An Interview

ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
<div class="IPBDescription">With a Chernobyl Engineer</div> <a href='http://www.newscientist.com/opinion/opinterview.jsp?id=ns24611' target='_blank'>Alexander Yuvchenko</a> was working in his office the night of the explosion. On his way to try and minimise the damage caused he saw <b>air glowing as it was ionised by the radiation from the reactor.</b>

Mr. Yuvchenko is one of the luckiest men I know...

--Scythe--

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  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    Wow...just wow. I can't think of anything else to say.
  • BaconTheoryBaconTheory Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20615Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Scythe+Aug 24 2004, 07:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scythe @ Aug 24 2004, 07:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>air glowing as it was ionised by the radiation from the reactor.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Holy ****. That must have been some damn strong radiation. Did he sustain any lasting problems from that like cancer or something?
  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
    holy s**t! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    He, and others like him, should be immortalized in some sort of statue or something. Of course, STALKER comes to mind instantly (being based on the same events, and a little "fast forwarding" in the time-line) and it'd be a excellent learning peice on what Radiation can do...
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    Omg....that was an amazing read. I can't believe he's alive through all of that and that the door/wall he stood behind saved his life. *shocked*

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Holy ****. That must have been some damn strong radiation. Did he sustain any lasting problems from that like cancer or something? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    He says that he only get ulcers now...
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    i learned plenty about radiation from fallout!! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Aug 24 2004, 05:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Aug 24 2004, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i learned plenty about radiation from fallout!! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Don't drink the 'clean' water!
  • Har_Har_the_PirateHar_Har_the_Pirate Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19388Members, Constellation
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    Yikes... and I thought poor Bobbrick Shepsson had it bad, with all walls exploding and everything.

    If it wasn't for the slight problem of the lethal radiation, that glowing air would be pretty neat. I still can't believe that this guy survived, when enough radioactive fallout to cover eastern Europe was released.
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    edited August 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Dorian Gray+Aug 24 2004, 06:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dorian Gray @ Aug 24 2004, 06:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I still can't believe that this guy survived, when enough radioactive fallout to cover eastern Europe was released. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Apparently he eats his Wheaties.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Scythe+Aug 24 2004, 07:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scythe @ Aug 24 2004, 07:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>air glowing as it was ionised by the radiation from the reactor.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    holy hell on a bloody pogo stick, that can not be a good sign
  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Black Mage+Aug 24 2004, 08:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Black Mage @ Aug 24 2004, 08:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Scythe+Aug 24 2004, 07:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scythe @ Aug 24 2004, 07:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>air glowing as it was ionised by the radiation from the reactor.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    holy hell on a bloody pogo stick, that can not be a good sign <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's means "run away."
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    edited August 2004
    What exactly is this Cheronobyl incident? Can someone fill me in on it?
  • Ph0enixPh0enix Join Date: 2002-10-08 Member: 1462Members, Constellation
    You'll find more then we can possibly tell you with a google search.

    Short layman version : There was an accident at the Cheronybl nuclear power station in 1986.

    It wasn't a full thero-nuclear meltdown or anything, I believe the reaction got out of control, when the control rods were re-introduced they simply melted and there was an explosion.
  • Crono5Crono5 Join Date: 2003-07-22 Member: 18357Members
    Nuclear plant go boom :X
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    Quite interesting. And I sincerely hope that the questions were better phrased when they were given before translation, because otherwise the interviewer should be fired. you're not supposed to ask questions that way, especially not to somebody who went through what he went through...
  • ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    There's been an awful lot of information published on the 'net about it but here's a short summary:

    Chernobyl wasn't just a power plant, it was also a research reactor. Tests and research were being performed constantly. Earlier in the day of the incident some tests were being performed that caused one of the safety locks to trip and shut down the reactor. Every time they tried the test, the reactor would shut down. To avoid this, they overrode the automatic safety switch.

    Bloody stupid thing to do.

    So they finished their test, leaving the safety overridden, and went home for the day. Later that night something happened in the reactor. I'm not sure exactly, but the reactor would've been instantly SCRAMed if the safety had been on. I think one of the coolant tanks exploded, causing extensive damage to the core and spraying radioactive water around. Now as you all know, a reactor without coolant is not a good thing. The uranium from the rods began to melt and pool in the bottom of the concrete casing around the reactor. A huge blob formed, much larger than the critical mass for continued chain reaction.

    An aside: This is known as the "China syndrome". Called this because the blob of molten fissile material would just ooze down and eat though the ground, all the way to china. Of course this wouldn't happen. It would hit the water table first and explode, sending a vast plume of radioactive debris and water over a great area.

    The engineers working at Chernobyl knew the possibility of the Syndrome and did everything they could to prevent it. The military was called in to dump water into the reactor from helicopters. Every single soldier and engineer that was in those helicopters were volunteers. Even though they knew that it would be definite suicide. It turned out that dumping in the water was futile, nothing they could do would stop the blob's sinking.

    It turned out to be sheer luck that saved most of Europe from a fairly unpleasant fate. The blob encountered an upturned-V shape of bedrock directly under the reactor. The V split the blob into two halves, each below the critical mass for continued reaction. The material began to cool due to the much-reduced reaction rate. The Russians then dumped vast amounts of concrete down the hole to seal it in. This blob remains extremely hot to this day and is known as “The Sarcophagus”.

    Not a nice tale.

    --Scythe--

    P.S. Yes, I wrote all that.
  • UnCriticalUnCritical Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 73Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--_Phoenix_-+Aug 25 2004, 03:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-_Phoenix_- @ Aug 25 2004, 03:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You'll find more then we can possibly tell you with a google search.

    Short layman version : There was an accident at the Cheronybl nuclear power station in 1986.

    It wasn't a full thero-nuclear meltdown or anything, I believe the reaction got out of control, when the control rods were re-introduced they simply melted and there was an explosion. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Pretty much that.
    The roof of the reactor blew out and sent fuel rods out with it, and of course lots of fire. Uranuim burns like a mofo, and there were workers running up onto the roof with shovels and buckets of water trying to put out the fires out and scoop the fuel rods back into the reactor. They were getting so much radiation that they ran up, shovelled/threw water and then turned round, puked and then repeated.

    Nasty stuff.
  • reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If I'd stood there for just a few minutes I would probably have died on the spot because of gamma rays and neutrons and everything else that was spewing out. But Tregub yanked me around the corner to get me out the way. He was older and more experienced.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Wow.

    Good read.
  • GundamCLGundamCL Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18786Members
    Did they have radiation suits at all???
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    Interesting read, scythe included. From his photo he seemed pretty normal despite the need for skin grafts.

    Does anyone know how many people died as a direct cause of this? Not so much the people living around the area but the workers and army troops that were involved.

    I suppose horrific is the word of choice for all this; Reminds me of K-19, a movie that I thought was quite disturbing.
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Members
    edited August 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->An aside: This is known as the "China syndrome". Called this because the blob of molten fissile material would just ooze down and eat though the ground, all the way to china. Of course this wouldn't happen. It would hit the water table first and explode, sending a vast plume of radioactive debris and water over a great area.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Wait.. a totally self-sustaining reaction? Those exist?


    Also, isn't the concrete around it cracking? I'm pretty sure there are some red-tape burdened plans to redo it.
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    edited August 2004
    The reaction couldn't last forever, as that would violate a bunch of physical laws including the second (IIRC) law of thermodynamics (the entropy one). The reaction would last a long time though. The nuclear batteries on space probes last for decades, possibly longer, for example. As Scythe said, it'd eat through the earth until it hit the water table or broke up into sub-critical masses.

    Edit: and yeah, the sarcophagus is falling apart (thats Soviet construction for you).
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