countries.
I mean, look at what I'm doing right now. I bet, if it were possible to measure it, that American teens spend WAY more time online or playing video games than any other country.
Frankly, if the media didn't report this, it'd be irresponsible of them. We need to know how over the top we're going with the eating. Maybe with a little public support McDonalds, Buger King, Wendy's, etc will makeover their menus. Or maybe we'll all just wise up and stop eating there.
Btw, McDonalds' salads have more fat than a cheeseburger. So it's not just a question of picking the right item to eat, the entire establishment needs to be changed.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Fully two-thirds of U.S. adults are officially overweight, and about half of those have graduated to full-blown obesity.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's some serious **** right there. I think the debate about whether Americans are abnormally overweight can be concluded at this point, and we can move onto the what-to-do-about-it / is-it-a-problem questions. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are all ready plenty of ways to combat obesity, ranging from the ever effective, eating healthy and exercising every so often, to low carb diets and expensive trainers. I myself have never been overweight and contribute to the fact that I have almost always been a healthy eater, not a dieter, because there is a big difference between eating healthy and dieting. Also I have always kept a little bit of exercise in my weekly routine, hardly allot of work, but I think it's what has kept me skinny.
Then I think you have to consider whether or not being overweight is really such a horribly bad thing. Our society is so warped that even people who are slightly over weight think there’re ugly or something is wrong with them and it has to be fixed. Of course things like TIME's article don't help ether. It is to my knowledge that people know what well make them fat. You don't sit down at Mc. Donald’s and order 3 Bacon Double Cheese Mc Burgers, large fries, and a gallon of soda, and not know that it isn't healthy for you.
Perhaps we should stop dealing with it as if it were some disease that some poor unfortunate souls caught from not washing their hands. It's not an "epidemic of obesity" it's and epidemic of bad decisions, lazy people, and a flawed society.
Btw, McDonalds' salads have more fat than a cheeseburger. So it's not just a question of picking the right item to eat, the entire establishment needs to be changed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hate to double post, but this came up as I was typing the last.
I will agree that if the media ignored it, it would be very irresponsible of them, but at this point I think their over reporting it, and gross generalizations like "America is fat", "All Americans are fat", "America is a nations of fat people", really make me, and I'm sure other people mad.
I also do agree that these fast food restaurants if they wish to stay open should be forced to meet much higher standards. If government forced mandates is what it will take then so be it, but realize that they may not be so "fast" and cheap anymore, it would be a trade off. Again allot of the responsibility falls on the people themselves, no one forces you to eat that crap, and there are alternatives.
Subway for example (I hate to seem like an advertisement) has some rather healthy choices in comparison with other fast food places. Also of the big 3 I find Wendy’s to be the least unhealthy, but that’s just my personal opinion.
This is a goad for Americans, now its true that Americans are overweight then most nations but it's a nationality trait, for good or bad, that'd be my dad speaking and I agree with him.
For example, most people believe that Japan is full of skinny guys that are ninjas and are extremely intelligence.
For example again, most people believe Africa is full of primitive tribes without food or medicine.
For example yet again, most people think that France is a romantic nation and that they are cowards, guess what? Its not. (So sick of the anti French movement in America, "Freedom Fries" thats quite some disrespect for an ally)
Every nation has it's nationality traits, since America is a super power and that the trait is a bad one most people will flogg Americans to death with it, true that Americans are pampered the most but it came from our usurping of power and when times of war come yet again Americans will wisen up. . . hopefully.
I have nothing else to say in this topic and will now depart.
Maybe the media went a little overboard with the reporting, but one other quality of Americans is that we are rather stubborn. We have our American lifestyle and we don't want anyone to take it away. It takes a massive shock to get us to change our habits, or so I've seen anyway.
I don't think being stubborn has anything to do with this. Let's get our definitions right.
Stubborn: "I saw this parking space before you did and I'll be damned if I let you take it"
Lazy:I've been eating greasy food my all life, and I'll be damned if I can be bothered to change my diet and get some excercise"
It all boils down to media changing some images and priorities. In other news: MTV refused to air that new anti-fast food document series(which name escapes me right now, Big me?).
As much as I hate MTV I can't disagree with them on not airing an anti-fast food series. I do think these places should be forced to increase the quality of their food, but no matter what the responsibility still falls upon the people.
Ronald Mc Donald doesn’t grab you off the street pull you into a dark ally and beat you until you eat a hamburger. People need to change along with the distributors.
Edit: Heres the link <a href='http://www.dtheatre.com/read.php?sid=2409' target='_blank'>http://www.dtheatre.com/read.php?sid=2409</a>
It's called "Super Size Me"
I don't think being stubborn has anything to do with this. Let's get our definitions right.
Stubborn: "I saw this parking space before you did and I'll be damned if I let you take it" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stubborn: "I bought this Hummer and I'll be damned if I let an oil shortage keep me from driving it."
Stubborn: "I've grown accustomed to seeing America as the sole Superpower in the world and I'll be damned if any other country is gonna boss us around."
Stubborn: "I've grown accustomed to eating whatever I want and I'll be damned if mere proven facts will make me change my habits."
I'm not saying that everyone's obesity is preventable, because unfortunately some people can help it either because of genetics or their money situation, but the lack of willpower to diet/exercise = lack of determination = acquiescing to your situation. If you let it happen to you in the face of facts stating that it's unhealthy, then you're just being stubborn and resistant to change.
So eating fast food and not changing you eating habit because it would require too much work makes you lazy.
England's diet is changing to become more 'american' so our waistlines are as well. I can't really talk because I eat loads of junk (but I have a super high metabolism, I couldn't put on weight if I tried, lots of my mates are the same too).
Just enjoy the hedonism while it lasts, I'm sure it will change soon enough.
[figures for this are approximate... but it makes a good point]
<!--QuoteBegin-a name i can't remember+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (a name i can't remember)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I find it ironic that one fifth of the American population is obese, yet one fifth of the worlds population is starving to death...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
read it in an article the other day... just thought i'd share with you
We do have a lot of "overweight" people in this nation. It should come as no surprise. We produce a lot of food...
"According to the 2002 survey from the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) National Agricultural Statistics Service, there are more than 941 million acres used for farming in the U.S. with the average farm size being 436 acres."
"In 1935, there were 6.8 million farms in the United States, and the average farmer produced enough food to feed 20 people. In 2002, the number of farms was estimated to be 2.16 million, and the average U.S. farmer produced enough food each year to feed more than 100 people. In addition to providing an abundant food supply for domestic markets, crops from nearly one-third of U.S. farm acreage are exported to overseas customers."
<a href='http://www.ific.org/food/agriculture/index.cfm' target='_blank'>http://www.ific.org/food/agriculture/index.cfm</a>
It's definitely not all there is to it, but it does set the ground work.
I mean, if we had the food production capacity of Australia, we would most definitely not eat this way...among other things.
You <b>are</b> aware that a "carb" isn't a unit of measurement? No? Didn't think so.
<!--QuoteBegin-AU-Scorpion+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AU-Scorpion)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We do have a lot of "overweight" people in this nation. It should come as no surprise. We produce a lot of food...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You <b>are</b> aware that it is possible to export food? This point you made is totally irrelevant.
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think that the US gets a bad wrap because we are a fast paced nation and we like our food the same way as our lifestyle (fast).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...Correct me if I'm wrong but being fast and fat are pretty much mutually exclusive.
Most of this thread I've seen Americans defending their fatness because "WE'RE AMERICANS GODDAMNIT! YEAH! UNF! THE FRENCH SUCK!".
My theory is that Americans are getting fatter because it's just the easiest way out. The path of least resistance if you will. People aren't willing to spend time and energy on making themselves healthy food and doing exercise. I'm not promoting myself as some kind of mountaintop guru that eats nothing but goat's cheese and sprints twice around the Himalayas every morning but I don't eat fast food if I can avoid it. I eat plenty of fruit and <a href='http://www.google.com.au/search?q=define%3Ayogurt&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=' target='_blank'>yogurt</a>, I cook my own meals and I ride to university every morning on my pushbike. This seems to be enough to keep my body running fine. I'm a healthy 62KG for my height.
Your body is a tool of your mind. And, like any tool, you should keep it properly maintained.
--Scythe--
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Are <b>are</b> aware that it is possible to export food? This point you made is totally irrelevant.
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think that the US gets a bad wrap because we are a fast paced nation and we like our food the same way as our lifestyle (fast).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...Correct me if I'm wrong but being fast and fat are pretty much mutually exclusive.
Most of this thread I've seen Americans defending their fatness because "WE'RE AMERICANS GODDAMNIT! YEAH! UNF! THE FRENCH SUCK!".
My theory is that Americans are getting fatter because it's just the easiest way out. The path of least resistance if you will. People aren't willing to spend time and energy on making themselves healthy food and doing exercise. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes we can export this food, but it follows a logical chain of thought that a country that produces allot of food has allot of food to eat.
Perhaps you should read this thread again, I have yet to see anyone go "Unf! Back up Frenchie!" Although there is nothing wrong with that point of view. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Stop over generalizing, not all Americans are fat, it's this over generalization that really makes me mad. The responsibility lies with the individual, not with the nation.
You can't take this as a "this country is fatter then this country" issue, its not.
You can't take this as a "this country is fatter then this country" issue, its not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If more than two thirds of American adults are fat then it's a pretty safe assumption that the average American is fat. Not an over-generalisation at all. If this offends you just assume that whenever I mention "American" in this thread I actually mean "Overweight person living in America" . Though I did fabricate that french bit. ^_^
And I didn't mention another country.
--Scythe--
<!--QuoteBegin-Times+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Times)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Fully two-thirds of U.S. adults are officially overweight, and about half of those have graduated to full-blown obesity.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Any one wana say what overweight/obesity ACTUALY MEAN?
Fun note:
Technicaly my housemates and I are a perfect sample
I am over weight
One housemate is 'ideal' (aka so skiny he can't give blood)
one house mate is overweight and technicaly obease.
Thats 2/3rds over weight, and 1/2 of those obease
overweight != unhealthy.
The 'ideal' weight doesn't mean that any one outside that range is in a horible state of health.
I weigh 200 some odd lbs (no scale, and my eating habits have changed alot as of late) and am like 5'9'', thats over weight. My colestral levels are fine, I was actualy more active when I weighed more (being in podunk ohio makes my execise consist of walking to and from work). My yearly checkups tell me I am 'fine', I could deal with loosing some weight, but it aint realy an issue. I do have one issue from it and that is that I have minor joint problems, probably steming from my weight.
So technicaly, I am one of those 'overweight' adults (at 21 I say I count). so what?
As for a few other things:
<!--QuoteBegin- Dr.SureDeath+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ( Dr.SureDeath)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When their last hope of combating obesity is Atkin's diet, you know something is wrong with Americans' diets. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
not last, just latest.
We are a culture that is OSESED with dieting and loosing weight.
Atkins is a fad, no more, no less. We have gone through inumerbale ones, and we will go through more.
Atkins is some what larger, I believe b/c it has a simple 'concept', aka cut carbs. So alot of people go into it half arsed, when in actuality that will do nothing (as you will not go into ketosis)
but atkins is just thread jacking.
<!--QuoteBegin-Scythe+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scythe)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You are aware that a "carb" isn't a unit of measurement? No? Didn't think so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes it is. It refers to the numbers of grams of carbs in something. (remember, language is mutable)
<!--QuoteBegin-Scythe+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scythe)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Correct me if I'm wrong but being fast and fat are pretty much mutually exclusive.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thats just being silly, and intentionaly misreading a post. He was refering to a fast paced culture (aka, the NY minute?)
I am not saying that a faced paced culture is an excuse or anytihng (and you can eat a salad just as fast a a BigMac Meal. (and I like em both)
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Btw, McDonalds' salads have more fat than a cheeseburger. So it's not just a question of picking the right item to eat, the entire establishment needs to be changed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't pick and choose facts. Some of them do, some of them don't. They have no fat dressings, they have ones with little/no cheese etc.
So, untill some one can show me proof that we are all DANGEROUSLY overweight, that the rest of the world isn't, and that I am gona die at age 40, I don't care <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
oh, and please show me real data if you can find it, I would love to see it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I actually left after I saw that...
You can't smoke indoors in my city for a variety of reasons, the largest is that it's offensive to others that don't smoke. Why are wideassed cows allowed to remain fat, when it's offensive to those that AREN'T?
Primary for no smoking laws is b/c it it poisons the people around you.
Primary for public nudity is b/c of silly morals.
If we ban fat people whats next?
do I get to sue/fine you for being fuggly?
do I get to sue/fine you for being fuggly? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ding ding ding, well said.
in case a plane crashes... then we get to eat them first.
Honestly it is a lifestyle choice... just like being homosexual or getting body piercings to hang off your roof. if they want to live with having to take a break every 10 yards they walk, thats their choice. You cant just make exclusions.
If they are to much of an eyesore for you, just think of them as a reminder to work out.