Y'know... I really try to understand things like mindlessly hating things because they come from x place but I really really can't. As much as I'm usually into trying to see both sides of an arguement that particular one's always escaped me.
I could make general sweeping statements saying all movies coming from america are total crud and I'd have plenty of fine examples to back up that silly statement but it's not any further true than in any other country. I could go so far to say that most american films involve very little brain activity in the audience to be enjoyed and have even <b>more</b> titles to show it with but once again it wouldn't be true really. Sometimes 'brain off' movies are fun. Sometimes films that actually involve using grey matter come out from the US of A (contact was a fave of mine =3 ). You can't make generalisations without being wrong somewhere.
If you write off things with innane generalisations like that every time the only things you're really doing are:
1) Make everyone think you're a narrow-minded fool. 2) Cheating yourself out of seeing things you might enjoy.
I don't care where something's from as long as it's cool. If it's not then it's still crud no matter if it was made by someone in the west or east. Crud is beautifully universal like that XD
As for Hero it's on my 'to watch' list along with Chronicles of Riddick, Shrek 2 (still not seen it!), Dodgeball, The Village (don't care what the reviews say, I want to see it ), etc <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't care if you like a movie or not, but I care when you make a sweeping generelization over an entire countries filmmaking ability because of a few bad examples. People seem to treat Foreign film as a genre instead of, well, as Gemmy would put, a communication medium or whatever.
<!--QuoteBegin-NolSinkler+Aug 27 2004, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NolSinkler @ Aug 27 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm against all chinese/japanese movies. Why?
Chinese: can't stand how they look, and can't stand how they change the voices.
Japanese: It's from the same place that anime comes from, you know its gonna suck ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> In stereo where available
The word sucks is probably too hard. I'll say it's satisfactory. Get rid of the fancy stuffs and the movie is just a rehash of rehash. Wirefu, CG, and matrix ripoff is getting way out of hand. It's sad that Hong Kong is getting drawn into these fads.
Chinese: can't stand how they look, and can't stand how they change the voices.
Japanese: It's from the same place that anime comes from, you know its gonna suck ****. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> u r mean! do not insult my brothers! I dont likie rascists! ARRRR <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> chinese taste funny
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Aug 27 2004, 02:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Aug 27 2004, 02:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tofumaster+Aug 27 2004, 02:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tofumaster @ Aug 27 2004, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a chinese movie, and it it's been out all over asia for like two years.
But yeah, it's kickass. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A chineese movie made by Quentin Tarantino?
He's white you know... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Please read the poster. It says "Quintin Tarantino Presents"
AKA He had nothing to do with the production/filming/directing of this film. In fact, the film was finished and released in China 2 years ago. The only thing Tarantino is doing is bringing the film to North America.
That, and its a selling point. Put Tarantino's name on it, and people will go to see it mearly for that.
Otherwise, I havn't seen the movie yet, but I'd like to. It looks interesting.
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<!--QuoteBegin-kavasa+Aug 27 2004, 09:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Aug 27 2004, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you didn't figure out KP was a parody though, you are an idiot of the first order, a drooling subnormal, a genetic defect: in short, a stumbly-wumbly. Wipe the drool from your chin, it's disgusting.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That... That was so awesome it made me forget my present troubles. A stumbly wumbly. <i>A stumbly wumbly</i>. My.... My God man.
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<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Aug 28 2004, 07:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Aug 28 2004, 07:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kavasa+Aug 27 2004, 09:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kavasa @ Aug 27 2004, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you didn't figure out KP was a parody though, you are an idiot of the first order, a drooling subnormal, a genetic defect: in short, a stumbly-wumbly. Wipe the drool from your chin, it's disgusting.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That... That was so awesome it made me forget my present troubles. A stumbly wumbly. <i>A stumbly wumbly</i>. My.... My God man. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ahah, ahahahah!! XD
<!--QuoteBegin-Transmission+Aug 28 2004, 12:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Transmission @ Aug 28 2004, 12:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-zooby+Aug 27 2004, 11:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (zooby @ Aug 27 2004, 11:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Testament+Aug 27 2004, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Testament @ Aug 27 2004, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nol and Zooby make me cry for humanity. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why? I watched it in its original Chinese, and I thought it was horrible. My parents also thought it was horrible.
Having watched it the way it was intended to be watched, I have a more credible opinion than you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe Testament is referring to both yours and Nol's ability to make sweeping, uninformed generalizations. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uniformed? I AM Chinese, and I've watched more chinese films and shows that any of you here. That would make me more informed. See, in China, films and shows make money based on how long they are. (So a director will stretch a 30 min plotline into 1-1.5 hrs just for the $$$.) Please tell me how an entire film culture based on that mentality that could possibly be any good.
In Lord of the Rings, there are long shots that are pointless, but are there to show off the graphics. And there's music. In most Chinese TV it's just silent, and they take in like half of the person's head in the shots.
My mother watches chinese soaps with on finger on the 'fast-forward button' because there's so much stupid crap that's redundant.
"What a lousy piece of propaganda" -- first words out of my father's mouth when the movie was over.
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Has anyone had the funny feeling that there is some element of satire in the film? Since the film glorifies the most (in)famous tyrant in the Chinese history.
The movie was going so-so with the audience until the scene where Nameless cuts the bindings for all of those logs. When all of the logs fell, this fellow at the front of the theater said really loudly "Now who gunna pick all dem' logs up?!" and everyone in that theater just laughed. After that, the movie just became a joke. All in all, it was nothing great. The highlight of the movie turned out to be a guy yelling from the front row of the theater, so that can give you a hint.
<!--QuoteBegin-twilite)blue+Aug 29 2004, 01:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (twilite)blue @ Aug 29 2004, 01:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Has anyone had the funny feeling that there is some element of satire in the film? Since the film glorifies the most (in)famous tyrant in the Chinese history. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Chinese people don't view him as a tyrant, but as the first ruler of the Chinese people.
Why wouldn't you glorify someone that is sort of on par with George Washington?
Well, Hero's now the #1 movie of the week with 17.8 million.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The movie was going so-so with the audience until the scene where Nameless cuts the bindings for all of those logs. When all of the logs fell, this fellow at the front of the theater said really loudly "Now who gunna pick all dem' logs up?!" and everyone in that theater just laughed. After that, the movie just became a joke. All in all, it was nothing great. The highlight of the movie turned out to be a guy yelling from the front row of the theater, so that can give you a hint. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They weren't logs, they were scrolls. Back before paper was invented, they cut bamboo strips and wrote on those.
<!--QuoteBegin-Geminosity+Aug 29 2004, 11:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Aug 29 2004, 11:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Now who gunna pick all dem' logs up?!" probably speaks tomes about the audience in question rather than the film ^^; <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ^^
Not every movie made in asia is good. In fact, the vast majority of movies made in asia are pure crap. But not all - including this movie, which was quite the opposite of pure crap. Zhang Yimou is not a crap Hong Kong film director, he's considered one of the top 5 best filmmakers, or something. There's a reason this one came to the US, because it's good. There's a reason that only a few from asia get ported here; because they're good. (Obviously, a good filmmaker like Quentin Tarantino can recognize this, which is presumably why he plugged for its release here.)
For those of you who said the story was pure crap, the story was actually true <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (minus the three assassins, it was a single rebel leader, but same idea).
As for the artistic content of the film, I'm not surprised that a lot of people didn't like it. I know that some people in the theater I was in didn't understand it; they probably thought the wire-fu (if that's what you call it) was a gimmick, and the battle with Sky was a ripoff of the Matrix. Whatever, it sucks for them. An analogy I often use when I'm talking about the lamentable state of art in the US is a great literary work (say, Shakespeare) and R.L. Stine's Goosebumps! [for euros, a really trashy 'horror' book series for teens]. Movies that Americans like are Goosebumps! equivalents, so it comes to me as no surprise that a lot of people couldn't deal with no explosions and sexy babes. (Although Zhang Ziyi is smokin.)
By the way, it doesn't make any difference that the US is made up of a variety of different races and religions and cultures and what-have-you. With minor variance, everybody in the US is exposed to the same media input no matter their personal characteristics. Nearly everybody in the US is advertised flashy shampoo and big explosions, and therefore nearly everybody has come to accept that as a cultural norm. Which is why so many people are unable to understand movies like Hero (or at least not able to understand the art behind it). I'll even say that I didn't understand it, because I've been so sandblasted with skin-deep Goosebumps! culture. In my defense, at least I was able to tell that there was something there that I wasn't getting. The average American moviegoer was probably going "LOL thier ninj4 cloths change3d colors olo WTH must be a broked reel LOL." So there.
btw, ninj4.
anyway, if anyone wants to discuss the symbolism/allegories/thematic elements in the movie, let's go! I was thinking that colors meant a lot to this movie (somewhat obviously). I couldn't quite keep track of what all the colors meant - maybe every character had an color attributed to them? I can think of: Red - Nameless Black/Blue - Emperor Qin Green - Broken Sword Light blue - Flying Snow and then the one that's different, White - truth
but other than that, I haven't gotten anything out of it (I only got out of the theater about an hour ago). So input!!!
<!--QuoteBegin-Windelkron+Aug 29 2004, 08:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Aug 29 2004, 08:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Light blue - Flying Snow <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was thinking Light Blue was what the King thought happened, Red is lies.
Hero's a movie that Miramax <span style='color:white'>Dodge this.</span> sat on for two years which would have been an eternity had they not faced pressure from Disney that they then mistranslated (in particular the last two words that Broken Sword writes are 'Tian Xia', meaning 'everything under heaven' or the whole world), tampered with the images, and tacked on <span style='color:white'>Dodge this.</span> QUENTIN TARANTINO's name
Who the **** does that guy think he is ? He had NOTHING to do with the movie, except maybe black it out until it's release was forced.
That said, I did enjoy the movie however Zhang Yimou the director is selling out and it should be easy to see, although hopefully not too overbearing that ***SPOILER SPOILER*** it is a propaganda tool supporting authoritarian regimes everywhere, and supporting Mao Zedong the man himself.
It is well known that Mao Zedong admired and sought to emulate the First Emperor, who wiped away old institutions and burned the books, murdered whomever he wished and exploited whomever he wanted, restructured the whole of Chinese society completely and permanently, revised the written language in addition to unifying other useful standards such as road widths, units of measure, etc.
The Qin nation and empire espoused the philosophy of government known as Legalism. The individual cannot be trusted to himself; the State must decide for him. All activities are to be overseen by the State, for instance monopolies on salt and iron were introduced. Laws must be strict and made for every conceivable thing to keep the people in line. The individual exists only to serve the State, and the duty of the State is to make war.
In these ways it is easy to see the resemblance to Naziism, Fascism, Communism. Ying Zheng, a.k.a. Shi HuangDi, i.e. the First Emperor, was the original Fascist.
The united empire lasted but a mere 15 years. However, after the fall of his tyrannical regime, came the long lasting, identity forming, powerful and legendary empire of the Han, a rival to Rome and arguably superior.
The "real" Chinese today are still known as the sons of the Han. Mao lured the people forward with fruitless dreams. As if to accept his way, to accept the short term pain, was to lead to a new Han, a reborn empire.
I hope so
<span style='color:white'>[edit]</span><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There are 6 kingdoms in China <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> At the time the last steamroll begins, 7, counting Qin.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Instantly you are drawn into the character 'Nameless' played by Jet Li. Out of all of the action movies I have seen him in, I would say this would be his break through performance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't know if his fans would agree - I've seen many of his although I am not hardcore. I would say he has "breakthrough"ed long ago. This is not an American movie; Jet Li is not an American actor.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->having the same director contributes to it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What same director are you talking about ? Ang Lee, who went to U Illinois Urbana Champaign for his undergrad, directed Crouching Tiger, a movie made for American tastes. Zhang Yimou, a famous Chinese director, directed Hero. It doesn't matter if you don't know him, most Americans don't know ****, no offense (or is there ? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) Zhang Yimou IS selling out; that accounts for the authoritarian message as well as the vague resemblance to Crouching Tiger.
P.S. Quentin Tarantino that ****, had NOTHING to do at all with this movie. Just in case.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Aug 27 2004, 02:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Aug 27 2004, 02:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tofumaster+Aug 27 2004, 02:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tofumaster @ Aug 27 2004, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a chinese movie, and it it's been out all over asia for like two years.
But yeah, it's kickass. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A chineese movie made by Quentin Tarantino?
He's white you know... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh. My. God.
Ang Lee director of Crouching Tiger is an American you know.
Hero is made two years ago.
Quentin Tarantino.. is a racist ****
maybe someday I should enlighten the denizens of the NS forums as to the sorry state of Miramax. Suffice to say they are racist as **** and buy up good Chinese movies, heck probably good Asian movies in general, to lockdown the concept and steal their ideas.
Miramax will not permit competition from outside Hollywood and if need be, will squelch a movie in the States forever, as they would have preferred to do with Hero, or totally **** it up and botch it, like Shaolin Soccer, which btw was a hilarious movie, or STEAL the ideas, as they (and Quentin Tarantino) are doing as we speak, "remaking" badass Chinese movies into Ho'wood versions.
Stealing our ideas, to pass off as their own .. while misrepresenting our work.
It is still the same in Hollywood. NO CHINESE ALLOWED
It's strange to say though, that in the early days of film, there was a successful Japanese actor, Sessue Hayakawa, in Hollywood who turned down the role that made Rudolph Valentino a superstar. If you don't know who that is, well he's long dead. Talking 1920. Then post WW2 there was a James Shigeta, who unbelievably for Hollywood was the ROMANTIC lead in a big production movie, not only a romantic lead but a romantic interracial lead. lmao - how far we have come :/
Of course, he was American, being Hawaiian, but still nowadays there is the racist mentality. btw Japanese and Chinese are not the same. If you don't know.. your own loss.
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Aug 27 2004, 03:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Aug 27 2004, 03:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> since generally people aren't going to care if [blanky blank] directed or is involved with a movie if they've never heard of him.
Which seems kind of stupid by Miramax to me... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It seems that way because they only half heartedly released it. Hence, no serious effort. It is their INTENTION, in fact, to keep the American public ignorant of quality foreign works and people abroad
The fact that you or anybody else you might know don't know these names means very little in actuality. It could be easily changed, and besides, there are plenty that do.
<!--QuoteBegin-zooby+Aug 27 2004, 07:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (zooby @ Aug 27 2004, 07:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How can you call any film coming out of China 'great'? Everything that comes out from there sucks. The filmwork is bad, story is bad, just about everything. As an art form it's good, but as a film, it sucked. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah they're generally not yet up to par, but they are very watchable, and they're quite a few enjoyable ones. It's not as if Hollywood churns out all gems either, eh
<!--QuoteBegin-NolSinkler+Aug 27 2004, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NolSinkler @ Aug 27 2004, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm against all chinese/japanese movies. Why?
Chinese: can't stand how they look, and can't stand how they change the voices.
Japanese: It's from the same place that anime comes from, you know its gonna suck ****. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Chinese don't change voices; you've seen dubbed.
tbh I'm not sure whether to take it as a personal insult. tbh I am not sure if I could stand how you look.
It's ridiculous to bring up racist notions of appearance; although it's natural not toinstantly prefer features that you are unused to, if you or someone else is trying to say something else.. let me assure you that you would be, very wrong.
The word sucks is probably too hard.? I'll say it's satisfactory.? Get rid of the fancy stuffs and the movie is just a rehash of rehash.? Wirefu, CG, and matrix ripoff is getting way out of hand.? It's sad that Hong Kong is getting drawn into these fads. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Geezus. It's sad that media influences so much of our lives, and that American media is so racist and so powerful.
Wire-fu, Matrix, is ALL FROM CHINA.
HERO, IS TWO YEARS OLD.
Again, Hollywood likes to take Chinese ideas and give no credit. See Quentin Tarantino, he's stealing them now as we speak. Chinese are not the same as Japanese of course, but I doubt he cares very much; he's just some thief robbing from the mystical 'Orient'
There is too much romanticizing and mythologizing of the West. American media is an 800lb gorilla, selfish, racist, shamelessly self-promoting. It must be undermined and transformed, or opposed by another gorilla. People in other countries need to wake up; the glorified self-titled masters of film in Hollywood, advertising, heck newsbroadcasts - the entire American media apparatus and the people involved, do not have your best interests in mind; do not have your people's best interest in mind. They care only for themselves - what more could be expected of them ?<span style='color:white'>[/edit]</span>
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8 posts in a row... good going! That's HALF of your posts[At the time of this writing], mind putting it in all one post? <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Quentin Tarantino.. is a racist ****<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And you'd know... how?
Uh windle... where did I say all movies coming out of china are good? =P Like I said earlier; crud is universal! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Fire, I'd slow down with your tirades against Tarantino for a second. <a href='http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299977/trivia' target='_blank'>Straight from the Movie Database:</a> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Miramax, the distributor, apparently cut out 20 minutes from the movie because they found that part to be "too Asian and confusing" for western audiences. Then-Miramax honcho Harvey Weinstein made a deal with Quentin Tarantino that he'd release the film uncut if Tarantino would allow a "Quentin Tarantino Presents" tag at the beginning of the film. Tarantino agreed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The 'presents' trick is ages old. You take a well known name loosely connected to the subject matter, tack it on the work of a relatively unknown artist as a kind of endorsement, and that's it. Hell, Tarantino had similiar deals on his early movies in Europe. In the end, his name kept the cutter at bay, which I'd call an all-around positive development.
Or, for those who can't keep up with Nem's incredible wit (boy what a suck-up), allow me to simplify:
Miramax: "This movie is too confusing for my idiot audience. I'll molest it."
Tarantino: "Oh please, won't you release the movie the way it was made? You can't do this!"
Miramax: "If I release the movie uncut, can I use your name for promotion?" *wields scissors menacingly*
Tarantino: "Deal."
Firestorm: If we're talking of the Han Dynasty that existed around the time of the roman empire, then what happened to it? After a mere 200 years (the Zhou dynasty lasted for 800 iirc, just for comparison), it fell victim to corruption, was reformed into "Latter Han", then, after another 200 years, again lapsed into corruption and never recovered. While the first Hans were virtuous, their descendants were weak and ill-suited for the power they wielded.
Edit: lolfighter should start talking about chinese history AFTER he's read up on it, not BEFORE.
<!--QuoteBegin-whiskey cola+Aug 30 2004, 09:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (whiskey cola @ Aug 30 2004, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Unlike the people who like to bring half of the asian countries, name tags and annoying people in the audience into play,
I simply enjoyed the movie and had a good time watching it.
The end. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Likewise.
The only thing that bothered me was the ridiculous jump-fly action. But they've been doing that for 30 years, I don't see why they are willing to change it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ok so I saw Hero yesterday (even though it was #1 in box office save your money) and today I rewatched the trailer. Wow is the the trailer misleading.... I wish I could have watched the movie the trailer was talking about <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
My bad, Quentin Tarantino apparently supported Hero in the face of Miramax's vacillation. Regardless of the man's personal qualities and the nature of his work, he does not support clamping down on foreign movies. Miramax being the usual **** that they are would not release it. They forced Mr. Tarantino to put his name on it. <b><i>So he says</i></b>.
<span style='color:white'>[edit]</span>Yeah the trailer made the movie seem a whole lot sexier than it was. And I liked the movie.<span style='color:white'>[/edit]</span>
<!--QuoteBegin-_.:Firestorm:._+Aug 30 2004, 11:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (_.:Firestorm:._ @ Aug 30 2004, 11:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b><i>So he says</i></b>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What leads you to assume that Trantino issued this statement? Furthermore, what would keep Miramax from bringing their lawyers into position if he had truly slandered them there?
Sorry, but it seems infinitely more likely that this is just the way it went.
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I could make general sweeping statements saying all movies coming from america are total crud and I'd have plenty of fine examples to back up that silly statement but it's not any further true than in any other country. I could go so far to say that most american films involve very little brain activity in the audience to be enjoyed and have even <b>more</b> titles to show it with but once again it wouldn't be true really.
Sometimes 'brain off' movies are fun. Sometimes films that actually involve using grey matter come out from the US of A (contact was a fave of mine =3 ). You can't make generalisations without being wrong somewhere.
If you write off things with innane generalisations like that every time the only things you're really doing are:
1) Make everyone think you're a narrow-minded fool.
2) Cheating yourself out of seeing things you might enjoy.
I don't care where something's from as long as it's cool. If it's not then it's still crud no matter if it was made by someone in the west or east. Crud is beautifully universal like that XD
As for Hero it's on my 'to watch' list along with Chronicles of Riddick, Shrek 2 (still not seen it!), Dodgeball, The Village (don't care what the reviews say, I want to see it ), etc <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't care if you like a movie or not, but I care when you make a sweeping generelization over an entire countries filmmaking ability because of a few bad examples. People seem to treat Foreign film as a genre instead of, well, as Gemmy would put, a communication medium or whatever.
Chinese: can't stand how they look, and can't stand how they change the voices.
Japanese: It's from the same place that anime comes from, you know its gonna suck ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
In stereo where available
The word sucks is probably too hard. I'll say it's satisfactory. Get rid of the fancy stuffs and the movie is just a rehash of rehash. Wirefu, CG, and matrix ripoff is getting way out of hand. It's sad that Hong Kong is getting drawn into these fads.
And wirefu is a fad? It's been around since Kung-Fu movies started, have they not? Invented by Hong Kong films....
First and most importantly, the martial arts in Matrix sucked ****.
Chinese: can't stand how they look, and can't stand how they change the voices.
Japanese: It's from the same place that anime comes from, you know its gonna suck ****. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
u r mean! do not insult my brothers! I dont likie rascists! ARRRR <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
chinese taste funny
But yeah, it's kickass. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A chineese movie made by Quentin Tarantino?
He's white you know... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please read the poster. It says "Quintin Tarantino Presents"
AKA He had nothing to do with the production/filming/directing of this film. In fact, the film was finished and released in China 2 years ago. The only thing Tarantino is doing is bringing the film to North America.
That, and its a selling point. Put Tarantino's name on it, and people will go to see it mearly for that.
Otherwise, I havn't seen the movie yet, but I'd like to. It looks interesting.
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That... That was so awesome it made me forget my present troubles. A stumbly wumbly. <i>A stumbly wumbly</i>. My.... My God man.
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That... That was so awesome it made me forget my present troubles. A stumbly wumbly. <i>A stumbly wumbly</i>. My.... My God man. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ahah, ahahahah!! XD
Why? I watched it in its original Chinese, and I thought it was horrible. My parents also thought it was horrible.
Having watched it the way it was intended to be watched, I have a more credible opinion than you. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe Testament is referring to both yours and Nol's ability to make sweeping, uninformed generalizations. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uniformed? I AM Chinese, and I've watched more chinese films and shows that any of you here. That would make me more informed. See, in China, films and shows make money based on how long they are. (So a director will stretch a 30 min plotline into 1-1.5 hrs just for the $$$.) Please tell me how an entire film culture based on that mentality that could possibly be any good.
In Lord of the Rings, there are long shots that are pointless, but are there to show off the graphics. And there's music. In most Chinese TV it's just silent, and they take in like half of the person's head in the shots.
My mother watches chinese soaps with on finger on the 'fast-forward button' because there's so much stupid crap that's redundant.
"What a lousy piece of propaganda" -- first words out of my father's mouth when the movie was over.
Chinese people don't view him as a tyrant, but as the first ruler of the Chinese people.
Why wouldn't you glorify someone that is sort of on par with George Washington?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The movie was going so-so with the audience until the scene where Nameless cuts the bindings for all of those logs. When all of the logs fell, this fellow at the front of the theater said really loudly "Now who gunna pick all dem' logs up?!" and everyone in that theater just laughed. After that, the movie just became a joke. All in all, it was nothing great. The highlight of the movie turned out to be a guy yelling from the front row of the theater, so that can give you a hint. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They weren't logs, they were scrolls. Back before paper was invented, they cut bamboo strips and wrote on those.
^^
Not every movie made in asia is good. In fact, the vast majority of movies made in asia are pure crap. But not all - including this movie, which was quite the opposite of pure crap. Zhang Yimou is not a crap Hong Kong film director, he's considered one of the top 5 best filmmakers, or something. There's a reason this one came to the US, because it's good. There's a reason that only a few from asia get ported here; because they're good. (Obviously, a good filmmaker like Quentin Tarantino can recognize this, which is presumably why he plugged for its release here.)
For those of you who said the story was pure crap, the story was actually true <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (minus the three assassins, it was a single rebel leader, but same idea).
As for the artistic content of the film, I'm not surprised that a lot of people didn't like it. I know that some people in the theater I was in didn't understand it; they probably thought the wire-fu (if that's what you call it) was a gimmick, and the battle with Sky was a ripoff of the Matrix. Whatever, it sucks for them. An analogy I often use when I'm talking about the lamentable state of art in the US is a great literary work (say, Shakespeare) and R.L. Stine's Goosebumps! [for euros, a really trashy 'horror' book series for teens]. Movies that Americans like are Goosebumps! equivalents, so it comes to me as no surprise that a lot of people couldn't deal with no explosions and sexy babes. (Although Zhang Ziyi is smokin.)
By the way, it doesn't make any difference that the US is made up of a variety of different races and religions and cultures and what-have-you. With minor variance, everybody in the US is exposed to the same media input no matter their personal characteristics. Nearly everybody in the US is advertised flashy shampoo and big explosions, and therefore nearly everybody has come to accept that as a cultural norm. Which is why so many people are unable to understand movies like Hero (or at least not able to understand the art behind it). I'll even say that I didn't understand it, because I've been so sandblasted with skin-deep Goosebumps! culture. In my defense, at least I was able to tell that there was something there that I wasn't getting. The average American moviegoer was probably going "LOL thier ninj4 cloths change3d colors olo WTH must be a broked reel LOL." So there.
btw, ninj4.
anyway, if anyone wants to discuss the symbolism/allegories/thematic elements in the movie, let's go! I was thinking that colors meant a lot to this movie (somewhat obviously). I couldn't quite keep track of what all the colors meant - maybe every character had an color attributed to them? I can think of:
Red - Nameless
Black/Blue - Emperor Qin
Green - Broken Sword
Light blue - Flying Snow
and then the one that's different,
White - truth
but other than that, I haven't gotten anything out of it (I only got out of the theater about an hour ago). So input!!!
I was thinking Light Blue was what the King thought happened, Red is lies.
Who the **** does that guy think he is ? He had NOTHING to do with the movie, except maybe black it out until it's release was forced.
That said, I did enjoy the movie however Zhang Yimou the director is selling out and it should be easy to see, although hopefully not too overbearing that ***SPOILER SPOILER*** it is a propaganda tool supporting authoritarian regimes everywhere, and supporting Mao Zedong the man himself.
It is well known that Mao Zedong admired and sought to emulate the First Emperor, who wiped away old institutions and burned the books, murdered whomever he wished and exploited whomever he wanted, restructured the whole of Chinese society completely and permanently, revised the written language in addition to unifying other useful standards such as road widths, units of measure, etc.
The Qin nation and empire espoused the philosophy of government known as Legalism. The individual cannot be trusted to himself; the State must decide for him. All activities are to be overseen by the State, for instance monopolies on salt and iron were introduced. Laws must be strict and made for every conceivable thing to keep the people in line. The individual exists only to serve the State, and the duty of the State is to make war.
In these ways it is easy to see the resemblance to Naziism, Fascism, Communism. Ying Zheng, a.k.a. Shi HuangDi, i.e. the First Emperor, was the original Fascist.
The united empire lasted but a mere 15 years. However, after the fall of his tyrannical regime, came the long lasting, identity forming, powerful and legendary empire of the Han, a rival to Rome and arguably superior.
The "real" Chinese today are still known as the sons of the Han. Mao lured the people forward with fruitless dreams. As if to accept his way, to accept the short term pain, was to lead to a new Han, a reborn empire.
I hope so
<span style='color:white'>[edit]</span><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There are 6 kingdoms in China <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
At the time the last steamroll begins, 7, counting Qin.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Instantly you are drawn into the character 'Nameless' played by Jet Li. Out of all of the action movies I have seen him in, I would say this would be his break through performance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know if his fans would agree - I've seen many of his although I am not hardcore. I would say he has "breakthrough"ed long ago. This is not an American movie; Jet Li is not an American actor.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->having the same director contributes to it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What same director are you talking about ?
Ang Lee, who went to U Illinois Urbana Champaign for his undergrad, directed Crouching Tiger, a movie made for American tastes. Zhang Yimou, a famous Chinese director, directed Hero. It doesn't matter if you don't know him, most Americans don't know ****, no offense (or is there ? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) Zhang Yimou IS selling out; that accounts for the authoritarian message as well as the vague resemblance to Crouching Tiger.
P.S. Quentin Tarantino that ****, had NOTHING to do at all with this movie. Just in case.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Aug 27 2004, 02:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Aug 27 2004, 02:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tofumaster+Aug 27 2004, 02:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tofumaster @ Aug 27 2004, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a chinese movie, and it it's been out all over asia for like two years.
But yeah, it's kickass. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A chineese movie made by Quentin Tarantino?
He's white you know... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh. My. God.
Ang Lee director of Crouching Tiger is an American you know.
Hero is made two years ago.
Quentin Tarantino.. is a racist ****
maybe someday I should enlighten the denizens of the NS forums as to the sorry state of Miramax. Suffice to say they are racist as **** and buy up good Chinese movies, heck probably good Asian movies in general, to lockdown the concept and steal their ideas.
Miramax will not permit competition from outside Hollywood and if need be, will squelch a movie in the States forever, as they would have preferred to do with Hero, or totally **** it up and botch it, like Shaolin Soccer, which btw was a hilarious movie, or STEAL the ideas, as they (and Quentin Tarantino) are doing as we speak, "remaking" badass Chinese movies into Ho'wood versions.
Stealing our ideas, to pass off as their own .. while misrepresenting our work.
It is still the same in Hollywood. NO CHINESE ALLOWED
It's strange to say though, that in the early days of film, there was a successful Japanese actor, Sessue Hayakawa, in Hollywood who turned down the role that made Rudolph Valentino a superstar. If you don't know who that is, well he's long dead. Talking 1920. Then post WW2 there was a James Shigeta, who unbelievably for Hollywood was the ROMANTIC lead in a big production movie, not only a romantic lead but a romantic interracial lead. lmao - how far we have come :/
Of course, he was American, being Hawaiian, but still nowadays there is the racist mentality. btw Japanese and Chinese are not the same. If you don't know.. your own loss.
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Aug 27 2004, 03:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Aug 27 2004, 03:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> since generally people aren't going to care if [blanky blank] directed or is involved with a movie if they've never heard of him.
Which seems kind of stupid by Miramax to me... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It seems that way because they only half heartedly released it. Hence, no serious effort. It is their INTENTION, in fact, to keep the American public ignorant of quality foreign works and people abroad
The fact that you or anybody else you might know don't know these names means very little in actuality. It could be easily changed, and besides, there are plenty that do.
<!--QuoteBegin-zooby+Aug 27 2004, 07:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (zooby @ Aug 27 2004, 07:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How can you call any film coming out of China 'great'? Everything that comes out from there sucks. The filmwork is bad, story is bad, just about everything. As an art form it's good, but as a film, it sucked. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah they're generally not yet up to par, but they are very watchable, and they're quite a few enjoyable ones. It's not as if Hollywood churns out all gems either, eh
<!--QuoteBegin-NolSinkler+Aug 27 2004, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NolSinkler @ Aug 27 2004, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm against all chinese/japanese movies. Why?
Chinese: can't stand how they look, and can't stand how they change the voices.
Japanese: It's from the same place that anime comes from, you know its gonna suck ****. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Chinese don't change voices; you've seen dubbed.
tbh I'm not sure whether to take it as a personal insult. tbh I am not sure if I could stand how you look.
It's ridiculous to bring up racist notions of appearance; although it's natural not toinstantly prefer features that you are unused to, if you or someone else is trying to say something else.. let me assure you that you would be, very wrong.
Japanese : I can't comment.. I don't care enough
<!--QuoteBegin-Dr.Suredeath+Aug 28 2004, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr.Suredeath @ Aug 28 2004, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm gonna change my position.
The word sucks is probably too hard.? I'll say it's satisfactory.? Get rid of the fancy stuffs and the movie is just a rehash of rehash.? Wirefu, CG, and matrix ripoff is getting way out of hand.? It's sad that Hong Kong is getting drawn into these fads. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Geezus. It's sad that media influences so much of our lives, and that American media is so racist and so powerful.
Wire-fu, Matrix, is ALL FROM CHINA.
HERO, IS TWO YEARS OLD.
Again, Hollywood likes to take Chinese ideas and give no credit. See Quentin Tarantino, he's stealing them now as we speak. Chinese are not the same as Japanese of course, but I doubt he cares very much; he's just some thief robbing from the mystical 'Orient'
There is too much romanticizing and mythologizing of the West. American media is an 800lb gorilla, selfish, racist, shamelessly self-promoting. It must be undermined and transformed, or opposed by another gorilla. People in other countries need to wake up; the glorified self-titled masters of film in Hollywood, advertising, heck newsbroadcasts - the entire American media apparatus and the people involved, do not have your best interests in mind; do not have your people's best interest in mind. They care only for themselves - what more could be expected of them ?<span style='color:white'>[/edit]</span>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Quentin Tarantino.. is a racist ****<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you'd know... how?
Like I said earlier; crud is universal! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299977/trivia' target='_blank'>Straight from the Movie Database:</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Miramax, the distributor, apparently cut out 20 minutes from the movie because they found that part to be "too Asian and confusing" for western audiences. Then-Miramax honcho Harvey Weinstein made a deal with Quentin Tarantino that he'd release the film uncut if Tarantino would allow a "Quentin Tarantino Presents" tag at the beginning of the film. Tarantino agreed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The 'presents' trick is ages old. You take a well known name loosely connected to the subject matter, tack it on the work of a relatively unknown artist as a kind of endorsement, and that's it. Hell, Tarantino had similiar deals on his early movies in Europe. In the end, his name kept the cutter at bay, which I'd call an all-around positive development.
Miramax: "This movie is too confusing for my idiot audience. I'll molest it."
Tarantino: "Oh please, won't you release the movie the way it was made? You can't do this!"
Miramax: "If I release the movie uncut, can I use your name for promotion?" *wields scissors menacingly*
Tarantino: "Deal."
Firestorm: If we're talking of the Han Dynasty that existed around the time of the roman empire, then what happened to it? After a mere 200 years (the Zhou dynasty lasted for 800 iirc, just for comparison), it fell victim to corruption, was reformed into "Latter Han", then, after another 200 years, again lapsed into corruption and never recovered. While the first Hans were virtuous, their descendants were weak and ill-suited for the power they wielded.
Edit: lolfighter should start talking about chinese history AFTER he's read up on it, not BEFORE.
I simply enjoyed the movie and had a good time watching it.
The end.
I simply enjoyed the movie and had a good time watching it.
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Likewise.
The only thing that bothered me was the ridiculous jump-fly action. But they've been doing that for 30 years, I don't see why they are willing to change it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='color:white'>[edit]</span>Yeah the trailer made the movie seem a whole lot sexier than it was. And I liked the movie.<span style='color:white'>[/edit]</span>
What leads you to assume that Trantino issued this statement? Furthermore, what would keep Miramax from bringing their lawyers into position if he had truly slandered them there?
Sorry, but it seems infinitely more likely that this is just the way it went.