Gathers are a definatley a good way to keep the community active, and possibly a means for new talent to be spotted and clans to be formed...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> p.s. at the moment the only regular "pcw" we play is a training on sunday against the same clan every week
real pcw are very seldom :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go in #ns.search WHENEVER you have 6, and play a pcw. Get that firmly planted in your head and it wont be a problem. Of course, if you have trouble getting 6...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->you've admitted yourself that you've never played in a clan. teamwork in a clan is beyond anything lunixmonster will ever serve up, whether you like to admit it or not. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing the Euro community, and right now the Euro pub community blows huge colossal chunks out of its collective bottom. THAT is why people are going elsewhere. I'm sorry if you don't like my choice of server, but thats really not my problem.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i've met plenty of people who can go 50-10, but can barely hold their own in a pug or scrim. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who boasts about K:D in NS? Its a team game, not "who can win with the best score". If it was a score game I'd be on some pos Euro server enjoying low pings and rampaging through marines like they were wheat. It's a team game, so I'm going where the teamwork is.
As you may or may not know, if the pub community blows, people won't hang around for the competitive play. I'm not huge into clanning, but I know other people are, and I can be certain that if the Euro pub play is DIRE then noone is going to be keen on sticking around.
The US servers might not be fantastic either but they've got several decent servers, and that tops what I've seen on the local level.
I'm not advertising a server, and I'm not sticking the boot into clans Camo, so why do you jump entirely off topic and bring both up? You know if you can't counter my points then drop it, flying off topic is just sad.
ok, just real quick, can someone explain to me what exactly a gather is? is it like a pick up game in the states, or are we talking scrims (PCWs) here? how many active clans are there remaining in the euro community? like i've said, it'd take only a team of 4-5 people to organize a tournament or something, and i'll be damned if no one over there is capable of this. it's a matter of who's willing to do something about it, rather then simply posting on a forum about it.
why do i care? the euro-community is as much a part of the ns community as the american clan community, and since we're both going through pretty much the same thing, it only makes sense to try to help out or suggest ideas. if someone does begin organizing something to the like, best of luck to you.
there are really some problems with clans and pcw. euro ns looks like a little familly in the clan point but there are more than 10000 players. i dont know why, but the ns players have a big uninterest to join in a clan, create a clan or make pcws. I try somethink. Make Sponsoring actions for players who diside creating a clan or is a new clan. VoiceServer, Webspace, trainingsserver, and and and. But no. Nobody wants. Thats for clans
To the Point League. For some weeks, we had a german combat cup. After the 3rd match we must stop the league. Many Players leave, was uninterested at playing. Wasnt online at match meetings,... And one big Problem was, that we did a bad pointssystem, that wasnt confirmed for leavers, so we did also misstakes and stop the league. After that we learn about our misstakes and work to make a new League Or Cup. I understand also that creating a league or a cup only for his land isnt a big benefit for ns. So on this Friday we will Release our new plan about a "European Combat Cup". I hope it will a really big Cup with fun & nice wars. It is a Combat Cup. I know it isnt intersting for clans, e.t.c. but we will start with this step and i dont want to discus about co is good or bad. Our next Step will be a European NS Cup for Clans. But at moment is our site mostly in german. Next Year January, perhaps this december, we release a new site system in multilanguage and new Design. Than we can also make a NS Cup for all Clans. One Problem of these all and why it take till 4 or 5 months is that nobody wants to help. I did a annoucement that we searching for league admins. There are so many Players at Quakenet but there was only 2 Persons who dicede to help. To One i ask myself because i talk sometimes with him, and another play ns new since some months long and read or news on any newsbot. That is really crazy. I also post here in the league & cups portal. But no answer. There are so many people who are saying, ää there are no cups, no fun, not only here in forum, you can hear it everywhere, but there is no one who say, hey there is some interesting parts for me, i want allways a league (cup), lets help a little and i get my fun faster & better. But the best of most players do this: äää bad league, bad admins,... flaming a³ and do the best to currupt projects that is done for his fun. sorry if i be alittle emotionaly. i hope i could tell some think that we try to do somethink for ns, maybee we got 3 o´cloak am and my english is not the best.
if here is anyone intersted in this points and follow also my wish to make ns better, populary and more actions, he can contact me
to much of the "Stockholms syndrome" in the EU ns-community. all the "good" players haveto switch clan after they loose 1 match and that make lotsa clans break up, just stay with the ones u r playing with, no1 r pros from the beginning. or try to get some irl-friends, that kinda like clan-play, u dont leave ur friends if a bunch of other guys show up and is better at something, thay maybe why u dont get friends irl, think about that.
The general lack of interest in clans in NS could be due to the amount of teamwork already basically present in the mod. Folks who play TFC, CS, etc find that teamwork really isn't found in the average match, so they start clans (Or at least I've come to find). That way, they'll have people to work with towards a common goal. In the average NS match, you already do have this sort of teamwork going on. Granted, it's level varies depending on the amount of people in the server and what server you visit, but it's still there. In NS, you don't have to form a clan to get a teamplay experience like you might have to in Counter-Strike, etc. Just a quick theory on all that.
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<!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Aug 10 2004, 01:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Aug 10 2004, 01:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> whatever you say necrosis...
ok, just real quick, can someone explain to me what exactly a gather is? is it like a pick up game in the states, or are we talking scrims (PCWs) here? how many active clans are there remaining in the euro community? like i've said, it'd take only a team of 4-5 people to organize a tournament or something, and i'll be damned if no one over there is capable of this. it's a matter of who's willing to do something about it, rather then simply posting on a forum about it.
why do i care? the euro-community is as much a part of the ns community as the american clan community, and since we're both going through pretty much the same thing, it only makes sense to try to help out or suggest ideas. if someone does begin organizing something to the like, best of luck to you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Gather = PUG, with some minor differences (in how they are organized, mainly). There are probably somewhere around 10 active clans in europe (when I say active I mean "plays at least 3+ matches every week"), around 20 semi-active and another 20-30 that are mostly inactive.
The biggest problem is the fact that most of these teams have fairly tight rosters (usually no more than 6-8 active players at a time), and therefore fall apart whenever some of them decide to move on to other things, or just take a break. On top of this, there's the language problem, which is severely hampering border- to-border interaction, even thoughmost europeans can make themselves understood in english.
A side note to be mentioned is also the fact that most, if not all, of the "old and famous" european clans are now dead, and the community is still hurting bad from that loss.
And as for the organizing of tournaments part: We've had plenty of attempts, but the participants (the clans) usually find some way to sabotage them by either 1. Being arrogant bastards, 2. Going inactive, or 3. Forfeiting matches they know they'll lose (there are probably more ways...).
On the positive side of things: It seems like the european community has gotten more active the last few weeks, with more and more clans playing eachother every day. Let's hope the trend continues.
Last my clan played, our pcw's were against Ariadne, some MtMe mix, or a zaiko/Fana team-sweden kind of mix. Now my clan can't be bothered anymore, because most have gotten bored of the game itself due to lack of updates and variety.
As for the community problem itself, I think it's because there are not enough pubbers who can make the step to clanscene, and when they do, they find out the clanscene is complete bull, laugh, and go back to pubbing or just not play NS anymore. Just go on an average euro pub server, press TAB, and decide which people could possibly have the skill and knowledge to have fun playing against Ariadne, some MtMe mix, or a zaiko/Fana team-sweden kind of mix.
Exactly! There are none. There's been hardly no influx of clan players since 3.0 at least. It's been the same names since 1.04. That cannot be good for the community.
A part of the problem may be the complete lack of recruiting. And the attitude a lot of clanners seem to have is pretty poor as well. Yeah, let's all go aliens and screw over the newbies, that'll teach them<i>!!</i>
I founded the clan #twb few weeks ago, and i am having <b>BIG</b> problems recruiting new members. I am an active player and manny players know me well, but somehow they are not going to join anny clan. Some players don't take me serious, it is awfull.
I think that tehre are enough clans (at least in germany) but the problems are the players who won't join them. Hell, here in ger the best clans are fighting for anny new newb to join them, they offer for every member webspace, BNC and alot more for free, but no one will join them.
The pub community has allready some decent teamplay and they think they don't need a clan for a good game, a clan allso means responsibillity but they forget that clan == more fun.
So here i am, recruted whole 3 members in 3 weeks, but i won't give up.
My previous post was based on my own experience (I've seen 1, maybe 2 players being recruits in, like, 2 years or something) so 3 people in 3 weeks is pretty good in my book <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Buggy+Aug 10 2004, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Buggy @ Aug 10 2004, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now my clan can't be bothered anymore, because most have gotten bored of the game itself due to lack of updates and variety. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Give that man a cookie. Leaving a game in an unbalanced state with 1 good strategy for each side (DC/Fade and PGs) for 6 months isn't the best idea if you want to keep the clanning community alive. LETS GO RELEASE A PATCH ALREADY ANYTHING PLEASE?
<a href='http://nsi.momentofimpact.us/' target='_blank'>http://nsi.momentofimpact.us/</a> - it's an american league being ran right now. Us euros should organise one of our own, give the scene something to do and a reason to be active. People are saying there are leagues coming soon, end of the month or when the patch comes but i don't think a little something right now to pass the time and get the scene going again would hurt at all.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Aug 10 2004, 09:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Aug 10 2004, 09:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Buggy+Aug 10 2004, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Buggy @ Aug 10 2004, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now my clan can't be bothered anymore, because most have gotten bored of the game itself due to lack of updates and variety. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Give that man a cookie. Leaving a game in an unbalanced state with 1 good strategy for each side (DC/Fade and PGs) for 6 months isn't the best idea if you want to keep the clanning community alive. LETS GO RELEASE A PATCH ALREADY ANYTHING PLEASE? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> LOL.. we have a winner.
<!--QuoteBegin-jumpingjoda+Aug 10 2004, 08:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jumpingjoda @ Aug 10 2004, 08:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I founded the clan #twb few weeks ago, and i am having <b>BIG</b> problems recruiting new members. I am an active player and manny players know me well, but somehow they are not going to join anny clan. Some players don't take me serious, it is awfull.
I think that tehre are enough clans (at least in germany) but the problems are the players who won't join them. Hell, here in ger the best clans are fighting for anny new newb to join them, they offer for every member webspace, BNC and alot more for free, but no one will join them.
The pub community has allready some decent teamplay and they think they don't need a clan for a good game, a clan allso means responsibillity but they forget that clan == more fun.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> tbh, many clanner act very arrogant against the public players. This way many public players get deterred joining any clan.
Running a famous natural selection server in german 50% of perm bans are by clanners refusing teamplay (res whoring) and abusive language. Hell yea thats pretty nice advertising joining a clan ... probably not.
Thats the reason i'm not clanned and i'm used to competive play at my old DoD and my old DF2 clan. I have currently satisfyingly teamplay on my server so why join a clan ?
Also it looks like the most skilled clanners are only in few clans. Thats interesting and competive as the current Formula One dominated by Ferarri.
"A close loss is worth more than an easy win" <- oldschool
<!--QuoteBegin-Scylla+Aug 10 2004, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scylla @ Aug 10 2004, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> tbh, many clanner act very arrogant against the public players. This way many public players get deterred joining any clan.
Running a famous natural selection server in german 50% of perm bans are by clanners refusing teamplay (res whoring) and abusive language. Hell yea thats pretty nice advertising joining a clan ... probably not.
Thats the reason i'm not clanned and i'm used to competive play at my old DoD and my old DF2 clan. I have currently satisfyingly teamplay on my server so why join a clan ?
Also it looks like the most skilled clanners are only in few clans. Thats interesting and competive as the current Formula One dominated by Ferarri.
"A close loss is worth more than an easy win" <- oldschool
"play to win by all means" <- nowaday <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes you are righ, manny claners are ***holes but most are nice.
So, why join a clan? Well you don't have to join a clan, make one that satisfys your needs and get members which like your concept, you will have alot of fun with a team that really knows what to do and not just **** around.
It is sad too that, like you said, most skilled players are allready in top clans. So what? you don't need über skilled members, you don't have to fight the "top 10 clans". There are alot of clans which fit your skill.
I've seen a bit of Reluctancy when trying to recruit people aswell (sp?) However, i'm not sure what kinda skill you're recruiting, but 3 members 3 weeks is pretty poor. Might just be germany, but here in UK you could find a good member, on one of your regular servers without to much diffuculty.
The european community is far too fragmented at the moment, there isnt anywhere people talk. Occasionally a discussion emerges in #naturalselection qnet. Anywhere else it's native language short chit chat. Nothing get's a chance to be organised.
No-one attempts to mix with different sub-communities. And thats mostly the problem, a lot of pcw's are going on, but they're just oragnised privately between the clans that want to play on set nights. This, unfortunately, leaves the more serious clans that would like to pcw once a night or more, without any pcw requests in #ns.search
If you clans like TWP and =x= etc could use #ns.search .. it will at least let the clans become more active again.
#ns.search used to be fairly active, now its just full of people.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However, i'm not sure what kinda skill you're recruiting, but 3 members 3 weeks is pretty poor.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well i try to convince every nice player i find, i don't care if they are best players on earth. If they are bad players, but nice individuals and if they have potential to learn it, i will pick them as well. But such players allso seem to have no interest in a clan. I can understand them, they are new and don't know the game, what if they don't like it after a week, so why join a clan.
<!--QuoteBegin-jumpingjoda+Aug 10 2004, 01:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jumpingjoda @ Aug 10 2004, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However, i'm not sure what kinda skill you're recruiting, but 3 members 3 weeks is pretty poor.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well i try to convince every nice player i find, i don't care if they are best players on earth. If they are bad players, but nice individuals and if they have potential to learn it, i will pick them as well. But such players allso seem to have no interest in a clan. I can understand them, they are new and don't know the game, what if they don't like it after a week, so why join a clan. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You tryed looking on ns gather for members?
<!--QuoteBegin-jumpingjoda+Aug 10 2004, 10:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jumpingjoda @ Aug 10 2004, 10:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So, why join a clan? Well you don't have to join a clan, make one that satisfys your needs and get members which like your concept, you will have alot of fun with a team that really knows what to do and not just **** around.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont have the time to found and lead a clan. To lead a clan that will have a future you have to invest pretty much time to keep the clan going and you mates motivated. I'm pretty proud that my first clan - in which i had a major role as 3rd member in organisation - is still alive and a very strong community. There are not many clans out there still alive founded in the year 1999.
We also driven the concept of getting polite members with adequete skill and fourmed our teamplay by training. It looks for me like the NS clan scene dont like the idea of recruiting and train their new members to higer skills. In the DF2 clan scene it was usual.
It looks like your clan is driven by this intent and i wish you the best for your clan.
Many of the current hig skilled clans will die in the next years. My old DF2-Clan - Thunderhawk Elite - will survive ( pretty stupid name eh <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You tryed looking on ns gather for members?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->or even #ns.search<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I am recruitung only ger/aut/swiss players. I should try some other region specific NS channels.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It looks like your clan is driven by this intent and i wish you the best for your clan.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks, i really think that claners should help the new players. Show them how they can be usefull for the team and so on.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mr.Ben+Aug 10 2004, 09:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr.Ben @ Aug 10 2004, 09:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://nsi.momentofimpact.us/' target='_blank'>http://nsi.momentofimpact.us/</a> - it's an american league being ran right now. Us euros should organise one of our own, give the scene something to do and a reason to be active. People are saying there are leagues coming soon, end of the month or when the patch comes but i don't think a little something right now to pass the time and get the scene going again would hurt at all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Lots of things have been tried recently like this and all flopped due to lack of clans being active atm. also they take a lot of organisation and time to prepare, chances are the patch will be out b4 u finish preparing a league/cup.
The scene wont be "alive" until the patch comes out, thats blatently freaking obvouse.. its keeping it alive ONCE the patch comes out, thats what u want to focus on.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> p.s. at the moment the only regular "pcw" we play is a training on sunday against the same clan every week
real pcw are very seldom :/ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go in #ns.search WHENEVER you have 6, and play a pcw. Get that firmly planted in your head and it wont be a problem. Of course, if you have trouble getting 6...
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Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing the Euro community, and right now the Euro pub community blows huge colossal chunks out of its collective bottom. THAT is why people are going elsewhere. I'm sorry if you don't like my choice of server, but thats really not my problem.
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i've met plenty of people who can go 50-10, but can barely hold their own in a pug or scrim.
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Who boasts about K:D in NS? Its a team game, not "who can win with the best score". If it was a score game I'd be on some pos Euro server enjoying low pings and rampaging through marines like they were wheat. It's a team game, so I'm going where the teamwork is.
As you may or may not know, if the pub community blows, people won't hang around for the competitive play. I'm not huge into clanning, but I know other people are, and I can be certain that if the Euro pub play is DIRE then noone is going to be keen on sticking around.
The US servers might not be fantastic either but they've got several decent servers, and that tops what I've seen on the local level.
I'm not advertising a server, and I'm not sticking the boot into clans Camo, so why do you jump entirely off topic and bring both up? You know if you can't counter my points then drop it, flying off topic is just sad.
ok, just real quick, can someone explain to me what exactly a gather is? is it like a pick up game in the states, or are we talking scrims (PCWs) here? how many active clans are there remaining in the euro community? like i've said, it'd take only a team of 4-5 people to organize a tournament or something, and i'll be damned if no one over there is capable of this. it's a matter of who's willing to do something about it, rather then simply posting on a forum about it.
why do i care? the euro-community is as much a part of the ns community as the american clan community, and since we're both going through pretty much the same thing, it only makes sense to try to help out or suggest ideas. if someone does begin organizing something to the like, best of luck to you.
there are really some problems with clans and pcw. euro ns looks like a little familly in the clan point but there are more than 10000 players.
i dont know why, but the ns players have a big uninterest to join in a clan, create a clan or make pcws.
I try somethink. Make Sponsoring actions for players who diside creating a clan or is a new clan. VoiceServer, Webspace, trainingsserver, and and and. But no. Nobody wants. Thats for clans
To the Point League.
For some weeks, we had a german combat cup. After the 3rd match we must stop the league. Many Players leave, was uninterested at playing. Wasnt online at match meetings,... And one big Problem was, that we did a bad pointssystem, that wasnt confirmed for leavers, so we did also misstakes and stop the league.
After that we learn about our misstakes and work to make a new League Or Cup. I understand also that creating a league or a cup only for his land isnt a big benefit for ns. So on this Friday we will Release our new plan about a "European Combat Cup". I hope it will a really big Cup with fun & nice wars. It is a Combat Cup. I know it isnt intersting for clans, e.t.c. but we will start with this step and i dont want to discus about co is good or bad. Our next Step will be a European NS Cup for Clans. But at moment is our site mostly in german. Next Year January, perhaps this december, we release a new site system in multilanguage and new Design. Than we can also make a NS Cup for all Clans.
One Problem of these all and why it take till 4 or 5 months is that nobody wants to help. I did a annoucement that we searching for league admins. There are so many Players at Quakenet but there was only 2 Persons who dicede to help. To One i ask myself because i talk sometimes with him, and another play ns new since some months long and read or news on any newsbot. That is really crazy.
I also post here in the league & cups portal. But no answer.
There are so many people who are saying, ää there are no cups, no fun, not only here in forum, you can hear it everywhere, but there is no one who say, hey there is some interesting parts for me, i want allways a league (cup), lets help a little and i get my fun faster & better. But the best of most players do this: äää bad league, bad admins,... flaming a³ and do the best to currupt projects that is done for his fun.
sorry if i be alittle emotionaly. i hope i could tell some think that we try to do somethink for ns, maybee we got 3 o´cloak am and my english is not the best.
if here is anyone intersted in this points and follow also my wish to make ns better, populary and more actions, he can contact me
info@ns-game.de
www.ns-game.de
Quakenet: #ns-game.de
ok, just real quick, can someone explain to me what exactly a gather is? is it like a pick up game in the states, or are we talking scrims (PCWs) here? how many active clans are there remaining in the euro community? like i've said, it'd take only a team of 4-5 people to organize a tournament or something, and i'll be damned if no one over there is capable of this. it's a matter of who's willing to do something about it, rather then simply posting on a forum about it.
why do i care? the euro-community is as much a part of the ns community as the american clan community, and since we're both going through pretty much the same thing, it only makes sense to try to help out or suggest ideas. if someone does begin organizing something to the like, best of luck to you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gather = PUG, with some minor differences (in how they are organized, mainly).
There are probably somewhere around 10 active clans in europe (when I say
active I mean "plays at least 3+ matches every week"), around 20 semi-active
and another 20-30 that are mostly inactive.
The biggest problem is the fact that most of these teams have fairly tight rosters
(usually no more than 6-8 active players at a time), and therefore fall apart
whenever some of them decide to move on to other things, or just take a break.
On top of this, there's the language problem, which is severely hampering border-
to-border interaction, even thoughmost europeans can make themselves
understood in english.
A side note to be mentioned is also the fact that most, if not all, of the "old and
famous" european clans are now dead, and the community is still hurting bad from
that loss.
And as for the organizing of tournaments part: We've had plenty of attempts, but
the participants (the clans) usually find some way to sabotage them by either 1.
Being arrogant bastards, 2. Going inactive, or 3. Forfeiting matches they know
they'll lose (there are probably more ways...).
On the positive side of things: It seems like the european community has gotten
more active the last few weeks, with more and more clans playing eachother
every day. Let's hope the trend continues.
As for the community problem itself, I think it's because there are not enough pubbers who can make the step to clanscene, and when they do, they find out the clanscene is complete bull, laugh, and go back to pubbing or just not play NS anymore. Just go on an average euro pub server, press TAB, and decide which people could possibly have the skill and knowledge to have fun playing against Ariadne, some MtMe mix, or a zaiko/Fana team-sweden kind of mix.
Exactly! There are none. There's been hardly no influx of clan players since 3.0 at least.
It's been the same names since 1.04. That cannot be good for the community.
And the attitude a lot of clanners seem to have is pretty poor as well.
Yeah, let's all go aliens and screw over the newbies, that'll teach them<i>!!</i>
I think that tehre are enough clans (at least in germany) but the problems are the players who won't join them. Hell, here in ger the best clans are fighting for anny new newb to join them, they offer for every member webspace, BNC and alot more for free, but no one will join them.
The pub community has allready some decent teamplay and they think they don't need a clan for a good game, a clan allso means responsibillity but they forget that clan == more fun.
So here i am, recruted whole 3 members in 3 weeks, but i won't give up.
so 3 people in 3 weeks is pretty good in my book <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Give that man a cookie. Leaving a game in an unbalanced state with 1 good strategy for each side (DC/Fade and PGs) for 6 months isn't the best idea if you want to keep the clanning community alive. LETS GO RELEASE A PATCH ALREADY ANYTHING PLEASE?
Give that man a cookie. Leaving a game in an unbalanced state with 1 good strategy for each side (DC/Fade and PGs) for 6 months isn't the best idea if you want to keep the clanning community alive. LETS GO RELEASE A PATCH ALREADY ANYTHING PLEASE? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL.. we have a winner.
I think that tehre are enough clans (at least in germany) but the problems are the players who won't join them. Hell, here in ger the best clans are fighting for anny new newb to join them, they offer for every member webspace, BNC and alot more for free, but no one will join them.
The pub community has allready some decent teamplay and they think they don't need a clan for a good game, a clan allso means responsibillity but they forget that clan == more fun.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
tbh, many clanner act very arrogant against the public players. This way many public players get deterred joining any clan.
Running a famous natural selection server in german 50% of perm bans are by clanners refusing teamplay (res whoring) and abusive language. Hell yea thats pretty nice advertising joining a clan ... probably not.
Thats the reason i'm not clanned and i'm used to competive play at my old DoD and my old DF2 clan. I have currently satisfyingly teamplay on my server so why join a clan ?
Also it looks like the most skilled clanners are only in few clans. Thats interesting and competive as the current Formula One dominated by Ferarri.
"A close loss is worth more than an easy win" <- oldschool
"play to win by all means" <- nowaday
Running a famous natural selection server in german 50% of perm bans are by clanners refusing teamplay (res whoring) and abusive language. Hell yea thats pretty nice advertising joining a clan ... probably not.
Thats the reason i'm not clanned and i'm used to competive play at my old DoD and my old DF2 clan. I have currently satisfyingly teamplay on my server so why join a clan ?
Also it looks like the most skilled clanners are only in few clans. Thats interesting and competive as the current Formula One dominated by Ferarri.
"A close loss is worth more than an easy win" <- oldschool
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Yes you are righ, manny claners are ***holes but most are nice.
So, why join a clan? Well you don't have to join a clan, make one that satisfys your needs and get members which like your concept, you will have alot of fun with a team that really knows what to do and not just **** around.
It is sad too that, like you said, most skilled players are allready in top clans. So what? you don't need über skilled members, you don't have to fight the "top 10 clans". There are alot of clans which fit your skill.
However, i'm not sure what kinda skill you're recruiting, but 3 members 3 weeks is pretty poor. Might just be germany, but here in UK you could find a good member, on one of your regular servers without to much diffuculty.
No-one attempts to mix with different sub-communities. And thats mostly the problem, a lot of pcw's are going on, but they're just oragnised privately between the clans that want to play on set nights. This, unfortunately, leaves the more serious clans that would like to pcw once a night or more, without any pcw requests in #ns.search
If you clans like TWP and =x= etc could use #ns.search .. it will at least let the clans become more active again.
#ns.search used to be fairly active, now its just full of people.
Well i try to convince every nice player i find, i don't care if they are best players on earth. If they are bad players, but nice individuals and if they have potential to learn it, i will pick them as well. But such players allso seem to have no interest in a clan. I can understand them, they are new and don't know the game, what if they don't like it after a week, so why join a clan.
Well i try to convince every nice player i find, i don't care if they are best players on earth. If they are bad players, but nice individuals and if they have potential to learn it, i will pick them as well. But such players allso seem to have no interest in a clan. I can understand them, they are new and don't know the game, what if they don't like it after a week, so why join a clan. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You tryed looking on ns gather for members?
"WeLCoMe² #ns.search~ here you can search for < *Members *Clans *PCW *CBwar* "
I dont have the time to found and lead a clan. To lead a clan that will have a future you have to invest pretty much time to keep the clan going and you mates motivated. I'm pretty proud that my first clan - in which i had a major role as 3rd member in organisation - is still alive and a very strong community. There are not many clans out there still alive founded in the year 1999.
We also driven the concept of getting polite members with adequete skill and fourmed our teamplay by training. It looks for me like the NS clan scene dont like the idea of recruiting and train their new members to higer skills. In the DF2 clan scene it was usual.
It looks like your clan is driven by this intent and i wish you the best for your clan.
Many of the current hig skilled clans will die in the next years. My old DF2-Clan - Thunderhawk Elite - will survive ( pretty stupid name eh <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
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I am recruitung only ger/aut/swiss players. I should try some other region specific NS channels.
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Thanks, i really think that claners should help the new players. Show them how they can be usefull for the team and so on.
Lots of things have been tried recently like this and all flopped due to lack of clans being active atm. also they take a lot of organisation and time to prepare, chances are the patch will be out b4 u finish preparing a league/cup.
The scene wont be "alive" until the patch comes out, thats blatently freaking obvouse.. its keeping it alive ONCE the patch comes out, thats what u want to focus on.