I'm Such A Geek.

7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
I just wondered aloud to a friend of mine what my spine's bandwidth would be.


In other news, a LAN made of the spinal cords of my dead lackeys and prisoners would be tha shiznit addition to my evil science lab.

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  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    Sorry to burst your bubble. But I'm pretty sure that a standard cat5 cable will outperform your spine in overall throughput.
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    On a different note. The thought of a spine suddenly made me realize that our sense of touch and pain being locational completely confuses me.

    Like, you cut your finger, and your brain knows that you specifically cut your finger, not that just something is wrong in general.
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    Why wouldn't it be that way? That's why we've got nerve endings in our fingers. A router knows where a signal is coming from, and where to send it to, right? Your spine basically acts as a router which sends signals from each thing connected to it to the brain, and then back from the brain to the muscles.
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  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    But, like, your brain is in your head. But the pain is in your finger. I can't quite express what I'm thinking.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-[WHO]Them+Jul 17 2004, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WHO]Them @ Jul 17 2004, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But, like, your brain is in your head. But the pain is in your finger. I can't quite express what I'm thinking. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Your finger isn't sending pain itself, only the message of pain. Your brain is then stimulated in a certain spot, and has over the years learned to associate the orgins of pain to the feeling.

    This is how amputees get "phantom pains" and can still "feel" their limbs.
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-[WHO+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WHO)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Them,Jul 17 2004, 12:05 AM] But, like, your brain is in your head. But the pain is in your finger. I can't quite express what I'm thinking. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The human body is not a single mass. It is a collection of connected organs which work mostly independently of each other. The brain (and in the case of many autonomic functions, the secondary nervous system centered around our stomach) is sort of a server that drives them. Each organ reports its status individually, therefore the brain handles these signals separately.

    Re: spinal bandwidth. Apparently it's hard to tell, both because we aren't sure of certain things and because the system is complex. This one discussion I googled up discussed the topic, but didn't actually give a number, because the spine branches off and varies from place to place enough that it's hard to say what the bandwidth is. A discussion on slashdot which was hard for me to follow puts the bandwidth of a nerve fiber at anywhere from 300bps to 5Mbps, depending on which person you ask.
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    I know all the things that you guys are saying. But......

    GAHHHH, I can't put what I'm thinking into words.


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  • BelgarionBelgarion Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 973Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-404NotFound+Jul 16 2004, 10:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (404NotFound @ Jul 16 2004, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *image 404 posted but that i will refrain from spamming again* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    roflroflrofl. thankyou 404. that's the best thing i've seen all day.
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    <!--QuoteBegin-Belgarion+Jul 17 2004, 12:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Belgarion @ Jul 17 2004, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-404NotFound+Jul 16 2004, 10:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (404NotFound @ Jul 16 2004, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *image 404 posted but that i will refrain from spamming again* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    roflroflrofl. thankyou 404. that's the best thing i've seen all day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    Ah. I think I understand what you mean, [WHO]Them. You know that your brain would recognize and process the locational information, but you're confused at the idea that you actually <i>feel</i> the pain on your finger.

    The answer is what 404 said. The individual nerve endings at the location only send the message "damaged!" When the brain gets all these signals in tandem from a certain point on the nervous network, it reinterprets the signal as there being pain in that area. Since, as far as can be told, your consciousness, the actual part of your body that is "you," is somewhere in your brain, this signal is what matters. In the lizard parts that drive these operations you see, you do not envision yourself as a brain in communication with the parts of your body. Even though it doesn't precisely work that way, because you're in the server that drives these things, you live in sort of a "body image" that recognizes itself as a whole. It's kind of like there's another little tiny version of yourself sitting in your brain controlling your body with the use of a HUD. (HUD meaning the concept of direct sensory input of needful information, as opposed to a separate interface you have to look at.)
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    Sometimes I think about, what if everybody sees color in a diffrent way? Like when you see red, it actually looks like blue. But since in kindergarten they told you it was called red, that has been what you called it ever since. So you have no way of knowing you see it diffrently, because nobody can see it exactly like you do.
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Xyth+Jul 16 2004, 10:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xyth @ Jul 16 2004, 10:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sometimes I think about, what if everybody sees color in a diffrent way? Like when you see red, it actually looks like blue. But since in kindergarten they told you it was called red, that has been what you called it ever since. So you have no way of knowing you see it diffrently, because nobody can see it exactly like you do. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yeah, that got to me too. Which poses the question of whether most people's favorite color is in-fact the same interpreted color.
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    Well, that's an easy enough question to answer. Go find out which wavelenghts of light correspond to peoples' favorite color. Unless reality as a whole is constructed subjectively, in which case this test, and in fact all tests, are meaningless, wavelengths of light are universally objective. It wouldn't matter what each person interprets it as visually/mentally, since we know which color is which.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-007Bistromath+Jul 17 2004, 01:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (007Bistromath @ Jul 17 2004, 01:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, that's an easy enough question to answer. Go find out which wavelenghts of light correspond to peoples' favorite color. Unless reality as a whole is constructed subjectively, in which case this test, and in fact all tests, are meaningless, wavelengths of light are universally objective. It wouldn't matter what each person interprets it as visually/mentally, since we know which color is which. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah it comes down to the actual wave length, that and the exact way your eyes interpret the sensory information. As long as the interpretation is done normally, then the color seen would be the "actual" color it is. Perception is subjective then? I really don't want to believe it to such a degree, but I am having a hard time trying to describe a color in innate terms.

    Maybe I'm missing part of the puzzle though...
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-[WHO]Them+Jul 17 2004, 01:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WHO]Them @ Jul 17 2004, 01:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Xyth+Jul 16 2004, 10:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xyth @ Jul 16 2004, 10:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sometimes I think about, what if everybody sees color in a diffrent way? Like when you see red, it actually looks like blue. But since in kindergarten they told you it was called red, that has been what you called it ever since. So you have no way of knowing you see it diffrently, because nobody can see it exactly like you do. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yeah, that got to me too. Which poses the question of whether most people's favorite color is in-fact the same interpreted color. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's what color-blindness tests are for. Our perceptions probably aren't different, since contrasting colors and blending colors have been proven to be consistant.
  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Jul 17 2004, 01:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Jul 17 2004, 01:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yeah it comes down to the actual wave length, that and the exact way your eyes interpret the sensory information. As long as the interpretation is done normally, then the color seen would be the "actual" color it is. Perception is subjective then? I really don't want to believe it to such a degree, but I am having a hard time trying to describe a color in innate terms.

    Maybe I'm missing part of the puzzle though... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're takling about philosophy now, not science. This question is not answerable.
  • SalvationSalvation Join Date: 2003-11-21 Member: 23300Members
    wow

    i wish i came up with this, could have wasted alot of time my time <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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