Please, Fix Ns_bast
Cpt_Krunch
Join Date: 2003-08-22 Member: 20077Members
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Teleporting to Feedwater is impossible because of this; it isn't a map problem (unless there actually IS a problem with not being able to teleport from there...) as far as i know. It's a programming problem (MC's dont teleport you between hives in sequence, which IMO, they should.)
Bast always was "atmosphere > ballance" , many small ballance issues for aliens and marines depending on the starting hive (and location to location distances) but a teasing atmosphere.
Play it to show how good ns looks and feels, but not in clanmatches.
That might cause the server to crash, or something stupid like that. Or maybe MC's wouldn't work at all. Who knows. I can't see a map being balanced when the hives form an equilateral triangle, though. Where does marine start go?
Bast is also my favourite map and the maker of it was driven away by people insulting it. i want him back. i want the special effects and the easter eggs put back in too.
I think there are some maps that let you teleport to all three hives. Dunno how it's done though.
Bast is funny. If the aliens start in feedwater, they get sieged from tram, if they start in engine, you can siege a lot of the hive room with a TF in marine start. Totally unbalanced.
make us a better one then....
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yeah, because if you can't do it better, you're not allowed to opine at all!
anyway, bast truly is horrible. two of the hives (Feedwater, engine) are barely even rooms. they're difficult to navigate, confusing to newbies, have poorly-designed layouts for base building, and etc.
then you have refinery... it's like the mapper ran out of ideas.. "uh... I'll just make one really big room!"... ok....
the marine spawn is even more stupid... long elevator/ladders to get out, or slow-moving revolving door... take your pick, just don't expect to get anywhere quickly.
then there's that vent.. argh.
I wish the map was never remade... I was happy when it was gone.
I've seen many a server empty-out going from good maps like eclipse, tanith, etc, to bast.
it's hard to play, plays poorly, etc. ::sigh::
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yeah, because if you can't do it better, you're not allowed to opine at all!
anyway, bast truly is horrible. two of the hives (Feedwater, engine) are barely even rooms. they're difficult to navigate, confusing to newbies, have poorly-designed layouts for base building, and etc.
then you have refinery... it's like the mapper ran out of ideas.. "uh... I'll just make one really big room!"... ok....
the marine spawn is even more stupid... long elevator/ladders to get out, or slow-moving revolving door... take your pick, just don't expect to get anywhere quickly.
then there's that vent.. argh.
I wish the map was never remade... I was happy when it was gone.
I've seen many a server empty-out going from good maps like eclipse, tanith, etc, to bast.
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First of all: know what the hell you're talking about.
ns_bast was remade by popular demand, so obviously you're just a minority that thinks this. Second of all, ns_bast is being CHANGED for beta 5. If you would atleast research a bit you would find out that a) the revolving door is gone, b) MS has been moved down so there's no more elevator either, c) Engine has been moved so it cannot be sieged from Marine Start, it also has 2 entrances now. Some of my most fun games have been in ns_bast - it may not be the most balanced map, but it certainly is the most atmospheric and also the most fun.
Also, before bashing someone's map, you should think for just one second. Relic25 spent a long time making ns_bast. The remake team spent a long time remaking ns_bast. They also thought about many different ways to balance it. So before you flaming someone's map, think about how hard they worked on it and try to be more understanding. If you don't like the map, you're not forced to play it at all.
And for the record, Relic25 left because of personal reasons in real life.
<!--QuoteBegin-typical skeleton+Jun 10 2004, 01:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (typical skeleton @ Jun 10 2004, 01:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->then you have refinery... it's like the mapper ran out of ideas.. "uh... I'll just make one really big room!"... ok....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A small room then? A corridor? A void of space? Maybe we can sculpt a room out of your BS and show it off to the neighbors. Go back to your animal roots and stick your head in the ground like an ostridge.
Excuse me? No. Go tell that to Relic25. Or how about Mendasp or any of the others doing the bast remake. Bast is NOT, as you so eloquently put it, "atmosphere > balance". If you honestly think that, you need to be beat.
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Maybe you could make the hives Equadistant
That might cause the server to crash, or something stupid like that. Or maybe MC's wouldn't work at all. Who knows. I can't see a map being balanced when the hives form an equilateral triangle, though. Where does marine start go?
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It won't 'cause the server to crash, mostly, because hives aren't exactly the same distance between each other. You'd really have to TRY to make it like that in order to get them equidistant. Additionally, if a server WERE to crash if hives were equidistant, then based on your little theory, servers should be crashing all the time right now(if each hive were equidistant, servers would be crashing since MCs go to the most distant hive... but that's not the case). Now that I look back on this, I think I made no sense or misunderstood something. I don't know, and I don't care.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bast is also my favourite map and the maker of it was driven away by people insulting it. i want him back. i want the special effects and the easter eggs put back in too.
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Real life doesn't have anything to do with anything now, does it? Also, what special effects, and what easter eggs?
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Bast sucks, huh? People like you are completely worthless. Shut up. Actually, now that I think about it, go and make something better, then. Oh wait, what's this? You can't? I didn't think so. Shut up.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->anyway, bast truly is horrible. two of the hives (Feedwater, engine) are barely even rooms.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is there some guideline saying that hives must be a certain size? If there is, I certainly don't see it. Point it out to me, please... No, really. I want to see it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->then you have refinery... it's like the mapper ran out of ideas.. "uh... I'll just make one really big room!"... ok....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you're running out of intelligence.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I wish the map was never remade... I was happy when it was gone.
I've seen many a server empty-out going from good maps like eclipse, tanith, etc, to bast.
it's hard to play, plays poorly, etc. ::sigh::
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Sure you have. If you don't want to play it, that's fine, and we certainly won't miss you either. You were happy when it was gone, eh? That's nice. I'm glad to see the entire universe revolves soley on your happiness. As for the emptying servers... I suppose you were playing at 4am in the morning too, in which case upon ANY map change people would leave. Good God, you make me want to just hang myself.
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Feedwater is awsome, Relic25 and MrBen did a awsome jobb on it
No, the thing is... if you don't know the effort it takes to make a map (and balancing it) you shouldn't give an oppinion at all, if it's not constructive, because "bast sucks" is barely constructive you know, do you expect me reading those posts and thinking "oh, I have to use my magical tools to fix 'bast sucks'!"
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->anyway, bast truly is horrible. two of the hives (Feedwater, engine) are barely even rooms. they're difficult to navigate, confusing to newbies, have poorly-designed layouts for base building, and etc.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure, sure, where are the guidelines for that again?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->then you have refinery... it's like the mapper ran out of ideas.. "uh... I'll just make one really big room!"... ok....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is something closer to insulting the mapper, I don't think he's in his house doing the same with you. But anyways, I don't think that room was done without ideas, because... you know, you need ideas and concepts to make a map.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the marine spawn is even more stupid... long elevator/ladders to get out, or slow-moving revolving door... take your pick, just don't expect to get anywhere quickly.
then there's that vent.. argh.
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No ****, sherlock. That's why it has changed for beta 5. First rule: Know what the hell you're talking about.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I wish the map was never remade... I was happy when it was gone.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well I wish I didn't have to read/reply all this crap.
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I've seen more tolerant people which know how to give constructive critizism to make maps better, you're not the case. Go back to listen your EMO songs.
Oh, by the way, I'm the Bast Remake project lead, and I'm making all the changes to the map right now. But please, there's a <b>BEAUTIFUL</b> thread on Public Beta forum for ns_bast feedback. So use it, instead of making useless threads on General Discussion.
excellent feedback right there....
You are entitled to your opinion, but you might want to actually give reasons for why you dont like it instead of "Omg It is Teh sux0r?!!!"
That doesnt help anyone.
Why not? He's saying bast sucks, and he gives poor reasons and no suggestions on how to make it better.
I couldn't resist, you know, people think we mappers make the maps unbalanced on purpose or something, and that by telling us that the map sucks we are going to magically fixing it.
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Folks, do <b>not</b> flame. I don't care who started it, insult other people and I'll be on your hairy behinds.