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<div class="IPBDescription">Just $40,000 a year!</div> <a href='http://education.guardian.co.uk/classroomviolence/story/0,12388,987932,00.html' target='_blank'>Article 1</a>
<a href='http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987168,00.html' target='_blank'>Article 2</a>
A short summery for those who dont like those mean letters attacking their eyeballs:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The last resort
When you have a teenager on the rampage, who are you going to turn to? In America, parents send their troubled offspring to Jamaica's Tranquility Bay - a 'behaviour-modification centre' which charges $40,000 a year to 'cure' them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd like to get a few things straight...
- This program costs $40,000 american each year... any family with kids with troubles THAT bad would never be able to afford it
- The program reminds me to much of a old movie called "The manchurian canidate" (sp on the name). They use horrible conditioning and training, something you wouldn't subject a dog to.
- And all of that For what? because someone's girl slept with the wrong type of guy? because a Teenager wants to make friends with people dispite their background?
I have a nice little quote from the program's website that supposudly "screens" for teens that dont belong here... I'm sure most of you would be "fitting in" with those locked up in this hellhole
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Answer Yes or No to each question. Keep count of the number of your "yes" answers.
1. Does your teen struggle with basic family rules and expectations?
2. Has your teen ever been suspended, expelled, truant, or had a drop in school grades?
3. Is your teen verbally abusive?
4. Does your teen associate with a bad peer group?
5. Has your teen lost interest in former productive activities, hobbies or sports?
6. Do you have difficulty getting your teen to do simple household chores or homework?
7. Has your teen had problems with the law?
8. Do you find yourself picking your words carefully when speaking to your teen, so as not to elicit a verbal attack or rage from them?
9. Are you worried that your teen may not finish high school?
10 .Does your teen seem depressed/withdrawn?
11. Has your teen's appearance and/or personal hygiene changed?
12. Does your teen ever display violent behavior?
13. Is your teen manipulative and/or deceitful?
14. Does your teen seem to demonstrate a lack of motivation?
15. Do you suspect that your teen sometimes lies or is dishonest with you?
16. Are you concerned that your teen may be sexually promiscuous?
17. Has your teen ever displayed any evidence of suicide ideation?
18. Do you suspect at times you have had money or other valuables from your home?
19. Does your teen's behavior concern you for their safety?
20. Is your teen angry or display temper outbursts?
21. Does your teen seem to lack self-esteem and self-worth?
22. Do you have a lack of trust with your teen?
23. Does your teen have problems with authority?
24. Does your teen engage in activities you don't approve of?
25. Do you think your teen is possibly using or experimenting with drugs/alcohol?
26. Are you concerned about your child's well being and their future?
27. Does your teen seem to constantly be in opposition to your family values?
28. No matter what rules and consequences are established, do you feel that your teen will defy them?
29. Are you exhausted and worn out from your teen's defiant and/or destructive behavior and choices?
30. When dealing with your teen, do you often feel that you are powerless?
Tally your yes responses. Based on the number of your 'yes' responses, our recommendations would be as follows:
18+: High risk. Get help! A residential center, treatment program or specialty school is strongly recommended.
9-17: Borderline risk. It is possible that the problems can be resolved by tightening up the family rules and structure. However, it may be that a residential center, treatment program or specialty school needs to be considered.
Up to 8: Moderate risk. Tighten up family rules/understandings, and be consistent with your monitoring and follow through. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And as if it weren't bad enough... Look at thier "Drug abuse" symptoms:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Neglected appearance/hygiene
2. Poor self image
3. Grades dropping
4. Violent outbursts at home
5. Frequent use of Eye Wash
6. Unexplained weight drop
7. Drug Paraphernalia
8. Slurred speech
9. Curfew violations
10. Running away
11. Skin abrasions
12. Hostility towards family members
13. Chemical breath
14.Glassy eyes
15.Red eyes
16.Valuables Missing
17. Possessing unexplained valuables
18. Stealing/borrowing money
19.Change in friends
20. Depression
21. Withdrawal
22.Apathy
23.Reckless Behavior
24.No Concern about future
25. Defiles Family Values
26. Disrespectful to parents
27. Lying/Deception
28. Sneaky behavior
29. Disregards Consequences
30. Loss of Interest in healthy activities
31. Verbally abusive
32. Manipulative/Self-Centered
33. Lack of Motivation
34. Truancy
If many of these signs seem applicable to your child, and their behavior, do not despair. Denial and shame in response to drug abuse, for the user or their family, will only serve to be additional obstacles to overcome. Know that many young people can be helped, and there is effective help available.
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Yea... I'm laughing at the fact they called it "Help".
Right now I'm to **** to right... I'm going to take a day or two to compose my thoughts further before commenting on this... this... thing.
<a href='http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987168,00.html' target='_blank'>Article 2</a>
A short summery for those who dont like those mean letters attacking their eyeballs:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The last resort
When you have a teenager on the rampage, who are you going to turn to? In America, parents send their troubled offspring to Jamaica's Tranquility Bay - a 'behaviour-modification centre' which charges $40,000 a year to 'cure' them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd like to get a few things straight...
- This program costs $40,000 american each year... any family with kids with troubles THAT bad would never be able to afford it
- The program reminds me to much of a old movie called "The manchurian canidate" (sp on the name). They use horrible conditioning and training, something you wouldn't subject a dog to.
- And all of that For what? because someone's girl slept with the wrong type of guy? because a Teenager wants to make friends with people dispite their background?
I have a nice little quote from the program's website that supposudly "screens" for teens that dont belong here... I'm sure most of you would be "fitting in" with those locked up in this hellhole
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Answer Yes or No to each question. Keep count of the number of your "yes" answers.
1. Does your teen struggle with basic family rules and expectations?
2. Has your teen ever been suspended, expelled, truant, or had a drop in school grades?
3. Is your teen verbally abusive?
4. Does your teen associate with a bad peer group?
5. Has your teen lost interest in former productive activities, hobbies or sports?
6. Do you have difficulty getting your teen to do simple household chores or homework?
7. Has your teen had problems with the law?
8. Do you find yourself picking your words carefully when speaking to your teen, so as not to elicit a verbal attack or rage from them?
9. Are you worried that your teen may not finish high school?
10 .Does your teen seem depressed/withdrawn?
11. Has your teen's appearance and/or personal hygiene changed?
12. Does your teen ever display violent behavior?
13. Is your teen manipulative and/or deceitful?
14. Does your teen seem to demonstrate a lack of motivation?
15. Do you suspect that your teen sometimes lies or is dishonest with you?
16. Are you concerned that your teen may be sexually promiscuous?
17. Has your teen ever displayed any evidence of suicide ideation?
18. Do you suspect at times you have had money or other valuables from your home?
19. Does your teen's behavior concern you for their safety?
20. Is your teen angry or display temper outbursts?
21. Does your teen seem to lack self-esteem and self-worth?
22. Do you have a lack of trust with your teen?
23. Does your teen have problems with authority?
24. Does your teen engage in activities you don't approve of?
25. Do you think your teen is possibly using or experimenting with drugs/alcohol?
26. Are you concerned about your child's well being and their future?
27. Does your teen seem to constantly be in opposition to your family values?
28. No matter what rules and consequences are established, do you feel that your teen will defy them?
29. Are you exhausted and worn out from your teen's defiant and/or destructive behavior and choices?
30. When dealing with your teen, do you often feel that you are powerless?
Tally your yes responses. Based on the number of your 'yes' responses, our recommendations would be as follows:
18+: High risk. Get help! A residential center, treatment program or specialty school is strongly recommended.
9-17: Borderline risk. It is possible that the problems can be resolved by tightening up the family rules and structure. However, it may be that a residential center, treatment program or specialty school needs to be considered.
Up to 8: Moderate risk. Tighten up family rules/understandings, and be consistent with your monitoring and follow through. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And as if it weren't bad enough... Look at thier "Drug abuse" symptoms:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Neglected appearance/hygiene
2. Poor self image
3. Grades dropping
4. Violent outbursts at home
5. Frequent use of Eye Wash
6. Unexplained weight drop
7. Drug Paraphernalia
8. Slurred speech
9. Curfew violations
10. Running away
11. Skin abrasions
12. Hostility towards family members
13. Chemical breath
14.Glassy eyes
15.Red eyes
16.Valuables Missing
17. Possessing unexplained valuables
18. Stealing/borrowing money
19.Change in friends
20. Depression
21. Withdrawal
22.Apathy
23.Reckless Behavior
24.No Concern about future
25. Defiles Family Values
26. Disrespectful to parents
27. Lying/Deception
28. Sneaky behavior
29. Disregards Consequences
30. Loss of Interest in healthy activities
31. Verbally abusive
32. Manipulative/Self-Centered
33. Lack of Motivation
34. Truancy
If many of these signs seem applicable to your child, and their behavior, do not despair. Denial and shame in response to drug abuse, for the user or their family, will only serve to be additional obstacles to overcome. Know that many young people can be helped, and there is effective help available.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yea... I'm laughing at the fact they called it "Help".
Right now I'm to **** to right... I'm going to take a day or two to compose my thoughts further before commenting on this... this... thing.
Comments
The basic plot was that, in the near future, teenagers have grown out of control. In Japan, where the film was set, in order to control the unruly rabble a random class from a highschool was sent to an island. On this island were a large assortment of weapons, and they were all fitted with collars. If, at the end of three days, there was more than one of them alive, all the collars would explode.
At this rate, that is where I see society ending up. "Can't control your kids?" "Are <i>you</i> a sucky parent?" "Give someone else the hard work!"
From those symptoms I should have been locked away a long loooong time ago.
Raising a children should never have to become a business for anyone <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And I'm sure that place will really help people with depression. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[I only glanced at this, so this post's original content was in error.]
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->15. Do you suspect that your teen sometimes lies or is dishonest with you?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Didn't know keeping something from your parents constituted a trip to anal-retentive reform school.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->16. Are you concerned that your teen may be sexually promiscuous?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
We're all doomed apparently.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->17. Has your teen ever displayed any evidence of suicide ideation?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, because sending your child to this place will obviously help them with their problems. Shows just how loving a parent you really are.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->19. Does your teen's behavior concern you for their safety?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really encourages communication, eh? "If you're concerned, send them to us and we'll figure out the problem"
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->21. Does your teen seem to lack self-esteem and self-worth?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And this'll improve that, really.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->22. Do you have a lack of trust with your teen?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Same goes for this one.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->24. Does your teen engage in activities you don't approve of?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Eesh, what you want to brainwash your kid? Apparently some parents do...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->26. Are you concerned about your child's well being and their future?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I love this one. "If you are a good parent, you'll send them to us."
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->29. Are you exhausted and worn out from your teen's defiant and/or destructive behavior and choices?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"If you're just done with dealing with your kid, we'll deal with him for you."
Must go rent Battle Royale, sounds like a really interesting movie. And by interesting, I mean that (I hope) it's not just a bloodbath. Yes?
We're all doomed apparently.
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<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> I cannot begin to tell you how hilarious that is - I actually laughed out loud on that one. On topic of the discussion - this place seems like it would only make problems worse, but ya never know.
Reading that article through made me very, very angry.
We're all doomed apparently.
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<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> I cannot begin to tell you how hilarious that is - I actually laughed out loud on that one. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I try <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also I will allow the kids to do what ever this wish to their parents in revenge, if they choose to do nothing, then that child has been damaged beyond repair and his/her parents will be shot....in the arms and legs....then thrown in a river....full of piranhas.
You got a link to that? I'd like to see it.
This article begs the questions: How much freedom/trust should parents give their kids, and is there ever a time when sending your kid to a "facility" like this is justified?
Also if we don't start actually discussing something this thread'll get locked. So get on with the debating! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*wonders where Nemo has been all day...*
My plan of action
1. Get a progress report of ex student of this facility 15 years down the road, I honestly doubt that people with no ability to think critically will be able to have descript and fulfilled lifes
2. Talk to as many students/ex students as possible, and pull apart logic holes and circular logic in thier worldviews if at all possible (I dunno, maby this whole thing is acctually working properly, although it doesn't seem possible)
3. If suspicions pan out, have a trust worthy child attend with the goal of journaling the phycological progression of himself and the other students, as well as the formentioned physical abuse, and sue the living **** out of the facility for emotional physical and phsycological damages.
My plans of action never work out <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Yes i would like for my thread to stay open. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think the problem lies in the fact that parents just dont want responcibility anymore for their children. Look at the media... blaming all the bad things kids do on inanimate objects that aren't really at fault. Video games, Rock music, Movies, ANYTHING BUT THE PARENTS.
Its been said that a person is 40% genetics, and 60% upbringing. This means that while genetics play a significant role in how a person develops... it is how they are raised is what makes someone who they are. People are shaped and moulded like soft clay by their expiriences, and it is the parent's (or person in the parent role) responcibility to make sure their children are in a environment that nurtures their development.
Parents have become lazy. This is the ultimate form of lazyness... Send the child off and he/she will be "raised" for them... the "perfect" child. The problem is that no one ever was a "perfect" child... people lose their innocence when the world takes a sledge hammer and nails them in the balls. Those parents not approving their children to hang out with certian other children were probubly drinking alcohol and smoking grass in their own teenage years.
The parents actually aren't the people who gave birth (or has custody over the child), the parent has become TV, Movies, Video games. Thinking that little billy will be fine on his own watching TV every evening isn't right... Hell, it isn't HEALTHY for the child.
Parents have also become VERY busy. families in which both parent figures are working (which is more and more commen these days) simply do not have the time to spend with their children anymore.
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Yes i would like for my thread to stay open. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think the problem lies in the fact that parents just dont want responcibility anymore for their children. Look at the media... blaming all the bad things kids do on inanimate objects that aren't really at fault. Video games, Rock music, Movies, ANYTHING BUT THE PARENTS.
Its been said that a person is 40% genetics, and 60% upbringing. This means that while genetics play a significant role in how a person develops... it is how they are raised is what makes someone who they are. People are shaped and moulded like soft clay by their expiriences, and it is the parent's (or person in the parent role) responcibility to make sure their children are in a environment that nurtures their development.
Parents have become lazy. This is the ultimate form of lazyness... Send the child off and he/she will be "raised" for them... the "perfect" child. The problem is that no one ever was a "perfect" child... people lose their innocence when the world takes a sledge hammer and nails them in the balls. Those parents not approving their children to hang out with certian other children were probubly drinking alcohol and smoking grass in their own teenage years.
The parents actually aren't the people who gave birth (or has custody over the child), the parent has become TV, Movies, Video games. Thinking that little billy will be fine on his own watching TV every evening isn't right... Hell, it isn't HEALTHY for the child.
Parents have also become VERY busy. families in which both parent figures are working (which is more and more commen these days) simply do not have the time to spend with their children anymore. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
People build themselfs, genetics and upbringing are factors, but both can be deffinitively overcome. I think the belife that people can blame who they are on other people and outside influences is laughable. Even if it is true, you still must take responsability for your own actions, and learn from your own mistakes. I have seen too many people make the same mistakes over and over, always blaming outside influences, to belive that outside influences are indeed the cause of problems for troubled people.
Being a parent is a hard job, no parent doesn't try their best, dispite the fact that many of them make stupid misakes and often end up screwing things up worse. Even the best parents in the best situations will breed bad eggs. I have seen so many situations, good oldest kid screwed up youngest, good youngest screwed up oldest, good both, bad both, as well as seeing both sides revert to thier opposite numourous times. You honestly can't blame a parent for the actions of thier kid, the best they can do is try thier hardest.
Well sometimes trying thier "hardest" is not trying at all.
Well sometimes trying thier "hardest" is not trying at all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is often due to the simple fact that the parent is as much if not more screwed up then the kid. Mental and phsycological well being are unfortunately not a requirement for making babies.
[edit] cont. People who are have that kind of problem DO need help, so it is still unfair to say that the parents who send there kid off to hell camp should be getting thier act together and toughening up, most of them probably aren't capable of effectively dealing with the situation. Notice the artical author makes special note of the fact that most of the kids come from single parent families.
how would you know? You've been here for 12 days.
how would you know? You've been here for 12 days. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow. What a wonderful display of ignorance.
The forums are public. You don't need to be registered to view them. There are people called lurkers, who just read the forums, without an account or posting anything. He could have been here longer than any of us, and here you are saying that his view is pointless because of his join date!?
As a matter of fact, yes, it has been broughy up before, and, yes, everybody thought it was evil. But what do I know? My name has a B in it. My opinions are worthless.
Please.
[edit spelling]
I actually jumped out of my seat when I read that.
I wonder what it would be like for one of today's teenagers to go back to the 1950s and try to live like a kid from that time. You'd probably go crazy. Reminds me of the movie Pleasantville. They thought they were normal, we think they're control freaks and/or robots....are we just spoiled from freedom?
how would you know? You've been here for 12 days. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=57458&hl=tranquility+bay' target='_blank'>Link</a>
Yeah, parents are perants, no matter what u say they are...
1950s in UK was the time not to be at school - not many countries now adays have the "caine". but camps can be fun - its just " I dont want to go - becuase I wont like it" - it can be fun if you try it.
NS aint the only entertainment! If this doesnt make sense or is off-topic than read on,
Regards,
George
Why thank you... Your great at acting like a jackass.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->He could have been here longer than any of us, and here you are saying that his view is pointless because of his join date!?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I could have been here even longer then him, whats your point? Where did i say his view was pointless... I simply pointed out he was here for only 12 days and he said hes seen it before.
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Thanks for the link...
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This doesn't sound even a WEEE bit flamitory to you Treve?
It's ok, we all have our bad days.
I thought this place was evil.
I still think it's evil.
I still want to KILL "the leader".
Yes i'm serious.
No, i havn't done anything about it.
Yes, i will do something about it eventually. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It might not be politically correct to call this operation "restoring hope" too <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
so i need to be locked up and brainwashed?