<!--QuoteBegin-antifreeze+Aug 24 2004, 04:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (antifreeze @ Aug 24 2004, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why would you want a mobile CPU in a desktop?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They are currently the only Athlon XP multiplier unlocked processors, and they run at a lower voltage, so you have more headroom for cranking up the voltage and getting a really nice overclock. I have my mobile 2600+ running almost 2.6ghz. I am running ~400 mhz faster than a 3200+ and I paid $100 less. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Thank you Sandrock for explain as I was to lasy to type heheh <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Those two processors seem to be about the same performance-wise so I'd go with the cheaper AMD chip. And someone mentioned the socket 754 going out of style: I got an $85 socket 754 motherboard and I won't be that distraught if I have to chuck it the next time I upgrade my processor.
<!--QuoteBegin-RandomEngy+Aug 24 2004, 11:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RandomEngy @ Aug 24 2004, 11:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Those two processors seem to be about the same performance-wise so I'd go with the cheaper AMD chip. And someone mentioned the socket 754 going out of style: I got an $85 socket 754 motherboard and I won't be that distraught if I have to chuck it the next time I upgrade my processor. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ya, but were talking about buying at the top of the line level here. If your gonna sink cash into a computer like that, you want it to last as long as possible on as little cash as possible. To guarentee that the mobo won't need to be replaced for a while, you should be looking for PCIe, socket 939/940 boards.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Sandrock+Aug 25 2004, 04:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sandrock @ Aug 25 2004, 04:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-antifreeze+Aug 24 2004, 04:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (antifreeze @ Aug 24 2004, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why would you want a mobile CPU in a desktop?? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They are currently the only Athlon XP multiplier unlocked processors, and they run at a lower voltage, so you have more headroom for cranking up the voltage and getting a really nice overclock. I have my mobile 2600+ running almost 2.6ghz. I am running ~400 mhz faster than a 3200+ and I paid $100 less. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> See thats the response i wanted. What's the lifespan on an overclocked mobile processor, alot shorter?
just my opinion but 64 bit is wasted... cos by the time the code does come out to support it.. i.e make it rawk... the 2.2 64 bit chips will be outdated by then.... there seems like no point just yet anyway
<!--QuoteBegin-Moquiao+Aug 25 2004, 06:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moquiao @ Aug 25 2004, 06:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> just my opinion but 64 bit is wasted... cos by the time the code does come out to support it.. i.e make it rawk... the 2.2 64 bit chips will be outdated by then.... there seems like no point just yet anyway <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You probably will still want a mobo capable of supporting the chips when that time comes though... Pretty much what I've been trying to say the whole time is that switching up your CPU is a relitively painless process if you have a good mobo with the right socket size.
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Gundam, if you're 'too lazy to type', then please don't post in a thread. Same with 'too lazy to read', which a few people have made apparent.
Overclocking any part shortens its lifespan dramatically. Mobile parts especially, even given their initial lower voltage draw. Sure, if you're going for a shoestring machine that you don't need to be dependable, and can afford to replace when it fries itself, fine. Also, remember that MHz rate does not neccessarily equate to more powerful. Intel has shown us that much, given that a 2.2GHz Ath64 can stomp the crap out of a P4 OCd to 4GHz.
Personally, if I had the cash to spend, I'd end up with top of the line parts, rather than slapdashing. At which point overclocks will only extend that lead further.
Also, PCIeX is *not* backward-compatible with AGP. Different pin-layouts and connector arrangement. It is backward compatible with PCI, though.
Personally, I'd hang on for the next-gen video cards to come out. The X800 and 6800 are 'stepping stone' cards. They'll whomp all over for now, delivering killer performance on current applications. But by the time new applications are released which feature all of their functionality, they'll end up in the midrange, and there will be a new king of the hill. Of course, looking at it from the other side, coders will likely code toward the mass market.. making sure people too cheap to upgrade can still buy and use their software. At which point you could expect a lifecycle of between three and seven years. Possibly less though, three to five perhaps, given the accelleration of Moore's Law.
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Aug 25 2004, 11:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Aug 25 2004, 11:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Overclocking any part shortens its lifespan dramatically. Mobile parts especially, even given their initial lower voltage draw. Sure, if you're going for a shoestring machine that you don't need to be dependable, and can afford to replace when it fries itself, fine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes overclocking does shorten the lifespan of your components. It causes additional stress to be put onto the parts that it might not have been designed to handle. However, when someone says the lifespan has been shortened, it still lasts a long time. A normal processor may survive ~10 years, an overclocked one may only last 5 years or so. I dont mind, as I probably will upgrade in 3 years max. As long as you know what you are doing, do some research beforehand, and have proper cooling, overclocking poses little to no danger to your system. The danger is when someone with no overclocking knowledge jumps right in and then says WTH when their CPU fries.
Also, I'd wouldn't call overclocked systems "shoestring machines that you don't need to be dependable". The point of overclocking is to get your machine running as fast as possible yet still completely stable. Any farther than that point is stupid. I agree, whats the point of having a super-fast system if it crashes all the time and you can't do anything with it. My system is FAST and STABLE. The perfect combo.
940 Pin CPU's are not going to be very upgradable, since they are older generation home/server. Even the top of the line FX CPU's have been moved over to 939 pin, which will provide you with 2 years of upgradablity, a good investment in my opinion.
Don't even bother getting intel unless you plan on doing lots of video rendering (not 3d gaming, I mean actually rendering videos). The Intel P4 EE in benchmarks was doing poorer in comparison to the 3700 + and 3800 +, and running about even with a 3400 +. That's bad.
<!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Aug 25 2004, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 25 2004, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, my guess is that if you're getting a sock-754 system, you won't be upgrading for a coupla years at least anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If your getting a sock-745 it doesn't really matter when your upgrading, your gonna have to pull out the mobo whenever you do. Socket 939 chips will be top of the line for the next 2 years, but even after that they will probably be a serious force to be reconed with for a good while. Buying hardware to last as long as possible is always a good idea.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Aug 25 2004, 04:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Aug 25 2004, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Aug 25 2004, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 25 2004, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, my guess is that if you're getting a sock-754 system, you won't be upgrading for a coupla years at least anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If your getting a sock-745 it doesn't really matter when your upgrading, your gonna have to pull out the mobo whenever you do. Socket 939 chips will be top of the line for the next 2 years, but even after that they will probably be a serious force to be reconed with for a good while. Buying hardware to last as long as possible is always a good idea. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> disagree. Sock-754's will last a long time, and they're only 1 step down from top of the line. Certainly not worth an extra 700$ to buy something that's going to future-proof your purchase for maybe an extra year.
<!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Aug 25 2004, 06:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 25 2004, 06:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Aug 25 2004, 04:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Aug 25 2004, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Wheeee+Aug 25 2004, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wheeee @ Aug 25 2004, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, my guess is that if you're getting a sock-754 system, you won't be upgrading for a coupla years at least anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If your getting a sock-745 it doesn't really matter when your upgrading, your gonna have to pull out the mobo whenever you do. Socket 939 chips will be top of the line for the next 2 years, but even after that they will probably be a serious force to be reconed with for a good while. Buying hardware to last as long as possible is always a good idea. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> disagree. Sock-754's will last a long time, and they're only 1 step down from top of the line. Certainly not worth an extra 700$ to buy something that's going to future-proof your purchase for maybe an extra year. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Where the hell are you getting your figures? I can buy a 2.2Ghz socket 939 Athy 64 for 500$ canadian at my local comp shop. If you can find someone who is gonna give me 200 bucks to take a 2.2Ghz socket 745 Athy 64 off thier hands for them, pease introduce me.
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They are currently the only Athlon XP multiplier unlocked processors, and they run at a lower voltage, so you have more headroom for cranking up the voltage and getting a really nice overclock. I have my mobile 2600+ running almost 2.6ghz. I am running ~400 mhz faster than a 3200+ and I paid $100 less. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ya, but were talking about buying at the top of the line level here. If your gonna sink cash into a computer like that, you want it to last as long as possible on as little cash as possible. To guarentee that the mobo won't need to be replaced for a while, you should be looking for PCIe, socket 939/940 boards.
They are currently the only Athlon XP multiplier unlocked processors, and they run at a lower voltage, so you have more headroom for cranking up the voltage and getting a really nice overclock. I have my mobile 2600+ running almost 2.6ghz. I am running ~400 mhz faster than a 3200+ and I paid $100 less. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
See thats the response i wanted. What's the lifespan on an overclocked mobile processor, alot shorter?
You probably will still want a mobo capable of supporting the chips when that time comes though... Pretty much what I've been trying to say the whole time is that switching up your CPU is a relitively painless process if you have a good mobo with the right socket size.
Overclocking any part shortens its lifespan dramatically. Mobile parts especially, even given their initial lower voltage draw. Sure, if you're going for a shoestring machine that you don't need to be dependable, and can afford to replace when it fries itself, fine. Also, remember that MHz rate does not neccessarily equate to more powerful. Intel has shown us that much, given that a 2.2GHz Ath64 can stomp the crap out of a P4 OCd to 4GHz.
Personally, if I had the cash to spend, I'd end up with top of the line parts, rather than slapdashing. At which point overclocks will only extend that lead further.
Also, PCIeX is *not* backward-compatible with AGP. Different pin-layouts and connector arrangement. It is backward compatible with PCI, though.
Personally, I'd hang on for the next-gen video cards to come out. The X800 and 6800 are 'stepping stone' cards. They'll whomp all over for now, delivering killer performance on current applications. But by the time new applications are released which feature all of their functionality, they'll end up in the midrange, and there will be a new king of the hill.
Of course, looking at it from the other side, coders will likely code toward the mass market.. making sure people too cheap to upgrade can still buy and use their software. At which point you could expect a lifecycle of between three and seven years.
Possibly less though, three to five perhaps, given the accelleration of Moore's Law.
Yes overclocking does shorten the lifespan of your components. It causes additional stress to be put onto the parts that it might not have been designed to handle. However, when someone says the lifespan has been shortened, it still lasts a long time. A normal processor may survive ~10 years, an overclocked one may only last 5 years or so. I dont mind, as I probably will upgrade in 3 years max. As long as you know what you are doing, do some research beforehand, and have proper cooling, overclocking poses little to no danger to your system. The danger is when someone with no overclocking knowledge jumps right in and then says WTH when their CPU fries.
Also, I'd wouldn't call overclocked systems "shoestring machines that you don't need to be dependable". The point of overclocking is to get your machine running as fast as possible yet still completely stable. Any farther than that point is stupid. I agree, whats the point of having a super-fast system if it crashes all the time and you can't do anything with it. My system is FAST and STABLE. The perfect combo.
Don't even bother getting intel unless you plan on doing lots of video rendering (not 3d gaming, I mean actually rendering videos). The Intel P4 EE in benchmarks was doing poorer in comparison to the 3700 + and 3800 +, and running about even with a 3400 +. That's bad.
If your getting a sock-745 it doesn't really matter when your upgrading, your gonna have to pull out the mobo whenever you do. Socket 939 chips will be top of the line for the next 2 years, but even after that they will probably be a serious force to be reconed with for a good while. Buying hardware to last as long as possible is always a good idea.
If your getting a sock-745 it doesn't really matter when your upgrading, your gonna have to pull out the mobo whenever you do. Socket 939 chips will be top of the line for the next 2 years, but even after that they will probably be a serious force to be reconed with for a good while. Buying hardware to last as long as possible is always a good idea. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
disagree. Sock-754's will last a long time, and they're only 1 step down from top of the line. Certainly not worth an extra 700$ to buy something that's going to future-proof your purchase for maybe an extra year.
If your getting a sock-745 it doesn't really matter when your upgrading, your gonna have to pull out the mobo whenever you do. Socket 939 chips will be top of the line for the next 2 years, but even after that they will probably be a serious force to be reconed with for a good while. Buying hardware to last as long as possible is always a good idea. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
disagree. Sock-754's will last a long time, and they're only 1 step down from top of the line. Certainly not worth an extra 700$ to buy something that's going to future-proof your purchase for maybe an extra year. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where the hell are you getting your figures? I can buy a 2.2Ghz socket 939 Athy 64 for 500$ canadian at my local comp shop. If you can find someone who is gonna give me 200 bucks to take a 2.2Ghz socket 745 Athy 64 off thier hands for them, pease introduce me.