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  • pSyk0mAnpSyk0mAn Nerdish by Nature Germany Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19166Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin-moultano+Aug 2 2005, 09:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Aug 2 2005, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...What I mean is this: You've been selfless and giving all this time in the process of making it, and the people flaming you seem like ungrateful ****. Why not extend that selflessness a little further, through the feedback process in how you respond to them? If you just dig down to the depths of your patience and remain as polite as possible, I think you'll find that the results are much better. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I get your point and I agree.

    But I was also mapping for hl and calling mapping selfless seems pretty arrogant to me.
    -First of all mapping is fun or else you won't sacrifice your free time to do it.
    -It is rewarding when players enjoy your piece of art
    -You are more known and respected by the community as a good mapper
    -You learn more about (gameplay) design, architecture, e.g.

    So please don't pretend that you just map for us. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    I'm sorry to be mean, but are you saying that you would rather us sit on a feature complete version of 3.1 just so that we can playtest more maps? It is unfortuante that Zunni isn't available currently to take care of map additions, but I'm pretty sure there are others who would prefer us to go ahead and release 3.1 for the balance tweeks and bug fixes.
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  • coriscoris Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
    The gameplay is tested. Just include it into the installer.
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    <!--QuoteBegin-pSyk0mAn+Aug 3 2005, 04:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pSyk0mAn @ Aug 3 2005, 04:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-moultano+Aug 2 2005, 09:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Aug 2 2005, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...What I mean is this: You've been selfless and giving all this time in the process of making it, and the people flaming you seem like ungrateful ****. Why not extend that selflessness a little further, through the feedback process in how you respond to them? If you just dig down to the depths of your patience and remain as polite as possible, I think you'll find that the results are much better. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I get your point and I agree.

    But I was also mapping for hl and calling mapping selfless seems pretty arrogant to me.
    -First of all mapping is fun or else you won't sacrifice your free time to do it.
    -It is rewarding when players enjoy your piece of art
    -You are more known and respected by the community as a good mapper
    -You learn more about (gameplay) design, architecture, e.g.

    So please don't pretend that you just map for us. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Those things are all definitely true, but the same could be said for a lot of volunteer work, Habitat for Humanity for instance.

    - Construction work is fun to do or else people wouldn't do it in their free time.
    - It is rewarding when people enjoy the house you've built
    - You become more well known and respected in the community
    - You learn more about drywalling, carpentry, painting, and construction in general

    I'm not implying that mapping is at all commesurate with building homes for poor people, but I think the analogy works. It's still something that some people do as a job that you are doing for free for a community.

    On the 3.1 bit, Zunni had mentioned earlier that he was making up for the lack of playtester time by encouraging other communities that he had access to to playtest the maps. CAL playtested the map for a week. Many liked it. They suggested changes and I implemented them. Now some players are calling for it to be used in the regular season.

    This is quite a bit more playtesting than I imagine would have gone on with the playtesting team, so personally, I don't think they need to do more than get a slightly updated version from me that fixes the 2-3 known issues (2 obscure stuck issues, r_speeds in spots) and include it in the installer. I can understand however, if they want more internal QA. I just hope they get around to it for next time . . .
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    if people are interested, the map is running on ns.rtfo.org
    Go check it out. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    If it means anything to you, I've asked nemesis zero if he would mind getting Shiva into the constellation testing portion of 3.1. Shiva has been played by cal, so I definitely think it's able to be in the 3.1 beta as well.

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  • FreddehFreddeh Join Date: 2003-07-29 Member: 18520Members, Constellation
    <3
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    edited August 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Aug 5 2005, 11:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Aug 5 2005, 11:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If it means anything to you, I've asked nemesis zero if he would mind getting Shiva into the constellation testing portion of 3.1. Shiva has been played by cal, so I definitely think it's able to be in the 3.1 beta as well.

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    <span style='color:red'><b><3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3</b></span>

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    here's hoping. . . .

    Have you gotten a response yet?
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  • ssjyodassjyoda Join Date: 2002-03-05 Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
    invader scoot to rescue!!! we all love u.. now for the reply
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    I've done a little more work on it to try and make it more fade friendly. All of the octagonal doors that just had a little lip sticking out from the ceiling now have a 4:1 slope of clip leading up to them from the ceiling. This should make blinking past them much easier, as you should now slide off somewhat when you hit your head. I've been tweaking the lighting a bit, and getting r_speeds down in the places where they had crept up.
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  • HyperionHyperion Hyperion2010 Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21477Members
    I predict, moultano, if you do not already, that you will come to love func_detail in source <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    <!--QuoteBegin-Hyperion+Aug 7 2005, 01:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hyperion @ Aug 7 2005, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I predict, moultano, if you do not already, that you will come to love func_detail in source <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Indeed <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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