Heads Off To Keep Little Muslim Girls
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We all know that terrorists in Iraq have no problem hacking peoples heads off to encourage international forces to abandon Iraq to a bloody power vacuum. And we can all agree that that would be a gawd awful way to die. But if having your head hacked off because your a civilian trying to restore the country is bad enough - how'd you like to be executed in the name of religious oppression in France?
Apparently, this could become a reality for two French journalists, who, if France doesnt repeal its legislation banning Muslim headscarves from schools etc, may be executed soon.
I'm kind of caught here though. France's banning of religious symbols is reprehensible, and a gross violation of civil rights - yet I dont believe that they should bow before tactics such as these.
Opinions anyone?
We all know that terrorists in Iraq have no problem hacking peoples heads off to encourage international forces to abandon Iraq to a bloody power vacuum. And we can all agree that that would be a gawd awful way to die. But if having your head hacked off because your a civilian trying to restore the country is bad enough - how'd you like to be executed in the name of religious oppression in France?
Apparently, this could become a reality for two French journalists, who, if France doesnt repeal its legislation banning Muslim headscarves from schools etc, may be executed soon.
I'm kind of caught here though. France's banning of religious symbols is reprehensible, and a gross violation of civil rights - yet I dont believe that they should bow before tactics such as these.
Opinions anyone?
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There was a case where a school caught fire in Saudi Arabia, and a bunch of girls burned to death because the police wouldn't let them come out without the proper headgear on.
I saw go for the saving-of-lives and then change tactics to minimize the chances of this happening again (ie withdraw journalists)
In either case, I feel real bad for the journalists who can do nothing about either, but suffer the consequences for both.
"We have carried out the sentence of God against 12 Nepalis who came from their country to fight the Muslims and to serve the Jews and the Christians ... believing in Buddha as their God," said the statement by the military committee of the Army of Ansar al-Sunna.
Looks like being a Jew or a Christian isn't bad enough - now they are striking out at people from other religions.
Although I have little good opinion of the French government, I think they will hold firm with their law.
Say WHAT? Personal feeling is that you can't call these people muslim, especially if you're already slightly biased against them. They definitely do not represent a majority of muslims.
Concerning this, it's much more symbolic than anything else... Some people need to live in their culture, like we all do.
We all know that terrorists in Iraq have no problem hacking peoples heads off to encourage international forces to abandon Iraq to a bloody power vacuum. And we can all agree that that would be a gawd awful way to die. But if having your head hacked off because your a civilian trying to restore the country is bad enough - how'd you like to be executed in the name of religious oppression in France?
Apparently, this could become a reality for two French journalists, who, if France doesnt repeal its legislation banning Muslim headscarves from schools etc, may be executed soon.
I'm kind of caught here though. France's banning of religious symbols is reprehensible, and a gross violation of civil rights - yet I dont believe that they should bow before tactics such as these.
Opinions anyone? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's under my impression that the video everyone saw on the internet about the guy getting decapitated was faked by some guy in San Francisco. If you don't believe me I can go look up the article.
But yeah, they really didn't do anything to anyone, someone faked that video.
But yeah, they really didn't do anything to anyone, someone faked that video. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are horribly horribly misinformed.
It is true that <a href='http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/08/07/national1456EDT0521.DTL' target='_blank'>this idiot faked his own decapitation</a> but others have <i>really</i> been killed this way in Iraq and don't see how you could hear about this and not the <i>real</i> ones.
Let me fill you in, because you must not get much exposure to <i>any</i> media.
Heres Paul Johnson Jr: <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saudi.kidnap/' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saudi.kidnap/</a>
Heres Nick Berg: <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/12/iraq.berg/' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/12/iraq.berg/</a>
And also Kim Sun-il: <a href='http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1063' target='_blank'>http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1063</a>
This poor soul: <a href='http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/2695417' target='_blank'>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/s...al/iraq/2695417</a>
And who knows how many I might be missing.
Also not counting ones that didn't take place in Iraq such as <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1835209.stm' target='_blank'>poor Daniel Pearl.</a>
This vile method of attempting to achieve political goals has proven to be a failure in the past and I hope it will continue to do so. If we bow to it once, they will keep on using it against us. We should focus on protecting our people better, by keeping stricter limits on our civilians over seas in hot spots.
I'm not an Iraqi.
I'm not a terrorist.
I'm not a muslim school girl.
I'm not a journalist.
I'm not a hostage.
I'm not a politician.
So, summarily, I don't care. And that is my opinion on the subject. Thank you for your time.
I'm not an Iraqi.
I'm not a terrorist.
I'm not a muslim school girl.
I'm not a journalist.
I'm not a hostage.
I'm not a politician.
So, summarily, I don't care. And that is my opinion on the subject. Thank you for your time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My condolences. To be without empathy or compassion is to be subhuman. I wish you the greatest of success in your efforts to rejoin the rest of us that care.
Also, whats with the HATE FRANCE bandwagon anyway? Is this still rooted from the fact they didn't want to participate in a frivolous war?
Whats with the HATE FRANCE bandwagon? Same reason you lead the HATE AMERICA bandwagon - I despise their foreign policy, their Government, and specifically their recent discriminatory laws. Given that these are only possible with large scale support from the French people, what else am I supposed to say?
Individually, I dont mind the French, but the collective represented by the Chirac Government infuriates me no end.
If this was the Bush administration implementing bans on religious insigna you'd never stop going on about Bush amz teh naziz0r, but because Chirac opposed the Iraq war you seem more than willing to gloss over this little act of infamy.
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And I was wrong with the last statement - this is the closest we are ever going to get to agreement, we both hate Chirac!
Whats with the HATE FRANCE bandwagon? Same reason you lead the HATE AMERICA bandwagon - I despise their foreign policy, their Government, and specifically their recent discriminatory laws. Given that these are only possible with large scale support from the French people, what else am I supposed to say?
Individually, I dont mind the French, but the collective represented by the Chirac Government infuriates me no end.
If this was the Bush administration implementing bans on religious insigna you'd never stop going on about Bush amz teh naziz0r, but because Chirac opposed the Iraq war you seem more than willing to gloss over this little act of infamy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never said I approved of them either, both bush and chirac can go to hell.
Its not the French that we hate, just the out spoken French. They are self serving, arrogent **** holes (yes that will get edited). Always willing to tell you when you are wrong, but never willing to admit their errors. The HATE FRANCE bandwagon has been around for the longest time though.
I say we do what communist russia did in a terrorist hostage situation involving a high profile government official. They found out who the hostage taker was, got his daughter. Sent her to him in pieces and told him if he didn't release the hostages unharmed, he would recieve more packages. It worked, the hostages were released. <--sarcasm*
That said, France should not change the legislation. Giving into the demands will only encourage more kidnappings. Though I don't agree with the law banning religious garb and jewlery in school, they need to stand behind it now.
But yeah, they really didn't do anything to anyone, someone faked that video. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are horribly horribly misinformed.
It is true that <a href='http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/08/07/national1456EDT0521.DTL' target='_blank'>this idiot faked his own decapitation</a> but others have <i>really</i> been killed this way in Iraq and don't see how you could hear about this and not the <i>real</i> ones.
Let me fill you in, because you must not get much exposure to <i>any</i> media.
Heres Paul Johnson Jr: <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saudi.kidnap/' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saudi.kidnap/</a>
Heres Nick Berg: <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/12/iraq.berg/' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/12/iraq.berg/</a>
And also Kim Sun-il: <a href='http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1063' target='_blank'>http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1063</a>
This poor soul: <a href='http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/2695417' target='_blank'>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/s...al/iraq/2695417</a>
And who knows how many I might be missing.
Also not counting ones that didn't take place in Iraq such as <a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1835209.stm' target='_blank'>poor Daniel Pearl.</a>
This vile method of attempting to achieve political goals has proven to be a failure in the past and I hope it will continue to do so. If we bow to it once, they will keep on using it against us. We should focus on protecting our people better, by keeping stricter limits on our civilians over seas in hot spots. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So I am but it still doesn't make right all the crazy, weird **** crap that we did to them over there. Along with the bombings of a populated area(and don't you dare tell me we were bombing military buildings in Baghdad, its their capital and thousands of civilians live there).
In short what I am trying to say is that even if they decapitate random American military personnel, it doesn't escape the fact that we shouldn't even be in Iraq, much less torturing its people.
Hmm, I have major problems with that. First of all - regardless of your war position - decapitation of prisioners is wrong.
Second - If you bothered to read the initial poster, these are FRENCH hostages - not "a random American military personel".
Third - we did something to stop the tourture, these people are killing more or less for fun. I bring up the latest one - 12 Nepalies killed for trying to work in the civilian sanitation department.
I find it disturbing that you can have any sympathy for these extremists. There is nothing "right" about taking hostages and beheading them. I don't care what belief you have, if you don't condemn them, in my eyes you are one of them.
Hmm, I have major problems with that. First of all - regardless of your war position - decapitation of prisioners is wrong.
Second - If you bothered to read the initial poster, these are FRENCH hostages - not "a random American military personel".
Third - we did something to stop the tourture, these people are killing more or less for fun. I bring up the latest one - 12 Nepalies killed for trying to work in the civilian sanitation department.
I find it disturbing that you can have any sympathy for these extremists. There is nothing "right" about taking hostages and beheading them. I don't care what belief you have, if you don't condemn them, in my eyes you are one of them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, please don't you ever say that ever again. Just because I have sympathy FOR HUMAN LIFE doesn't mean I am in support for decaptation of HUMAN BEINGS.
WE SHOULDN'T BE IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW, THERE WOULDN'T BE THESE DECAPITATIONS IF WE WEREN'T OVER THERE.
<span style='color:red'>Be civil or begone.</span> You think decapitating someone is fun? No it isn't, it gives them the little hope for something they aren't going to get because they have no chances of living normal lives. People only do this kind of crap when they are SEVERLY OPPRESSED, and these people are being oppressed. Everyone wants to live a normal life, but try to live one when your house is bombed one day and your cousins are being molested by American Soldiers in prison.
PS. I didn't want to start throwing out the insults but when you talk to me like that I can't resort to anything else.
WE SHOULDN'T BE IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW, THERE WOULDN'T BE THESE DECAPITATIONS IF WE WEREN'T OVER THERE.
Secondly, your a moron for saying that they do this for fun. You think decapitating someone is fun? No it isn't, it gives them the little hope for something they aren't going to get because they have no chances of living normal lives. People only do this kind of crap when they are SEVERLY OPPRESSED, and these people are being oppressed. Everyone wants to live a normal life, but try to live one when your house is bombed one day and your cousins are being molested by American Soldiers in prison.
PS. I didn't want to start throwing out the insults but when you talk to me like that I can't resort to anything else. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well first off you’re talking pretty tough for someone who just found out about these decapitations on the NS discussion forums long after they took place.
Secondly these people are not being oppressed by America. Whether they realize it or not they have so much more freedom now then they did under Saddam, even you can agree with that. The only limited freedom Iraqi's have are the curfews and raids, which only take place because people keep fighting the American forces.
No ones house is being bombed anymore, the major military operations have ended. The actually aerial bombardment was wrapped up fairly quickly, and although some civilian casualties did occur, it was fairly clean.
What you fail to mention in your ranting is that most Iraqi's killed since the US invasion have been killed by other Iraqi's in terrorist attacks that only hinder their own freedom and progress.
No matter who wins this election we are not leaving Iraq, this is hardly a Vietnam. We will stay and finish what we started, the sooner these rebels realize this the better.
WE SHOULDN'T BE IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW, THERE WOULDN'T BE THESE DECAPITATIONS IF WE WEREN'T OVER THERE.
Secondly, your a moron for saying that they do this for fun. You think decapitating someone is fun? No it isn't, it gives them the little hope for something they aren't going to get because they have no chances of living normal lives. People only do this kind of crap when they are SEVERLY OPPRESSED, and these people are being oppressed. Everyone wants to live a normal life, but try to live one when your house is bombed one day and your cousins are being molested by American Soldiers in prison.
PS. I didn't want to start throwing out the insults but when you talk to me like that I can't resort to anything else. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well first off you’re talking pretty tough for someone who just found out about these decapitations on the NS discussion forums long after they took place.
Secondly these people are not being oppressed by America. Whether they realize it or not they have so much more freedom now then they did under Saddam, even you can agree with that. The only limited freedom Iraqi's have are the curfews and raids, which only take place because people keep fighting the American forces.
No ones house is being bombed anymore, the major military operations have ended. The actually aerial bombardment was wrapped up fairly quickly, and although some civilian casualties did occur, it was fairly clean.
What you fail to mention in your ranting is that most Iraqi's killed since the US invasion have been killed by other Iraqi's in terrorist attacks that only hinder their own freedom and progress.
No matter who wins this election we are not leaving Iraq, this is hardly a Vietnam. We will stay and finish what we started, the sooner these rebels realize this the better. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It may be ranting but its true. Secondly, I don't remember Iraqi's killing over 10,000 of its own people. Please don't use the Gassing the Kurds example, its way overused, 20 years ago, and they were different tribes. Tribes that were fighting over power of the country(I am not saying what he did was right but you can't use that argument as a means for invading a sovereign nation and killing tens of thousands of its civilians). Plus, Iraq was part of the United Nations and we DIDN'T have the UN sanction to invade Iraq but that really didn't stop us(which shows you how useful the UN is, just about as useful as the League of Nations was).
Lastly, this is the biggest argument of them all. We went in there(and this was the ONLY REASON we went in there), was to destroy the supposed WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION that Saddam had. Whoops, I guess there wasn't any, lets just play it off like Iraq needs the help of removing its despotic dictator who kills people at random just because he feels like it.
The bottom story with Saddam was that yes, people didn't like him that much but then again I really don't like Bush that much, espiecially with all this Patriot Act BS. Does Saddam torture people? Yes, of course he does but then again so do we. Does he mass murder whole populations? No but we do, I think killing over 10,000 civilians is kind of overkill in civilian casualites. Plus we have already had over 1,000 American deaths and everyone says thats an acceptable number, personally, I wouldn't say 1 death is an acceptable number because it ISN'T. We shouldn't be over there and there really is no argument that you can send my way that will change my opinion on this matter or the hundreds of millions of other opinions in the US either.
Hmm, I have major problems with that. First of all - regardless of your war position - decapitation of prisioners is wrong.
Second - If you bothered to read the initial poster, these are FRENCH hostages - not "a random American military personel".
Third - we did something to stop the tourture, these people are killing more or less for fun. I bring up the latest one - 12 Nepalies killed for trying to work in the civilian sanitation department.
I find it disturbing that you can have any sympathy for these extremists. There is nothing "right" about taking hostages and beheading them. I don't care what belief you have, if you don't condemn them, in my eyes you are one of them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, please don't you ever say that ever again. Just because I have sympathy FOR HUMAN LIFE doesn't mean I am in support for decaptation of HUMAN BEINGS.
WE SHOULDN'T BE IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW, THERE WOULDN'T BE THESE DECAPITATIONS IF WE WEREN'T OVER THERE.
Secondly, your a moron for saying that they do this for fun. You think decapitating someone is fun? No it isn't, it gives them the little hope for something they aren't going to get because they have no chances of living normal lives. People only do this kind of crap when they are SEVERLY OPPRESSED, and these people are being oppressed. Everyone wants to live a normal life, but try to live one when your house is bombed one day and your cousins are being molested by American Soldiers in prison.
PS. I didn't want to start throwing out the insults but when you talk to me like that I can't resort to anything else. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK Jim, here it is. I place on <b>you</b> the burden of Proof.
In keeping with the topic - which is not about US involvment in Iraq, please Prove to me the Justification these extremists have in decapitating anyone. Fight my posts, Jim, don't just call me a moron. Back it up!
Understand, Jim, that the people they have decapitated have been Civilians, their targets are not military.
Also, Jim, if you are going to hide behind the UN - do it with equal footing. The UN does not aprove of decapitation of prisoners either.
And as for the insults - I didn't insult you. I challenged you - just like I am now. Show me how to have sympathy for the extreemists.
P.S. As for resorting to insults because of the way I wrote? Well, that sounds suspiciously as though your argument has fallen through and mud slinging is all that is left.
WE SHOULDN'T BE IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW, THERE WOULDN'T BE THESE DECAPITATIONS IF WE WEREN'T OVER THERE.
Secondly, your a moron for saying that they do this for fun. You think decapitating someone is fun? No it isn't, it gives them the little hope for something they aren't going to get because they have no chances of living normal lives. People only do this kind of crap when they are SEVERLY OPPRESSED, and these people are being oppressed. Everyone wants to live a normal life, but try to live one when your house is bombed one day and your cousins are being molested by American Soldiers in prison.
PS. I didn't want to start throwing out the insults but when you talk to me like that I can't resort to anything else. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well first off you’re talking pretty tough for someone who just found out about these decapitations on the NS discussion forums long after they took place.
Secondly these people are not being oppressed by America. Whether they realize it or not they have so much more freedom now then they did under Saddam, even you can agree with that. The only limited freedom Iraqi's have are the curfews and raids, which only take place because people keep fighting the American forces.
No ones house is being bombed anymore, the major military operations have ended. The actually aerial bombardment was wrapped up fairly quickly, and although some civilian casualties did occur, it was fairly clean.
What you fail to mention in your ranting is that most Iraqi's killed since the US invasion have been killed by other Iraqi's in terrorist attacks that only hinder their own freedom and progress.
No matter who wins this election we are not leaving Iraq, this is hardly a Vietnam. We will stay and finish what we started, the sooner these rebels realize this the better. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It may be ranting but its true. Secondly, I don't remember Iraqi's killing over 10,000 of its own people. Please don't use the Gassing the Kurds example, its way overused, 20 years ago, and they were different tribes. Tribes that were fighting over power of the country(I am not saying what he did was right but you can't use that argument as a means for invading a sovereign nation and killing tens of thousands of its civilians). Plus, Iraq was part of the United Nations and we DIDN'T have the UN sanction to invade Iraq but that really didn't stop us(which shows you how useful the UN is, just about as useful as the League of Nations was).
Lastly, this is the biggest argument of them all. We went in there(and this was the ONLY REASON we went in there), was to destroy the supposed WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION that Saddam had. Whoops, I guess there wasn't any, lets just play it off like Iraq needs the help of removing its despotic dictator who kills people at random just because he feels like it.
The bottom story with Saddam was that yes, people didn't like him that much but then again I really don't like Bush that much, espiecially with all this Patriot Act BS. Does Saddam torture people? Yes, of course he does but then again so do we. Does he mass murder whole populations? No but we do, I think killing over 10,000 civilians is kind of overkill in civilian casualites. Plus we have already had over 1,000 American deaths and everyone says thats an acceptable number, personally, I wouldn't say 1 death is an acceptable number because it ISN'T. We shouldn't be over there and there really is no argument that you can send my way that will change my opinion on this matter or the hundreds of millions of other opinions in the US either. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't really like Bush. If someone in Iraq said he/she didn't really like Saddam he/she would be very, very, screwed.
I case you don't realize, but that law does not aim for Muslim insignia and symbols exclusively but prohibits the display of ANY religios symbols, including christian and jewish stuff.
If there are equal circumstances for everybody, there is no oppression. Simple.
Secondly, the situation in France is somehow special. Since the french revolution, the government is strictly seperated from the church. That is stated in frenchs constitution.
There are, for example, no official religious ecucation lessons at school.
Also in Turkey, aa islamic nation, the government prohibits the wearing of headscarves ( I do not know the exact regulations here, I could research if you are interested) because the headscarves are considered a display of more radical and intolerant kind of islam.
I personally do not think this law is well though out, because it feeds the fires of exteme elements within the muslim community.
However it is definately not oppressive, because it affects ALL religions. However, there are always people who don't realize the obvious and quickly come to comclusions about "oppression" and use that as justification for violence.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And we can all agree that that would be a gawd awful way to die<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess its less painful and way quicker than than the electric chair...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No - no remorse is the characteristic of a psychopath.
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Do you know about their condition of mind? Have you talked to one of them and he said "I regret nothing"?
I guess not, so don't assume thing you cannot prove. Ever thought that these people will see the head fall every night until they die?
These people are conditioned to obey their leader and to fight their enemys, no matter what it takes.
They are at war and they "know" what they are doing is righteous. So they were told at least.
They have been prepared for this.
They are not psychotic, they know what they are doing. They have a mission.
If there are equal circumstances for everybody, there is no oppression. Simple. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
False. You got the bit about equality as far as lost of different religions are oppressed, but it still remains oppression. If I unilaterally deprive everyone in America of liberty - is that actually not oppression, simply because I exclude no one?
What if I lay out a universal law - you may only mate with a member of the opposite sex. What if I then enforce it - hunting down homosexual offenders? Are you going to deny that that would be oppression?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you know about their condition of mind? Have you talked to one of them and he said "I regret nothing"?
I guess not, so don't assume thing you cannot prove. Ever thought that these people will see the head fall every night until they die?
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What I know of psychopaths has been divulged to me by my psychology lecturer. If you actually care about what you do, then you are not a psychopath. I was not referring to Islamic thugs as psychopaths, I was denying that it is an assest a la CWAG claims.
What if I lay out a universal law - you may only mate with a member of the opposite sex. What if I then enforce it - hunting down homosexual offenders? Are you going to deny that that would be oppression?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whow, you are getting very rhetorical here, but in general you are right.
Of course laws can be oppressive to an certain extent, even if they apply on all people alike.
But, to pick up your logic, any law is in its nature oppresive, as it prohibits or or enforces certain behavior.
Any law restricst your personal freedom. If you like to beat up people, you are screwed because that will most likely be prohibited by your countrys authority.
However, a government makes laws to ensure the safety of its people and to maintain civil order. The ideas of justice and order may vary greatly in other culures though.
As I explained before, religion is a somewhat problematic matter in France, because of historical reasons. State and religion are to be stictly seperated in France since centuries. In schools, religion is not officially tought. That idea seems out of date since in <i>most</i>( I highlight this to make sure I don't mean all. please don't start discussiona about Northern Ireland) european nations religion is not that much of an oppinionmaker as it was a few centuries ago. Back then, religious zeal was as common as now in islamic nations.
The recent outburst of religious motivated violence however, brought the matter back to public interest.
You must know that, few muslim women and even fewer little girls in european countries wore their "headgear" before just a few years.
It seams, with the terrorcrisis and Bushs "crusade" (a very, very very bad choice of word. This short centence mybe did more damadge than attacking Iraq...) there has begun a drastic radicalisation on many former liberal muslims. The headscarves are now worn more often, and many muslim fathers make their women and doughters to wear them, as well as many do it by themselves. It has become a way to "show your colors". To show not just religious believe but also a sign of political motivation. A worrying prospective.
The french government wants to keep the schools clean of political and religious conflicts.
Its anybodys own opinion to judge if that is right or wrong, so I don't want to convince you at all.
I personally think the law is righteous, but out of context and unessesary.
Also it's contraproductive, because it fuels the arguments of radical muslim elements.
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I also agree with [who]Them
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