Evangelical Discussion Of Israel
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<span style='color:white'>Admins note: These two posts were split from the America - Israel thread. I had told you to keep the theological references in a seperate topic, folks.</span>
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 30 2004, 05:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 30 2004, 05:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, my question remains. <i>Who</i> is supposed to declare war on Israel? The implicit argument behind many posts in here is that Israel is surrounded by ready and aggressive enemies, when there has been no political or military such sign from the neighbouring states for well over a decade.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, everyday there seems to be some kind of "terror" bombing or attempt (on both sides of the Jewish state and Palestinian).
(sorry if this is too long and “preachy” just read the highlighted stuff if you get bored)
But, how long is it, do you suppose, until the new EU decides that "enough is enough" and that they, like the US in Iraq, are going to "solve" the "terror" problem. Except they will <b>not be on the side of the Jews</b>, they will be on the Palestinian side. This cannot happen until America is forced to withdraw support to Israel. (Christ would have already returned by this point, but not revealed himself yet) So, with the support gone, and the nations closing in, who else can the Jews turn to except their original master and Lord? Then the messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ) will indeed appear unto them, and save them from the oppressing nations (note: they are the apostate "Christian" nations Rev. 16:13-16), and <b>the Jews will finally accept Christ as their savior.</b> (Read Zechariah chapter 13-14)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Zechariah 13:6 And [one] shall say unto him, What [are] these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, [Those] with which I was wounded [in] the house of my friends.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, I wanted to mention that currently, the Jews are in an apostate form as well, however, via birthright, they are still God's people and he will have mercy on them, if they humble themselves. A lot of people overlook this in the Bible, but the real hope is the hope of Israel (Jacob). which was promised before, namely Abraham, that Abraham and his seed would have the land and would dwell there forever. <b><span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>(Unless you are Jewish, you are NOT of Abraham's seed)</b></span>
That doesn't sound fair, right? Israel, as im sure we know, disobeyed God in the past, and when the messiah did come, they rejected him! Which is why the Temple was destroyed and they had been scattered for roughly 2000 years, until the end of WW2 when they finally got the land back. (1948- strangely, that is around the same time that Jacob was renamed 'Israel' if you count years from the beginning of creation) But anyway, since God's own people rejected his son, he allowed gentiles to be heirs to promises as well. (this was actually foretold in the old testament, Paul calls it a mystery that was revealed because of Christ's appearing)
<!--QuoteBegin- Galatians chapter 3 (read all of it to get context)+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ( Galatians chapter 3 (read all of it to get context))</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'> baptized into Christ have put on Christ.</span>
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then <b>are <span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.</span></b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So in the end, God is glorified because people willingly do his will, instead of own.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; <b>but he that doeth the will of my Father</b> which is in heaven.</span>
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<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jun 30 2004, 05:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 30 2004, 05:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, my question remains. <i>Who</i> is supposed to declare war on Israel? The implicit argument behind many posts in here is that Israel is surrounded by ready and aggressive enemies, when there has been no political or military such sign from the neighbouring states for well over a decade.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, everyday there seems to be some kind of "terror" bombing or attempt (on both sides of the Jewish state and Palestinian).
(sorry if this is too long and “preachy” just read the highlighted stuff if you get bored)
But, how long is it, do you suppose, until the new EU decides that "enough is enough" and that they, like the US in Iraq, are going to "solve" the "terror" problem. Except they will <b>not be on the side of the Jews</b>, they will be on the Palestinian side. This cannot happen until America is forced to withdraw support to Israel. (Christ would have already returned by this point, but not revealed himself yet) So, with the support gone, and the nations closing in, who else can the Jews turn to except their original master and Lord? Then the messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ) will indeed appear unto them, and save them from the oppressing nations (note: they are the apostate "Christian" nations Rev. 16:13-16), and <b>the Jews will finally accept Christ as their savior.</b> (Read Zechariah chapter 13-14)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Zechariah 13:6 And [one] shall say unto him, What [are] these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, [Those] with which I was wounded [in] the house of my friends.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, I wanted to mention that currently, the Jews are in an apostate form as well, however, via birthright, they are still God's people and he will have mercy on them, if they humble themselves. A lot of people overlook this in the Bible, but the real hope is the hope of Israel (Jacob). which was promised before, namely Abraham, that Abraham and his seed would have the land and would dwell there forever. <b><span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>(Unless you are Jewish, you are NOT of Abraham's seed)</b></span>
That doesn't sound fair, right? Israel, as im sure we know, disobeyed God in the past, and when the messiah did come, they rejected him! Which is why the Temple was destroyed and they had been scattered for roughly 2000 years, until the end of WW2 when they finally got the land back. (1948- strangely, that is around the same time that Jacob was renamed 'Israel' if you count years from the beginning of creation) But anyway, since God's own people rejected his son, he allowed gentiles to be heirs to promises as well. (this was actually foretold in the old testament, Paul calls it a mystery that was revealed because of Christ's appearing)
<!--QuoteBegin- Galatians chapter 3 (read all of it to get context)+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ( Galatians chapter 3 (read all of it to get context))</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'> baptized into Christ have put on Christ.</span>
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then <b>are <span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.</span></b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So in the end, God is glorified because people willingly do his will, instead of own.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; <b>but he that doeth the will of my Father</b> which is in heaven.</span>
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Well, everyday there seems to be some kind of "terror" bombing or attempt (on both sides of the Jewish state and Palestinian).
(sorry if this is too long and “preachy” just read the highlighted stuff if you get bored)
But, how long is it, do you suppose, until the new EU decides that "enough is enough" and that they, like the US in Iraq, are going to "solve" the "terror" problem. Except they will <b>not be on the side of the Jews</b>, they will be on the Palestinian side. This cannot happen until America is forced to withdraw support to Israel. (Christ would have already returned by this point, but not revealed himself yet) So, with the support gone, and the nations closing in, who else can the Jews turn to except their original master and Lord? Then the messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ) will indeed appear unto them, and save them from the oppressing nations (note: they are the apostate "Christian" nations Rev. 16:13-16), and <b>the Jews will finally accept Christ as their savior.</b> (Read Zechariah chapter 13-14)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Zechariah 13:6 And [one] shall say unto him, What [are] these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, [Those] with which I was wounded [in] the house of my friends.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, I wanted to mention that currently, the Jews are in an apostate form as well, however, via birthright, they are still God's people and he will have mercy on them, if they humble themselves. A lot of people overlook this in the Bible, but the real hope is the hope of Israel (Jacob). which was promised before, namely Abraham, that Abraham and his seed would have the land and would dwell there forever. <b><span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>(Unless you are Jewish, you are NOT of Abraham's seed)</b></span>
That doesn't sound fair, right? Israel, as im sure we know, disobeyed God in the past, and when the messiah did come, they rejected him! Which is why the Temple was destroyed and they had been scattered for roughly 2000 years, until the end of WW2 when they finally got the land back. (1948- strangely, that is around the same time that Jacob was renamed 'Israel' if you count years from the beginning of creation) But anyway, since God's own people rejected his son, he allowed gentiles to be heirs to promises as well. (this was actually foretold in the old testament, Paul calls it a mystery that was revealed because of Christ's appearing)
<!--QuoteBegin- Galatians chapter 3 (read all of it to get context)+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ( Galatians chapter 3 (read all of it to get context))</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been<span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'> baptized into Christ have put on Christ.</span>
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then <b>are <span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.</span></b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So in the end, God is glorified because people willingly do his will, instead of own.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; <b>but he that doeth the will of my Father</b> which is in heaven.</span>
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hope you guys don't think im "preaching" too much or anything... but if you wanna know more PM me or msg me sometime... and no i dont want your money <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow that was thorough.
But as to Nem's response to my piece: Thats just it though- the "Various Media" do get together and do things. And there is quite obviously a national media that supplies everything, and directs where things go- hince why on the 2nd day after 9/11, all focus was brought off of what happened for 1 day- and went to "Who did it?"- then the next day it went back again. Not many people noticed this, but those that did sure as hell recorded it, and I have since only seen that on everything for that day.
There is at least some kind of uniform agreement in the media to keep doing stuff for Israel.
But to contra something:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>the Jews will finally accept Christ as their savior.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is not true. 144,000 Jews will convert, and the nation will be torn apart- then it will be only hardcore religionists against the one world religion that is formed.
I won't comment any further in here as I do not consider the bible a valid basis for contemporary political discussions, but this one, I can't let slide. What makes you think that 'the EU', which does not even own a joint army at this point, would invade Israel? The EU is currently Israels second biggest benefactor.