Whats Lame And Whats Not?
Ollj
our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
<div class="IPBDescription">opinions and onions about short games.</div> Its almost funny, you see a game ending in less than 5 minutes and at least 2 ppl claim that "this was lame" or that he "knows that the game is unballanced" just because of a complete lack of defense of one team, wich is the simple reason for such short games most times, apart from F4ing or stacking.
But "zerg rushes" and "tower rushes", simply very offensive games with a little risk are just part of good real time strategy game and part of ballancing them.
so this is my opinion about what is "lame" and what not:
Loosing a game - no (essential for lame whining)
F4 to surrender - no (its not fun but fair)
Shotgun rush or any rush on the first hive - no (just get lerks)
Skulk rush - no (just get mines)
2 hive lockdown and a lot of electrifiing - no (just get mc and healing gorges)
Spawncamping - no (valid offensive strategy for both sides)
Relocating to double or infront of the first hive - no (just get anything but dc first)
Killing with doors and elevators - no (killed a chargng 3 hive onos in a door once)
Phasegate and ip fragging - yes (unneccessary kills on both sides)
Any kinds of exploits, bunnyhopping and unrealistic fast shooting / behavior - yes (ns is no realism mod but keep it fair!)
Build huge walls of lame in a lost game - yes (most times no need to extend that game)
Friendly fire on - yes (ns doesnt fit to friendly fire)
Stacking of experienced players in one team - yes (not fair)
having powersilo or maintenance as starting hive - oooh yes (not ballanced)
Stop the lame whining anyways.
But "zerg rushes" and "tower rushes", simply very offensive games with a little risk are just part of good real time strategy game and part of ballancing them.
so this is my opinion about what is "lame" and what not:
Loosing a game - no (essential for lame whining)
F4 to surrender - no (its not fun but fair)
Shotgun rush or any rush on the first hive - no (just get lerks)
Skulk rush - no (just get mines)
2 hive lockdown and a lot of electrifiing - no (just get mc and healing gorges)
Spawncamping - no (valid offensive strategy for both sides)
Relocating to double or infront of the first hive - no (just get anything but dc first)
Killing with doors and elevators - no (killed a chargng 3 hive onos in a door once)
Phasegate and ip fragging - yes (unneccessary kills on both sides)
Any kinds of exploits, bunnyhopping and unrealistic fast shooting / behavior - yes (ns is no realism mod but keep it fair!)
Build huge walls of lame in a lost game - yes (most times no need to extend that game)
Friendly fire on - yes (ns doesnt fit to friendly fire)
Stacking of experienced players in one team - yes (not fair)
having powersilo or maintenance as starting hive - oooh yes (not ballanced)
Stop the lame whining anyways.
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Your saying bhopping is an exploit? <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>
F4 to surrender - no (its not fun but fair)
Friendly fire on - yes (ns doesnt fit to friendly fire)
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f4 is just annoying,most servers kick f4ers
ff on ns is fine
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Your saying bhopping is an exploit?<span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, just unrealistic.
And its not fair moving 1,5 times as fast just because you can and others dont.
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Your saying bhopping is an exploit? <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, just unrealistic.
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It isn't that others can't they just won't
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Agreed!
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Yeah cos these guys are the reason they lost! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='color:white'>Related post nuked.</span>
With that said, I find phase rushes pretty lame....but it's there XD
And about bunnyhopping....
Flayra removed it for the marines and left them in for aliens. Nuff' said. It's staying in the game until it's decided to be removed.
EDIT : Don't get me wrong though, I can't bunnyhop at all so meh.
I agree with the OP that stacking of skilled players on one side is cheap and ruins the game on many occassions.
What is more annoying are the people who constantly <span style='color:white'>Dodge this.</span> about noobs even when most of the players on the team have tried their hardest.
Instead of saying: "gj guys, we tried, we should of done this and this prolly for teh win"
they go: "OMG you f**king nubs p**s me off"
And then, there are these people with the gall to actually tell you to uninstall NS.
I rank these people alongside the lamers who presume they can tell others how to play, and what is l337 and what is lame, just because they top the kill list.
Get a life.
i hate spawn camping for the win but only if they do it untill they get jp's
wol is a nessisary part of winning a game. you need to pin them in. if you dont you may find yourself out af a hive and a new marine base in its place. from there they move quickly to the second hive and if you cannt save it in time your in deep. this is unlikely but i have seen the three hive loss many times before (leaves you saying how in the hell did that happen). even if you have them pined in inside 5 min you still need to make sure they cannt get out. you will only have a few fades at most by the 5 min mark and hive one fades are no match against 10 marines.
you need healing stations around MS to quikly hit and run untill you have killed enough of them to finaly crush them. marines do not get weaker dispite the fact they are loseing. by the 5 min mark they have armor 1 and wepons 2 maybe even hmg's (rfk = no need for rt's).
edit...
or did you mean wol at the end for the kharra? if so yes that is lame.
Second result <a href='http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/' target='_blank'>http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/</a>
Agreed.
its usually not a case of not wanting to defend the hive its more of a cant.
and in the case of what is and what isnt lame i find Kamikaze's sig extremely lame.
Most of the players lack uhm..discipline
I honestly cannot stand this, no matter what team I'm on. If you're on the verge of victory, you deserve it as well as the benefits of it. But if you want to drag it on and rub it in your opponent's face, could your victory truly be relished? Perhaps by you, but you're not going to hear much "GG" from people.
As for F4ing, I simply don't. I'd much rather go down fighting than to notice at the last second the rest of my team has abandoned me.
F4ing may not be lame, but it is dishonorable... which is just as bad if not worse.
Second result <a href='http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/' target='_blank'>http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/</a><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.planetfortress.com/misanthropy/bunnyhopping.asp' target='_blank'>Here</a>'s another one for ya. I can't seem to find the TFC guide I originally used (I saw it on IRC one fine morning, but I forgot to add it to my favorites and I haven't seen it since), but I'll keep looking.
Second result <a href='http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/' target='_blank'>http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/</a><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.planetfortress.com/misanthropy/bunnyhopping.asp' target='_blank'>Here</a>'s another one for ya. I can't seem to find the TFC guide I originally used (I saw it on IRC one fine morning, but I forgot to add it to my favorites and I haven't seen it since), but I'll keep looking. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And yet another <a href='http://www.si-central.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=119' target='_blank'>one</a> for scrubs who dont' want to admit learning to bhop is easier than they think
Second result <a href='http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/' target='_blank'>http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/</a><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.planetfortress.com/misanthropy/bunnyhopping.asp' target='_blank'>Here</a>'s another one for ya. I can't seem to find the TFC guide I originally used (I saw it on IRC one fine morning, but I forgot to add it to my favorites and I haven't seen it since), but I'll keep looking. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And yet another <a href='http://www.si-central.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=119' target='_blank'>one</a> for scrubs who dont' want to admit learning to bhop is easier than they think <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
oh oh! i've got one too!
<a href='http://bhop.othell.com/' target='_blank'>http://bhop.othell.com/</a>
<a href='http://bhop.othell.com/' target='_blank'>http://bhop.othell.com/</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's the one I saw on IRC! Many thanks. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also agreed.