Mouse Bug

God_Killer · June 2004

Ok, I got a serious probleme that someone may know how to fix it.

Sometimes, my mouse movement stops working in ns, I got to move my mouse like crasy for it to listen again. As you can see, its kind of anoying in the middle of a fight.

Also, Ive been shooting skulk moving in a strait line towards me and missing them for no apparent reason. Don't worry my aim is real good. It could be bad regestering, which has gotten pathetic since my mouse started bugging on me, either aliens or marines.

I have to find a way to fix my ns, because I don't want to trow my computer trough the wall everytime. I make recordings and I can see in slow motion that my aim is dead on, I can almost accuse myself of aimbotting.

Its making me get very sad (I actually sheded a tear of deseperation) and I feel madness taking over my mind every second I try to play ns...anyway you guys get the point!

Seph_Kimara · June 2004

I'll advise you to check your mouse connection, especially if it uses a USB port. I get the same thing, and it's usually because the plug has become a bit loose.

Also, try cleaning the mouse ball/rollers if you're using a standard mouse. Those are some of the main reasons a mouse will be unresponsive if they're dirty.

CrS · June 2004

When my mouse was acting up, I just cracked it open and stuffed the cabels firmer together inside it, it's been good for acouple months now <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> .

Jabba_The_Hunt · June 2004

If you have an optical mouse then this could be cause the surface your are playing on is either a) too bland - if its all one colour with no pattern it cant work out how far is travelling b) overly patterened - putting your mouse on top of a brightly colour book will cause some real issues.

Another possibility is that the mouse pads have come off the bottom of your mouse and this causes dirt to build up and will increase friction, I stick stickers or selotape to the bottom of my mouse to raise it slightly (and they have a shinny surface which reduces friction further) you need about 5 layers if they are stickers (about 1cm by 1cm) and 10-15 for selotape (1cm by 1cm if you can get it like that but its not quite as critical as selotape is shinnier <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />)

NGE · June 2004

Are you talking about the bug where it keeps doing the last command you entered for a while? Such as you're running forward and looking forward, yet when you try to change you can't move? Or fireing and you can't aim or stop shooting?

Yeah, I've had that happen as well. I believe it's a combination of steam and lower-end comps, but I've seen instances of it happening *very rarly* on higher end comps. Sucks when it happens, but I think it's your comp trying to process all the commands (Yes, that very difficult and computer straining +forward command can do it) and just flooding the last one untill it finishes.

And yes, the hitbox bug is still common, you're not missing if it's moving in a straight line. It's a prevelent bug that has yet to be figured out or addressed, but it makes the player MUCH harder to kill, as you have no idea where to really aim to cause damage.

There's not much anyone can do about the hitbox bug, it's neither your fault nor theirs. As long as they're not being ****-smacks about it (OMG YUO SUX LOLOLOLOLOL I R TEH BESTORZ) the most you can do is live with it or go elsewhere. Restarting steam on their end can make it go away sometimes but even that's not really guarunteed. A fix would be nice, though.

God_Killer · June 2004

Maybe I should just reinstall steam cos my mouse works perfectly in everything else, I had and other bug to.

When upgrading in co, sometimes the sensivity goes waaaay down in the menu.

Ok Ill give out my config and user config, maybe someone can help out maybe its really bad and I deserve to be better...

useconfig
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>cl_dynamiccrosshair "0"
cl_idealpitchscale "0.8"
cl_lc "0"
cl_lw "0"
cl_minmodels "1"
cl_vsmoothing "0.05"
con_color "255 180 30"
fastsprites "0"
gl_dither "1"
gl_flipmatrix "0"
gl_monolights "0"
gl_overbright "0"
gl_polyoffset "0.1"
hpk_maxsize "4"
hud_capturemouse "1"
hud_draw "1"
hud_saytext_internal "1"

net_graphpos "1"
net_scale "5"
r_bmodelhighfrac "5.0"
r_detailtextures "0"
s_a3d "0.0"
s_automax_distance "30.0"
s_automin_distance "2.0"
s_bloat "2.0"
s_distance "60"
s_doppler "0.0"
s_eax "0.0"
s_leafnum "0"
s_max_distance "1000.0"
s_min_distance "8.0"
s_numpolys "200"
s_polykeep "1000000000"
s_polysize "10000000"
s_refdelay "4"
s_refgain "0.4"
s_rolloff "1.0"
s_verbwet "0.25"
tracerred "1"
tracergreen "1"
tracerblue "0"
traceralpha "150"
tracerlength "4"
traceroffset "-72" //lower the # to make tracers bigger or higher to make tracers smaller
tracerspeed "1650"

alias +qslash "s3"; wait; +attack"
alias -qslash "-attack; lastinv"

alias +decentjump "+jump; wait; -jump; wait; +jump; wait; -jump; wait; +jump; wait; -jump; wait; +jump; wait; -jump"
alias -decentjump "-jump"

alias "+duckjump" "+jump; wait; +duck"
alias "-duckjump" "-jump;-duck"

alias +sshot "sensitivity 03.000000"
alias -sshot "sensitivity 08.610000"

alias lsens "sensitivity 13.610000

alias nsens "sensitivity 08.610000"

alias kk1a "kkslot1"
alias kk1b "kkslot1; bind mouse2 kk2a"
alias kk1c "kkslot1; bind mouse2 kk3a"
alias kk1d "kkslot1; bind mouse2 kk4a"
alias kkslot1 "slot1; bind 1 kk1a; bind 2 kk2a; bind 3 kk3a; bind 4 kk4a"

alias kk2a "kkslot2; bind mouse2 kk1b"
alias kk2b "kkslot2"
alias kk2c "kkslot2; bind mouse2 kk3b"
alias kk2d "kkslot2; bind mouse2 kk4b"
alias kkslot2 "slot2; bind 1 kk1b; bind 2 kk2b; bind 3 kk3b; bind 4 kk4b"

alias kk3a "kkslot3; bind mouse2 kk1c"
alias kk3b "kkslot3; bind mouse2 kk2c"
alias kk3c "kkslot3"
alias kk3d "kkslot3; bind mouse2 kk4c"
alias kkslot3 "slot3; bind 1 kk1c; bind 2 kk2c; bind 3 kk3c; bind 4 kk4c"

alias kk4a "kkslot4; bind mouse2 kk1d"
alias kk4b "kkslot4; bind mouse2 kk2d"
alias kk4c "kkslot4; bind mouse2 kk3d"
alias kk4d "kkslot4"
alias kkslot4 "slot4; bind 1 kk1d; bind 2 kk2d; bind 3 kk3d; bind 4 kk4d"

alias wwalk "duck_on"
alias duck_on "alias wwalk duck_off; +duck"
alias duck_off "alias wwalk duck_on; -duck"

alias soundx "stopsound"</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

config.cfg

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>unbindall
bind "TAB" "+showscores"
bind "ENTER" "messagemode"
bind "ESCAPE" "cancelselect"
bind "SPACE" "+decentjump"
bind "'" "+moveup"
bind "+" "sizeup"
bind "," "impulse 1"
bind "-" "cl_updaterate 90"
bind "." "invprev"
bind "/" "impulse 125"
bind "0" "slot10"
bind "1" "kk1d"
bind "2" "kk2d"
bind "3" "kk3d"
bind "4" "kk4d"
bind "5" "slot5"
bind "6" "slot6"
bind "7" "slot7"
bind "8" "slot8"
bind "9" "slot9"
bind ";" "+mlook"
bind "=" "cl_updaterate 100"
bind "[" "cl_updaterate 120"
bind "\" "cl_updaterate 10"
bind "]" "cl_updaterate 0"
bind "`" "toggleconsole"
bind "a" "+moveleft"
bind "b" "+voicerecord"
bind "c" "+showmap"
bind "d" "+moveright"
bind "e" "+use"
bind "f" "impulse 3"
bind "g" "impulse 100"
bind "l" "impulse 105"
bind "m" "impulse 105"
bind "n" "soundx"
bind "o" "pistol"
bind "q" "+sshot"
bind "r" "+reload"
bind "s" "+back"
bind "t" "impulse 201"
bind "u" "messagemode"
bind "v" "+duckjump"
bind "w" "+forward"
bind "x" "impulse 10"
bind "y" "messagemode2"
bind "z" "impulse 91"
bind "~" "toggleconsole"
bind "UPARROW" "impulse 94"
bind "DOWNARROW" "impulse 93"
bind "LEFTARROW" "impulse 90"
bind "RIGHTARROW" "impulse 92"
bind "CTRL" "+speed"
bind "SHIFT" "+duck"
bind "F1" "jointeamone"
bind "F2" "jointeamtwo"
bind "F4" "readyroom"
bind "F5" "snapshot"
bind "F6" "cl_updaterate 00"
bind "F7" "cl_updaterate 20"
bind "F8" "cl_updaterate 30"
bind "F9" "cl_updaterate 40"
bind "F10" "cl_updaterate 50"
bind "F11" "cl_updaterate 60"
bind "F12" "cl_updaterate 70"
bind "INS" "impulse 116"
bind "DEL" "impulse 113"
bind "PGDN" "impulse 115"
bind "PGUP" "impulse 95"
bind "HOME" "impulse 117"
bind "END" "impulse 114"
bind "KP_HOME" "impulse 101"
bind "KP_UPARROW" "impulse 109"
bind "KP_PGUP" "impulse 111"
bind "KP_LEFTARROW" "impulse 103"
bind "KP_5" "impulse 108"
bind "KP_RIGHTARROW" "impulse 112"
bind "KP_END" "impulse 102"
bind "KP_DOWNARROW" "impulse 107"
bind "KP_PGDN" "impulse 110"
bind "MWHEELDOWN" "+qslash"
bind "MWHEELUP" "+attack"
bind "MOUSE1" "+attack"
bind "MOUSE2" "kk1d"
bind "MOUSE3" "+popupmenu"
bind "PAUSE" "pause"
_snd_mixahead "0.1"
ati_npatch "0"
ati_subdiv "0"
bgmvolume "0.000000"
bottomcolor "6"
brightness "20"
cl_allowdownload "1"
cl_allowupload "0"
cl_autohelp "0"
cl_buildmessages "1"
cl_centerentityid "0"
cl_cmdbackup "2"
cl_cmdrate "15"
cl_cmhotkeys "qwerasdfzxcv"
cl_dlmax "128"
cl_download_ingame "0"
cl_dynamiclights "0"
cl_forcedefaultfov "0"
cl_highdetail "0"
cl_himodels "0"
cl_idealpitchscale "0.8"
cl_lc "1"
cl_logocolor "#Valve_Blue"
cl_logofile "skull"
cl_lw "1"
cl_musicdelay "90.000000"
cl_musicdirectory ""
cl_musicenabled "0"
cl_musicvolume "0.000000"
cl_particleinfo "0"
cl_quickselecttime "0"
cl_timeout "300"
cl_updaterate "10"
cl_vsmoothing "0.05"
con_color "255 180 30"
console "1"
crosshair "1.000000"
fps_max "99"
fps_modem "0.0"
gamma "3"
gl_dither "1"
gl_flipmatrix "0"
gl_fog "1"
gl_monolights "0"
gl_overbright "0"
gl_polyoffset "0.1"
hisound "1"
hpk_maxsize "4"
hud_capturemouse "1"
hud_centerid "1"
hud_classautokill "0"
hud_draw "1"
hud_fastswitch "1"
hud_takesshots "0"
joystick "0"
lookspring "0.000000"
lookstrafe "0.000000"
m_filter "0"
m_forward "1"
m_pitch "0.022000"
m_side "0.8"
m_yaw "0.022"
model "heavy"
MP3FadeTime "0.0"
MP3Volume "0"
mp_decals "0"
name "-~|PgQc|~-*God Killer"
net_graph "3"
net_graphpos "1"
net_scale "5"
r_bmodelhighfrac "5.0"
r_detailtextures "0"
s_a3d "0.0"
s_automax_distance "30.0"
s_automin_distance "2.0"
s_bloat "2.0"
s_distance "60"
s_doppler "0.0"
s_eax "0.0"
s_leafnum "0"
s_max_distance "1000.0"
s_min_distance "8.0"
s_numpolys "200"
s_polykeep "1000000000"
s_polysize "10000000"
s_refdelay "4"
s_refgain "0.4"
s_rolloff "1.0"
s_verbwet "0.25"
sensitivity "08.610000"
skin ""
suitvolume "0.000000"
sv_aim "0"
sv_voiceenable "1"
team ""
topcolor "0"
viewsize "110"
voice_enable "1"
voice_forcemicrecord "1.000000"
voice_modenable "1"
voice_scale "1"
volume "1.100000"
+mlook
+jlook
exec userconfig.cfg
</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

I know its long, but not playing ns sucks! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />
I just started a clan too, I kinda look nubbish with my mouse hehe

weggy · June 2004

Mayhaps you should post this in the tech support or bug discussion forum.

Cerebral · June 2004

i have had the same problem on numerous occasions i believe...my mouse will randomly lock itself in the current position and if i am currently firing then it will unloaded the rest of my clip...usually if i just wiggle it around and stop clicking then it will snap out in like 5 seconds...from what i can tell it seems like it could be an excess of input similar to what NGE said...like if i'm strafing around and jumping crouching and shooting at the same time then it will happen (mind you this isn't very frequent but it happens atleast a few times a week to me)

Lt_Hendrickson · June 2004

I don't think this is directly related, but for any one who uses one of those cheap 20 logitech optical mouses, if you move the mouse too fast it was **** up and shoot the oposite direction. Highly recommended you jack up your mouse speed in game to avoid that problem.

God_Killer · June 2004

I think Cerebral is right, thats a lot what it does.

I move a lot, I talk a lot, I have a couple of scripts and I have a cheap 20 dollard mouse with a bad wheel, its optic at least.

Today, I can't leap, xeno, web, bile bomb, umbra, blink and charge. That made me sooooo usefull...Bhop meta celerity fade for teh ultimate win, riiiiight!

I should reinstall, damn that sucks. ah I think I have and old(2 mounts) nsp folder backup on cd!

I don't have a low end pc, but it does overheats A LOT. Like 65 degrees constant.

MSI K7N9 motherboard beta like, so I have to UNDERclock my pc, lol

2500 Athlon, down to 1500 Mhz

Swiftspear · June 2004

Acctually I have been experiancing a simmilar problem, except for me it only exists in the ready room so I haven't been doing much in the way of trying to stop it, it just isn't that annoying. There is some function in NS that allows commands to be made at seemingly random intrevals, I would assume that it is related with the config scripts as well.

Maby just reset your configs (rename them as something else and make a new empty cfg file to replace them, copying over only the binds and scripts that you trust)

TheMunch8 · June 2004

I experience this problem again and again. my mouse, and keyboard controls lock up. I format my computer, reinstall steam, and it works for about 6 months <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

God_Killer · June 2004

Well I reinstalled Steam from scrach, and nope. Mouse still bugs. I can't format yet, no windows cd. Damn <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

jumpingjoda · June 2004

I have those problems too, i use a mouseman dual optical.
Just opened it, cleaaned all things, checked the cables, closed it again and it worked again.

OrganoX · June 2004

Nothing doing with NS, it is a steam bug.
i had the same problem before.

sheena_yanai · June 2004

its a problem with steam and windows taskswitch running at the same time

killing the taskswitch.exe in the taskmanager before playing removed my mouse freeze problem..
even the temporary movement lag is gone..

and someone with that problem mentioned once he doesnt have a taskswitch exe..its not a native windows xp part... and i have adware or malware on my computer called taskswitch..
i wasnt able to explain him that he have the taskswich task running hidden in the background..

taskswitch - taskswitch.exe - Process Information

Process File: taskswitch or taskswitch.exe
Process Name: Microsoft TaskSwitch Utility
Description: Application that displays a preview window of each program that the user can switch to by pressing Alt+Tab on the keyboard.
Company: Microsoft Corp.
System Process: Yes
Security Risk ( Virus/Trojan/Worm/Adware/Spyware ): No
Common Errors: N/A

<a href='http://www.liutilities.com/products/wintaskspro/processlibrary/taskswitch/' target='_blank'>windows tasks information</a>

kill the taskswitch before starting steam or ns and tell me if it worked.

Cerebral · June 2004

i guess it's POSSIBLE that that could be the problem but then you aren't going to be able to alt+tab out to do anything anymore...i'm more likely to believe that it is a steam error except i don't play enough other mods to recreate it somewhere besides ns

Pehmolelu · June 2004

I was too lazy to read all those replies so I just give few tips which may help.

Cl_cmdrate 100
Cl_updaterate 100

If ur internet connection is something like 512/512 or better, try this:
Open steam settings - Then internet setups - Set ur connection speed to 128 or something like that.

Before I activated those in my NS my frags were in combat like 30/20 or something like that. Now they are like 80/8 when I'm playing with aliens using <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/fade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='fade.gif' /> and 50/20 when playing with <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /> ... Im very happy <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Cerebral · June 2004

this thread is about mouse bugs, not server latency...changing your rates will have no effect on how your mouse reacts

God_Killer · June 2004

First thx everyone Ill defenitly try turning taskswitch.exe off cos I'm out out of options...

God_Killer · June 2004

I don't have taskswitch hum

Ok ill try more

God_Killer · June 2004

as for update rarte someone told me that its better if you don't see (x ms) in the net graph. I have binds to change in game update rate.
Well only thing I didnt try is the good old format, my disk is in 2 so its not to bad, still don't have windows cd.

SillyGoose · June 2004

same problem, but with a logitech mx 510. I also use Romanos lastinv script so maybe thats causing the problems.

im_lost · June 2004

I don't think it's Steam, I'm pretty sure I remember similar things happening to me under WON (low-end video card, Logitech mouse).

kuperaye · July 2004

Make sure your not getting huge fps drops in like fights cuz thats what happens to me and my mouse locks up so fps_max 60 if you have a ok card

wascally_wabbit · July 2004

I had a similar problem... Except that my mouse was actually shutting off.

What was causing it was that I had attached the cord to my desk with tape or something, and every time I pulled back on the mouse too far, it'd yank out the cord from the mouse a little bit.

Eventually the cord couldn't take it any more, and pooped out... So if the cord wasn't wiggled into the mouse juuuuust right, it'd turn off, then on again once it got re-wiggled.

SillyGoose · July 2004

well Ive been playing Halo alot today, and seeing as how its a far more demanding game (computer-wise) and I didn't have the problem in that or UT, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's a HL/Steam/NS problem. Im gonna test some things out tommorow (ie: different mouse drivers, different games, different mods). I don't think its because my mouse is dirty or old, because ive only had it for about a month and a half.

elchinesetourist · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 28 2004, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Are you talking about the bug where it keeps doing the last command you entered for a while? Such as you're running forward and looking forward, yet when you try to change you can't move? Or fireing and you can't aim or stop shooting?

Yeah, I've had that happen as well. I believe it's a combination of steam and lower-end comps, but I've seen instances of it happening *very rarly* on higher end comps. Sucks when it happens, but I think it's your comp trying to process all the commands (Yes, that very difficult and computer straining +forward command can do it) and just flooding the last one untill it finishes.

And yes, the hitbox bug is still common, you're not missing if it's moving in a straight line. It's a prevelent bug that has yet to be figured out or addressed, but it makes the player MUCH harder to kill, as you have no idea where to really aim to cause damage.

There's not much anyone can do about the hitbox bug, it's neither your fault nor theirs. As long as they're not being ****-smacks about it (OMG YUO SUX LOLOLOLOLOL I R TEH BESTORZ) the most you can do is live with it or go elsewhere. Restarting steam on their end can make it go away sometimes but even that's not really guarunteed. A fix would be nice, though.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I have this bug. freaking sux. Quite hard to play NS on higher end computers, since they are high traffic areas and my parents are around

God_Killer · July 2004

Well I finaly formatted, bugs are gone, almost.
Got the mouse bug 3 times in 3 hours so its acceptable, well not REALLY but!
Oh and I figured out why I coulnt leap and blink

cl_lc "0"
cl_lw "0"

It should be
cl_lc "1"
cl_lw "1"

I might just get a new mouse with more buttons...

Chez · July 2004

it's all mental <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' />

btw if ur mouse is freaking out, clean it, as for the aim, your choking man your choking.

Squinage · July 2004

I had the same thing.

It was as if my mouse was "lagging", and got very annoying, especially in the middle of a fire fight

I have an optical, I found that I was running too many backgorund processes, using up memory, which created the lag.

Try running this program:

<a href='http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/system/maxmem.htm' target='_blank'>MaxMem</a>

It worked for me.

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