<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Jun 26 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Jun 26 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Rellix+Jun 26 2004, 10:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rellix @ Jun 26 2004, 10:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I now have to manualy activate everything on the CD. Seems my weird twist of fate was a good thing after all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Double click the Cd/DVD rom drive icon, manually autoruns.
I would call it taking CD protection to the next step, by exploiting the stupidness of the user. Something like readware, or loopholeware. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Opens the CD like a folder.
Like I said, its as if somethings removed autorun completly.
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Jun 26 2004, 06:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Jun 26 2004, 06:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would call it taking CD protection to the next step, by exploiting the stupidness of the user. Something like readware, or loopholeware. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry I have to say this, but you're a retard. Having this program put onto your computer does not make you stupid in any way. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO READ AUTORUN.INF BEFORE YOU INSERT A CD.
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Well then. I was actually thinking of buying a CD for the first time in eighteen months when I heard this. Now it looks like piracy is not only cheaper and more convenient, but <i>safer</i> as well.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jun 26 2004, 02:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jun 26 2004, 02:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Black Mage+Jun 26 2004, 12:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Black Mage @ Jun 26 2004, 12:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> disable autorun, rip, laugh. the DMCA allows you to convert media for personal use
funny thing about itunes, it's illegal to strip the file protection stuff. so just burn it to a cd (legal) and then rip it (again, legal) kaboom, mp3s from itunes <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wouldn't the cumulation of those actions be considered striping the file protection and therefore be illegal? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> nope, legal loophole
you are allowed to burn itunes tracks to a cd you are allowed to rip cds to mp3s
technically, it's itunes' fault for not protecting the files once on the cd
<!--QuoteBegin-Gadzuko+Jun 26 2004, 05:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Jun 26 2004, 05:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Regardless, it is not a virus in the traditional sense of the word. It does not destroy data, cause network traffic, attempt to replicate itself onto other machines, or any other behaviors that are associated with viruses. It does interfere with some operations, I'll grant, but I don't think it deserves to be called a virus. Spyware, yes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right, it's not a virus. The definition of a virus is "<i>a self-replicating program</i>", and I'm quite sure that the Capitol Autorun Surprise does not replicate. Thus it has to be classified as malware, because of its function and purpose.
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I understand that record companies may feel threatened by piracy, but taking gargatuan and often less-than-well functioning measures against it is only making things worse, especially when the pirates that do REAL damage to the business are the ones who run legitimate cd duplication plants in the far east and actually sell what they steal.
Anyway, this kind of malware program is not what I'd call within the limits of copy protecting one's product. Without asking, it installs a program on the user's computer; a trick that would get everyone absolutely enraged if done by a website. They can try and protect their CDs, as long as they either mention that the copyrighted disc is not actually a Compact Disc by definition since all Compact Disc standard players may not play it, or in the case of computers they may try to prevent ripping if they keep their dirty hands off the user's system and especially its registry.
And no, having autorun on is not a sign of stupidity and a reason for divine copy protection malware's retribution. It's the same as saying that not having a virus scanner and a firewall means you deserve a virus. Nobody deserves anything like that. Viruses, spyware and malware are software created by morally retarded persons and the fact that we have to study and install programs to prevent such behaviour is in no way right.
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Jun 26 2004, 11:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Jun 26 2004, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But spyware does that all the time and that is apparently not illegal... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If it isn't, it damn well should be. Also, who came up with the great idea that the system registry can be modified by programs through a web browser,<span style='color:red'> without specifically warning the user with a 1600x1200 pixel warning label first? </span>
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Jun 26 2004, 10:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Jun 26 2004, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But spyware does that all the time and that is apparently not illegal... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> most of that comes through activex controls, which require your consent before launching them.
Referring to what this installs as a "virus" is missing the point. Yeah, that means the article misses the point as well.
The real issue is <i>what</i> this "virus" is - Digital Rights Management software. A quick search for DRM on <a href='http://www.slashdot.org/' target='_blank'>Slashdot</a> can fill you in if you don't already know what DRM is and why it's evil.
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Jun 26 2004, 08:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Jun 26 2004, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Jefe+Jun 27 2004, 02:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jefe @ Jun 27 2004, 02:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Jun 26 2004, 06:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Jun 26 2004, 06:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would call it taking CD protection to the next step, by exploiting the stupidness of the user. Something like readware, or loopholeware. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry I have to say this, but you're a retard. Having this program put onto your computer does not make you stupid in any way. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO READ AUTORUN.INF BEFORE YOU INSERT A CD. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ok then, i'll just send you some viruses.. erm I mean cool .. cds.. you just go ahead and run them without checking what they are.
How is this any different than clicking accept on one of them popup things? Granted it's a legit music cd so it shouldn't have a program on it, but I was speaking generally. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's different because those popup things tell you it's gonna install something. The CD doesn't.
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Double click the Cd/DVD rom drive icon, manually autoruns.
I would call it taking CD protection to the next step, by exploiting the stupidness of the user. Something like readware, or loopholeware. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Opens the CD like a folder.
Like I said, its as if somethings removed autorun completly.
Its kinda cool!
Sorry I have to say this, but you're a retard. Having this program put onto your computer does not make you stupid in any way. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO READ AUTORUN.INF BEFORE YOU INSERT A CD.
Sheesh, talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
funny thing about itunes, it's illegal to strip the file protection stuff. so just burn it to a cd (legal) and then rip it (again, legal) kaboom, mp3s from itunes <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wouldn't the cumulation of those actions be considered striping the file protection and therefore be illegal? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
nope, legal loophole
you are allowed to burn itunes tracks to a cd
you are allowed to rip cds to mp3s
technically, it's itunes' fault for not protecting the files once on the cd
You're right, it's not a virus. The definition of a virus is "<i>a self-replicating program</i>", and I'm quite sure that the Capitol Autorun Surprise does not replicate. Thus it has to be classified as malware, because of its function and purpose.
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I understand that record companies may feel threatened by piracy, but taking gargatuan and often less-than-well functioning measures against it is only making things worse, especially when the pirates that do REAL damage to the business are the ones who run legitimate cd duplication plants in the far east and actually sell what they steal.
Anyway, this kind of malware program is not what I'd call within the limits of copy protecting one's product. Without asking, it installs a program on the user's computer; a trick that would get everyone absolutely enraged if done by a website. They can try and protect their CDs, as long as they either mention that the copyrighted disc is not actually a Compact Disc by definition since all Compact Disc standard players may not play it, or in the case of computers they may try to prevent ripping if they keep their dirty hands off the user's system and especially its registry.
And no, having autorun on is not a sign of stupidity and a reason for divine copy protection malware's retribution. It's the same as saying that not having a virus scanner and a firewall means you deserve a virus. Nobody deserves anything like that. Viruses, spyware and malware are software created by morally retarded persons and the fact that we have to study and install programs to prevent such behaviour is in no way right.
If it isn't, it damn well should be. Also, who came up with the great idea that the system registry can be modified by programs through a web browser,<span style='color:red'> without specifically warning the user with a 1600x1200 pixel warning label first? </span>
most of that comes through activex controls, which require your consent before launching them.
Referring to what this installs as a "virus" is missing the point. Yeah, that means the article misses the point as well.
The real issue is <i>what</i> this "virus" is - Digital Rights Management software. A quick search for DRM on <a href='http://www.slashdot.org/' target='_blank'>Slashdot</a> can fill you in if you don't already know what DRM is and why it's evil.
Sorry I have to say this, but you're a retard. Having this program put onto your computer does not make you stupid in any way. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO READ AUTORUN.INF BEFORE YOU INSERT A CD. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok then, i'll just send you some viruses.. erm I mean cool .. cds.. you just go ahead and run them without checking what they are.
How is this any different than clicking accept on one of them popup things? Granted it's a legit music cd so it shouldn't have a program on it, but I was speaking generally. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's different because those popup things tell you it's gonna install something. The CD doesn't.