<!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Aug 25 2004, 04:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 25 2004, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kavasa+Aug 25 2004, 05:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Aug 25 2004, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And you're actually going to take $400 from your mom for pounding out a website in <b>frontpage</b> even though you don't know what you're doing?
Jesus man, just make her the crappy page you're going to make and don't take her money. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> First of all, it's a heck of a lot cheaper than paying a professional to do it, and she needs a webpage. She set the price, not me. I <i>know</i> that I don't know what I'm doing, which is why I am asking how much I need to know what I'm doing to be able to make a website. I don't want to just bang out a crappy page for the money; but that's really not my problem. As I mentioned before, she has done all the design (she does layouts for newsletters and stuff, so it's not butt ugly) and all I have to do is figure out how to either code it or get it working in Frontpage.
After hearing what everyone is saying about how easy HTML is vs. C++ or Java, I think I'll bonk around in Frontpage until I get something halfway decent, then learn some HTML and fix it. Any tips on tutorials aside from Melatonin's, which look nice after ~5 seconds of skimming? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you have the design already finished just bang it off in frontpage. To be new to HTML and expect to code a design effectively is really unrealistic. It takes a few solid trys designing pages in HTML before you really get a feel for how things will look before the page acctually renders, and you really need a sence of how tables and boarders work to get it the way you want it to look. Frontpage you should pretty much be able to imitate the layouts that your mom has already made as if you were jut remaking them in microsoft word.
Frontpage pages work fine in firefox, for all of last year I designed exclusively with frontpage and only ever used firefox as a testing platform.
One last thing, make sure to take a good look at the frontpage HTML code and how its changing when you make changes to your project. There is really alot of things you can do with HTML that frontpage can't do, so you want to pick up some of the basics manually so you have more control over your designs in the future.
learning html from frontpage is like being taught about anime by a dragon ball z fan -.-
<b>excel saga edit:</b> <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'><b>CONTROVERSIAL QUOTE!!!</b></span></span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, at least I'll know SOMETHING about anime. Er, HTML?
I think I'm just going to do everything that I can in Frontpage, then when it's done if anything needs a-doing I'll learn a bit of HTML. Everyone says it's super easy, at least. Unfortunately for the general goodness of the page, it doesn't seem that Frontpage is going to force CSS implementation or learning thereof. Sorry <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Aug 25 2004, 10:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 25 2004, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><b><u>READ MY POSTS. READ THEM! <i>THEN</i> YOU CAN REPLY!</u></span></b>
I said that the layout is ALREADY DONE. My mom has DESIGNED THE WEBSITE. She used to do layouts for NEWSLETTERS so she KNOWS WHAT SHE IS DOING. My choice now is to learn HTML or use Frontpage or just forget it altogether or some odd mixture of all 3 with cascading style sheets holding the thing together like glue.
That said, I've been boinking around in Frontpage for about an hour. It won't let me do a fricking navigation bar and the "help" is not help at all. I'll keep trying. Anything to keep from learing CSS and HTML <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, your mom designed the website.... in MS Publisher. That means you need to start over, delete that piece of crap. Believe me, it IS a piece of crap if it's made in Publisher.
We're talking web design, not "my mom made this in Publisher." This is why people hire designers to design, because if the world had it's way the web would be an ugly place where people use Publisher to make websites.
In all seriousness, Frontpage is a big piece of bloatware that nobody but a complete computer newbie should use. The only advantage it has over Dreamweaver is user-friendliness.
You could try one of the many free HTML editors out there, such as <a href='http://www.htmlbeauty.com/' target='_blank'>Max's HTML Beauty</a>. If you want to start learning HTML with a solid footing, don't use Frontpage, I say this from experience <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If you want to get the stupid thing done the way it looks in publisher, just whip it off in frontpage and get it done. If you want to learn about HTML, read a bunch of tutorials and design a bunch of practice pages in notepad, but understand, it will be a relitively long time before you can effectivly immitate your moms publisher designs.
If it was me I would just get the stupid project done and move onto the real bulk work, really learn HTML good. You can always go back and fix a crappy page when you know more, but to know everything before you acctually make the page will take you at least a month, or more if your an average person and you like to devote time to things like eating and sleeping.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes, your mom designed the website.... in MS Publisher. That means you need to start over, delete that piece of crap. Believe me, it IS a piece of crap if it's made in Publisher. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> hihi, relax plzkthx, stop jumping to conclusions when you haven't seen the design okbie.
the way I see it, you have two choices. if you really don't give a crap about the site, do it through frontpage. however, frontpage is really just bloatware, as mentioned above, and without any HTML experience, it may be difficult to do specific things with the site. if you do care, do the following:
google a html tutorial. i learned HTML when I was eleven... it really is a piece of cake. when you've got the basics, get yourself a copy of dreamweaver, it really is a great piece of software. it'll take some practice, but if you run into any big problems, just ask us here. btw, if you're new to page design, avoid CSS unless it's absolutely neccessary for the design. it'll just make your life harder. use standard <FONT> tags instead.
why don't you show us the design you've got, and maybe we can give you some pointers on exporting it to HTML.
ps do not use frontpage. you have been warned.
edit: just to be clear, the reason I advise against CSS is because for beginners, CSS is just "another" language to learn, and with its various oddities, it tends to make more problems then it helps solve. when you're familiar with how HTML works, then by all means learn CSS, it's a lifesaver.
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Jesus man, just make her the crappy page you're going to make and don't take her money. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
First of all, it's a heck of a lot cheaper than paying a professional to do it, and she needs a webpage. She set the price, not me. I <i>know</i> that I don't know what I'm doing, which is why I am asking how much I need to know what I'm doing to be able to make a website. I don't want to just bang out a crappy page for the money; but that's really not my problem. As I mentioned before, she has done all the design (she does layouts for newsletters and stuff, so it's not butt ugly) and all I have to do is figure out how to either code it or get it working in Frontpage.
After hearing what everyone is saying about how easy HTML is vs. C++ or Java, I think I'll bonk around in Frontpage until I get something halfway decent, then learn some HTML and fix it. Any tips on tutorials aside from Melatonin's, which look nice after ~5 seconds of skimming? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you have the design already finished just bang it off in frontpage. To be new to HTML and expect to code a design effectively is really unrealistic. It takes a few solid trys designing pages in HTML before you really get a feel for how things will look before the page acctually renders, and you really need a sence of how tables and boarders work to get it the way you want it to look. Frontpage you should pretty much be able to imitate the layouts that your mom has already made as if you were jut remaking them in microsoft word.
Frontpage pages work fine in firefox, for all of last year I designed exclusively with frontpage and only ever used firefox as a testing platform.
One last thing, make sure to take a good look at the frontpage HTML code and how its changing when you make changes to your project. There is really alot of things you can do with HTML that frontpage can't do, so you want to pick up some of the basics manually so you have more control over your designs in the future.
learning html from frontpage is like being taught about anime by a dragon ball z fan -.-
<b>excel saga edit:</b> <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'><b>CONTROVERSIAL QUOTE!!!</b></span></span>
learning html from frontpage is like being taught about anime by a dragon ball z fan -.-
<b>excel saga edit:</b> <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:yellow'><b>CONTROVERSIAL QUOTE!!!</b></span></span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, at least I'll know SOMETHING about anime. Er, HTML?
I think I'm just going to do everything that I can in Frontpage, then when it's done if anything needs a-doing I'll learn a bit of HTML. Everyone says it's super easy, at least. Unfortunately for the general goodness of the page, it doesn't seem that Frontpage is going to force CSS implementation or learning thereof. Sorry <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I said that the layout is ALREADY DONE. My mom has DESIGNED THE WEBSITE. She used to do layouts for NEWSLETTERS so she KNOWS WHAT SHE IS DOING. My choice now is to learn HTML or use Frontpage or just forget it altogether or some odd mixture of all 3 with cascading style sheets holding the thing together like glue.
That said, I've been boinking around in Frontpage for about an hour. It won't let me do a fricking navigation bar and the "help" is not help at all. I'll keep trying. Anything to keep from learing CSS and HTML <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, your mom designed the website.... in MS Publisher. That means you need to start over, delete that piece of crap. Believe me, it IS a piece of crap if it's made in Publisher.
We're talking web design, not "my mom made this in Publisher." This is why people hire designers to design, because if the world had it's way the web would be an ugly place where people use Publisher to make websites.
What's next, MS Word for html?
You could try one of the many free HTML editors out there, such as <a href='http://www.htmlbeauty.com/' target='_blank'>Max's HTML Beauty</a>. If you want to start learning HTML with a solid footing, don't use Frontpage, I say this from experience <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If it was me I would just get the stupid project done and move onto the real bulk work, really learn HTML good. You can always go back and fix a crappy page when you know more, but to know everything before you acctually make the page will take you at least a month, or more if your an average person and you like to devote time to things like eating and sleeping.
scan the design your mum made, then we can see what your working with.
I bet it could be done reeeeeeeaaally fast with CSS
If so, make it in Photoshop and slice it, then edit in what you need through editing the html that Imageready makes.
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hihi, relax plzkthx, stop jumping to conclusions when you haven't seen the design okbie.
the way I see it, you have two choices. if you really don't give a crap about the site, do it through frontpage. however, frontpage is really just bloatware, as mentioned above, and without any HTML experience, it may be difficult to do specific things with the site. if you do care, do the following:
google a html tutorial. i learned HTML when I was eleven... it really is a piece of cake. when you've got the basics, get yourself a copy of dreamweaver, it really is a great piece of software. it'll take some practice, but if you run into any big problems, just ask us here. btw, if you're new to page design, avoid CSS unless it's absolutely neccessary for the design. it'll just make your life harder. use standard <FONT> tags instead.
why don't you show us the design you've got, and maybe we can give you some pointers on exporting it to HTML.
ps do not use frontpage. you have been warned.
edit: just to be clear, the reason I advise against CSS is because for beginners, CSS is just "another" language to learn, and with its various oddities, it tends to make more problems then it helps solve. when you're familiar with how HTML works, then by all means learn CSS, it's a lifesaver.