Actors Vs. American Football Players
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<div class="IPBDescription">OT poll requested by hawthorne</div> <!--QuoteBegin-hawthorne+Aug 2 2004, 07:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hawthorne @ Aug 2 2004, 07:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->my roomie and i managed to stay up for 5 hours arguing about which took greater talent to achieve
success as an a-list actor (example: halle berry, tom hanks)
success as a nfl star (example: micheal vick, ladanian tomlinson)
(talent meaning something you are born with, not trained)
i would like to hear your ideas and a POLL if admins could add such a thing for me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This poll was set up based on <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=76762' target='_blank'>this thread by Hawthorne</a>.
success as an a-list actor (example: halle berry, tom hanks)
success as a nfl star (example: micheal vick, ladanian tomlinson)
(talent meaning something you are born with, not trained)
i would like to hear your ideas and a POLL if admins could add such a thing for me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This poll was set up based on <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=76762' target='_blank'>this thread by Hawthorne</a>.
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Whereas to be a NFL player, you have to have tremendous amounts of dedication with TONS of skill, as well as tons of hard work to get your body in shape for the kind of punishment you go through on the field. (Trust me to get that fit, you have to work out ALOT).
Also I think NFL requires more talent because technically they are already actors(not a-list but they are paid like a-list actors). They are on TV all the time and they do commercials aswell. And since half or more of the A-list actors can't really act(for instance Julia Roberts). NFL WINS.
Tom Hanks would be recognized in almost any country on the planet and be given special treatment. John Elway...maybe every state in the union, some parts of Canda perhaps, and that's about it. American Football isn't that popular in Europe, Rolando would probably get more recognition in some parts of the world than John Elway.
Anyways, I've played football for 3 years and of course it is WAAyyy more physically challenging (*shudders*...hell week....which begins in 8 days), but I still think being an actor is more challenging. Think of all the work the "popular" actors/actresses have gone through just to be recognized...the industry is just too big.
Bad physical condition (this one might not always apply to actors in general, but for an a-list actor capable of playing any type of movie (like Tom Hanks), then you're going to want physical fitness).
Bad concentration
Bad team skills
Bad judgement
All of them would be bad for both people, but actors also need to deal with their speaking ability, their believabilty and numerous other factors.
That and the above mentioning of at least one star player on each NFL team and only a few A-list actors (if you think Julia Roberts is an A-list actor...well, then you're messed up in the head or something <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
Being born with good looks, is laughable. Makeup can make anyone look good.
A professional football player, on the other hand, is born with a big, strong body that has good reflexes and etc. etc.
I think any of us gamers have the potential to be a good actor with enough work, whereas an athelete is born with natural abilites he hones.
Therefore football players win.
Being born with good looks, is laughable. Makeup can make anyone look good.
A professional football player, on the other hand, is born with a big, strong body that has good reflexes and etc. etc.
I think any of us gamers have the potential to be a good actor with enough work, whereas an athelete is born with natural abilites he hones.
Therefore football players win. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you think anyone of us could win an Oscar you are sadly mistaken.
Being an A-list actor requires more than good acting skills. To make it anywhere in hollywood you have to have an unbeleivable amount of charisma, staying power, and great networking skills.
Someone like Tom Hanks was born to be an actor pure and simple. The same could be said for John Elway being a football player, but its far less common to find people with the ability to come up in the movie business. You can train all your life and act in hundreds of movies and still never gain notiraity, as is the case with thousands of actors. This is true for the NFL as well but if the point is which takes more talent, as in inate abilities, it would still be acting.
And being born with physical build for football is kind of silly. I've seen plenty of pretty looking babies, I have yet to see a baby with giant biceps and an iron like physic.
Bad physical condition (this one might not always apply to actors in general, but for an a-list actor capable of playing any type of movie (like Tom Hanks), then you're going to want physical fitness).
Bad concentration
Bad team skills
Bad judgement
All of them would be bad for both people, but actors also need to deal with their speaking ability, their believabilty and numerous other factors.
That and the above mentioning of at least one star player on each NFL team and only a few A-list actors (if you think Julia Roberts is an A-list actor...well, then you're messed up in the head or something <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Umm, sorry guy but she is an A-list actress. She makes the most money of any female actress in the business($20 million). Definately a lot more than Halle Berry.
As for the talent vs hard work statement from a couple posts ago, thanks for reading one part of my post and taking it as all I said. I also said that most actors/actresses have little to none acting ability meaning what you might perceive as talent is just hard-work that got the actor/actress recognized and in the position they are in.
Being born with good looks, is laughable. Makeup can make anyone look good.
A professional football player, on the other hand, is born with a big, strong body that has good reflexes and etc. etc.
I think any of us gamers have the potential to be a good actor with enough work, whereas an athelete is born with natural abilites he hones.
Therefore football players win. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you think anyone of us could win an Oscar you are sadly mistaken.
Being an A-list actor requires more than good acting skills. To make it anywhere in hollywood you have to have an unbeleivable amount of charisma, staying power, and great networking skills.
Someone like Tom Hanks was born to be an actor pure and simple. The same could be said for John Elway being a football player, but its far less common to find people with the ability to come up in the movie business. You can train all your life and act in hundreds of movies and still never gain notiraity, as is the case with thousands of actors. This is true for the NFL as well but if the point is which takes more talent, as in inate abilities, it would still be acting.
And being born with physical build for football is kind of silly. I've seen plenty of pretty looking babies, I have yet to see a baby with giant biceps and an iron like physic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not true at all, social skills are leanred, being born with a huge build is a gift from god
While some actors make it and some don't, big deal, the big actors got that way through hard work, whereas the big football players got there through hard work, but they were first born with the ideal body to succeed in the sport
And it is a big deal to be born with the ability to be a great actor, it also helps to be born into the right families. I still put being born into a star family as a talent since your last name is somthing you are born with <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You can boil the arguments down to which business is harder to break into to, and acting wins hands down.
Also if you take a person and put them through a bunch of surgery to make them look exactly like Tom Hanks, and take a person and give them the exact build as Tom Brady, give them both lessons for 2 years, and then send them out to do their respective jobs, I can bet that the guy made to be a football player would be at least 80% as good as the real deal.
Football players are taught how to play, yes, but they need to natural born talent to throw, catch, etc.
Basically it all boils down to, actors can be made and aren't born with the natural talent. Football players are born with talent and are taught the game.
you can't play pro football if you SUCK. you just get CANNED. you don't stay famous and keep doing movies here and there. you get CANNED.
<b>think about it.</b>
Jocks can learn? Natural Born Talent to Throw and Catch? I don't know about you, but I think anyone could do any of that. All you need is practice.
Bad physical condition (this one might not always apply to actors in general, but for an a-list actor capable of playing any type of movie (like Tom Hanks), then you're going to want physical fitness).
Bad concentration
Bad team skills
Bad judgement
All of them would be bad for both people, but actors also need to deal with their speaking ability, their believabilty and numerous other factors.
That and the above mentioning of at least one star player on each NFL team and only a few A-list actors (if you think Julia Roberts is an A-list actor...well, then you're messed up in the head or something <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Umm, sorry guy but she is an A-list actress. She makes the most money of any female actress in the business($20 million). Definately a lot more than Halle Berry.
As for the talent vs hard work statement from a couple posts ago, thanks for reading one part of my post and taking it as all I said. I also said that most actors/actresses have little to none acting ability meaning what you might perceive as talent is just hard-work that got the actor/actress recognized and in the position they are in. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I actually base my A-list actor ratings on how good I think an actor is - not on how much they're paid.
For example:
Everyone (Every single one - even the dude who wets himself) in Gladiator > Julia Roberts.
Halle Berry's not really up there on the 'able to act' list either. Ooh, wow - Catwoman - grrrr <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
And for your example, Zig: lots of people remember lots of Football players. Few people remember actors from outside of their time frame. You hear about the Joe Montanas and Bart Starrs all the time, there are few actors ahead of the late 70's that are consistently remembered in day to day conversation.
It just goes to show: it's harder to become a well known, 'echoing through history as a great person' actor than a star football player.
Throwing out junk into the argument to win are we?
Keep this realistic, steroids do not make you a one man football team, nor do growth hormones. Steroids stimulate <b>what you already have</b>. Give steriods to a big burly football player and you get a burly++ football player.
Give steroids to a skinny white kid like myself and you get a skinny++ white kid with shrunken ****.
Thanks, but somehow I don't think being a big person is as easy as that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Jocks can learn? Natural Born Talent to Throw and Catch? I don't know about you, but I think anyone could do any of that. All you need is practice.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
so why aren't you in college football yet? Ever consider you need god given phsyche to be good at sports?
really, they defined talent as something you are BORN with... football players are blessed with a strong body, actors learn some social skillz and how to fake stuff and they are done.
Oh, and if someone is gonna say to me why don't I act if it's so easy: Because I don't want to. Not because I can't. Unlike sports, which I know I could never go professional even if I wanted to with all of my heart. Go watch the movie Rudy if you don't believe me.
To be honest, becoming an A-list actor is reaching the highest point in <i>international</i> fame, being recognised throughout the whole world. Becoming an NFL "star" is, well, mediocre in comparison. Wow, you're famous in America, good on you, enjoy your 15 minutes of fame until you realise there's only 7 people outside of America that care, and they're probable tourists.
Acting requires a hell of a lot of talent, sure, anyone can break into the business or take acting classes, but that doesn't make them an actor. Some parts of acting you are simply born with, they might be able to be teach you them, but you will never do it to a standard that someone who has natural talent can.
In my time i've worked with both amateurs, local theatre and the Royal Shakespeare Company, as far as British acting goes, i've pretty much seen the entire spectrum. You can tell the good actors from the bad actors before they speak. Not only do they have a certain atmosphere about them, but everything they say, well spoken, clear, perfect volume, tone, everything. Sure, they can be trained, but a lot of amateurs don't even consider such things off stage.
Oh, and don't mind me, i just find it laughable that it's a "gift" to be born with "talent" for becoming a football player. Great, you were built with a certain type of frame, yeah, great gift there. Now put on 17 layers of protection and get out on that field! You're a natural! Please. Natural talent for throwing and catching? Are we really scraping the bottom of the barrel now?
I'd hate be standing in line for that when they handed the talent out. You'd get all the greatest artists and composers at the front, getting handed the ability to paint, the ability to sing, the ability to write music, then, much much futher back, you've got the football players, the ability to throw, the ability to catch, the ability to blow condoms up over your head using your nose.
Jocks can learn? Natural Born Talent to Throw and Catch? I don't know about you, but I think anyone could do any of that. All you need is practice. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Stereotypes suck.</b>
Of course there are people who have natural born talent to throw and catch. And if you think football is just a game of throwing and catching, then you are not only being ignorant but you are very stupid sir.
I'm sure the actual quote is written in alot more beautiful prose, but this pretty much sums it up. Theres no requirement in god-given talent ot become anything, short of the raw physical prerequisites - and even those can be circumvented nowadays, because short of being in any countrys airforce you don't need good natural eyesight (and even there I'm not sure if surgery is an option or not - commerical or hobby piloting I'm fairly certain it is). To become extremely proficient at something, you have to dedicate yourself to it and keep improving - recognition and fortune on the other hand take little skill, alot of luck and a good eye for opportunity.
As such, to become recognized in the top tier doesn't require more than mediocrity and some luck or intelligence, and this whole discussion is kind of pointless <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh, and if someone is gonna say to me why don't I act if it's so easy: Because I don't want to. Not because I can't. Unlike sports, which I know I could never go professional even if I wanted to with all of my heart. Go watch the movie Rudy if you don't believe me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Short of having a chronic illness, you can just fine. The problem is you probably do not see enough motivation in it to dedicate the next 15 years of your life to it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Not to be a ****, but to be a good actor or as good as an NFL star, yes they can. To have the success of either, thats a different story <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Acting can be learned if you work hard enough.
Of course could you consider the innate drive to succeed talent as well?
Meh, null vote.
Because I don't want to be a jock. I know you need a good body to be a good athlete, luckily for me I don't want to be one, hence why I don't work on getting a great body.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->really, they defined talent as something you are BORN with... football players are blessed with a strong body, actors learn some social skillz and how to fake stuff and they are done.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I don't any athlete is just born with a great body, they have to work for it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Go watch the movie Rudy if you don't believe me.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Great movie.