<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+Sep 4 2004, 05:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Sep 4 2004, 05:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok... while magic, microwave guns, various birds, and clothing are a <i>great </i> ideas of what to use against jedis... the empire really doesn't have them on hand. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Who says they don't? They have faster-than-light travel. I'm sure they could buy/manufacture some microwave guns.
I suppose they could just give really big magnets to stormtroopers as standard issue. Then they could use them to pull the lightsabres out of the jedis' hands.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Sep 4 2004, 04:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Sep 4 2004, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+Sep 4 2004, 05:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Sep 4 2004, 05:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok... while magic, microwave guns, various birds, and clothing are a <i>great </i> ideas of what to use against jedis... the empire really doesn't have them on hand. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Who says they don't? They have faster-than-light travel. I'm sure they could buy/manufacture some microwave guns.
I suppose they could just give really big magnets to stormtroopers as standard issue. Then they could use them to pull the lightsabres out of the jedis' hands.
Force powers < magnetism. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes but did the empire use those weapons in any of the star wars movies you watched?
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The laser guns fire Heavy Light, which moves a lot slower than Regular Light.
I'm sure I used some sort of microwave gun in one of the JK games. Or maybe it was a disintegrater, now I think about it. Either way, get a bundle of those, since they can't be deflected. Most jedis can't use force quicksave/load, so they wouldn't be able to escape a sniper.
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Sep 5 2004, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Sep 5 2004, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So why don't they just shoot industrial-strength (normal light) laser cutters at the jedi? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Probably something to do with the Empire's "OMG more POWAR!!!! WE NO NEEDZ TEH SPEED! WE R ONLY NEED HARDHITTING LAZ0RS!" mentality.
In any case, microwave guns could work. I dunno....I suppose kids also work....after all, all jedis are softies for kids XD
Could be. For all I know the Empire might make chibi stormtroopers or something equally or more crazy XD
But then again the Empire only knows big, bad and painful. The only things they can use against the jedi are the Sith. And AFAIK, the Sith are usually the ones who keep getting pwnt by the jedi.
bleh... if you need some made-up excuse for why they use hard light it's because it 'impacts' and burns unlike a normal light laser which would cut through the hull with it's super-heatedness making it a bad choice. Or something. ^^;
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Sep 5 2004, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Sep 5 2004, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So why don't they just shoot industrial-strength (normal light) laser cutters at the jedi? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Heavy light is a lot easier to make. Also, you can have it whatever colour you want, which is a big hit with the troopers. (There's always one who chooses pink because it's "ironic".)
It wouldn't matter, anyway. Jedis probably don't see the laser coming at them, they see where the Trooper is aiming at when he pulls the trigger. Probably.
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The sith don't really get pwnt by the Jedi 1 vs 1. Darth Maul pwnt both Qui Gon and Obi Wan but he was a noob so he had to gloat. Tyranus pwnt Anakin and obi Wan (obi wan sucks, he technically loses all the lightsabre duels we've seen so far), and was holding his own against Yoda before he decided to leave (he was a wimp).
So yeah, the Sith are the best choice to go one on one with a Jedi. Plus, what you're all failing to realise is this: Even if 100000 stormies vs 1 jedi actually hit him, the Jedi wouldn't be killed. The stormtroopers commanding officer would have told them to set their blasters on stun so they could take the Jedi alive. Then the commanding officer would visit the Jedi in his cell to laugh at him. The jedi would eventually escape, get his lightsabre back (which is inevitably in the office next door to his cell, or in the possesstion of the officer, in which case the jedi uses conventional weapons until the last battle), and pwn some ****. Jedi are unstoppable, really.
Well, from watching the movies I have come to the conclusion that Jedi like to make long, pointless speeches, so what the Empire should do is rig a podium to blow as soon as the audience falls asleep, put it in the middle of some random battle where the Jedi will naturally stop to make evil eyes at his opponent, and BOOOM! no more Jedi <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-X_Stickman+Sep 5 2004, 12:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X_Stickman @ Sep 5 2004, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even if 100000 stormies vs 1 jedi actually hit him, the Jedi wouldn't be killed. The stormtroopers commanding officer would have told them to set their blasters on stun so they could take the Jedi alive. Then the commanding officer would visit the Jedi in his cell to laugh at him. The jedi would eventually escape, get his lightsabre back (which is inevitably in the office next door to his cell, or in the possesstion of the officer, in which case the jedi uses conventional weapons until the last battle), and pwn some ****. Jedi are unstoppable, really. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good point.
I guess you could keep the prison cells really, really dirty. Then the imprisioned Jedi might catch a nasty disease or something.
<!--QuoteBegin-Rhuckus+Sep 3 2004, 06:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rhuckus @ Sep 3 2004, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Stop the Jedi you must? Chance you have none!
can lightsabers penetrate shields? I would think that a strong unit shield matched to the specific characteristics of a lightsaber would be usable.
but the gas sprinkler sounds cool as hell. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This actually gives me the idea:
You need some really thick walls, and large tubes capable of handling lots of pressure. Trick the jedi into entering a building (just store something semi-important you're willing to risk being destroyed inside it). Then when the jedi comes to stop you/steal from you/do flips in your base you just need to:
-Put down giant, 10m thick steel walls to cover all his exits. -Flood this enclosed area with water (or acid...everyone loves acid.
Two things can happen: He steams himself to death trying to melt the door and turning the water into steam. He drowns after his breathr runs out...which it might last a long time, so maybe you just want to make the stuff liquid nitrogen instead; then it can crush him like a bug if he tries to evaporate it.
Lots of work, but when there's only a few Jedi around, it'll get rid of them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Of course, you gotta make sure these 10m thick steel walls just drop from gravity, none of thise "beeep...beeeep....beeeep, door is closing" stuff. If some stormtroopers get killed because they're not paying attention, then you weed out the bad ones (which is admitedly, around 99%).
If you look at it from a "historical" view, the empire actually do beat the crap out of the jedi in the end. They kill almost all of them in fact.
Really, it is true that the jedi are fairly unstoppable, not just because of their skills but the combining of these skills with natural, (and probably force enhanced) resourcefulness to be able to think their way out of almost any situation. The way to win s to play them at their own game, just like vader did. He combined the empire tactic of having superior numbers (more dark jedi, even a few) and taking on the jedi individually. Hunting them down is the way to go!
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special attention to: 25) No matter how well it would perform, I will never construct any sort of machinery which is completely indestructible except for one small and virtually inaccessible vulnerable spot.
27) I will never build only one of anything important. All important systems will have reduntant control panels and power supplies. For the same reason I will always carry at least two fully loaded weapons at all times.
52) I will hire a team of board-certified architects and surveyors to examine my castle and inform me of any secret passages and abandoned tunnels that I might not know about.
<b>56) My Legions of Terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice.</b>
75) I will instruct my Legions of Terror to attack the hero en masse, instead of standing around waiting while members break off and attack one or two at a time.
mainly #56, but the others are important also <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Dark Jedi. Ok, so its a cop out, but it works <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Otherwise either -
a) Lure your intended jedi into a trapped room of some description with nice thick doors and walls laced with cortosis and with a chamber above containing ysalamari which can drop into place to avoid them twigging to the trap early. Then use your favoured death dealing device, be it acid, poison gas, fire, drowning by water or most horribly, daytime television.
b) A jedi can only keep a sense of so many things at once. If you chuck lots of threats and distractions at a jedi from different angles they <i>will</i> go down.
Okay, we're assuming if he were in a pit of acid or fire or daytime television, there would be no way to get out.
But consider that you have to lure him there in the first place.. well that's not as easy.
If you were a commander in the empire and you knew for a fact that 3 jedis were trying to infiltrate your base to assasinate YOU... what would you do??
Resources you have: 1000 stormtroopers throughout your station Lock and seal door mechanisms. Laser turrets set up at every security check point. ONE dark jedi at your command.
Weaknesses: There are three entrances, not one into the base. There is a sky ceiling to your office at the high part of the base. You do not know when or where they will strike.
Projectile weapons could maybe help to bring down unexperienced Jedi, but older, more experienced ones (that also happen to be able to do telekinesis) can bring up a force shield around them that deflects the bullets (NJO 2, anyone?). Well, if you are Corran Horn, then you are ****.
The perfect trap against Jedi was mentioned in one book, Specter of the Past by Timothy Zahn, where Luke goes to infiltrate a base of pirates who happened to prepare for a rogue Jedi to come by. So, they set up this funny gadget:
They get the Jedi to go to a hallway with nothing but naked walls, then play around with the artificial gravity. Let the Jedi fall to the ceiling, to the sides, up and down, back and forth until he/she is dizzy. Then, you let steel rods come out of the walls from both sides, until the almost meet each other and trap the Jedi, so he can't move any more.
Same thing happens to his lightsabre, which is now trapped in a manner that you can move it up and down (with the force), but you can't swing it in order to cut the rods.
So, now you have that Jedi (in this case, in the book, that's Luke) trapped and immobilized. What now ? Poison gas won't work, as Jedi have the ability to clean their body from poisons (force, of course). Simple answer: Pump all the air out, make a vacuum. When there's no air, there's nothing a Jedi could breathe.
Yeah, this thing almost killed Luke, but because of the disguise that he used when he entered the hideout, he has some blaster energy magazines on him. They can be manipulated in a manner so they explode, so he bringes them close to his lightsabre, blows some rods to pieces and cuts them all down before the room is completely evacuated.
If you don't happen to carry a grenade or anything like it, well, you are ****, too.
easy way to kill a whole group of star wars do-gooders...
step 1: Lure jedi to base, probably by capturing a vip who's ship is filled with inept guards
step 2: send lots of troopers in directing them towards the vent for getting rid of rubbish. Someone will have the bright idea of going down there and they'll all jump in despite the fact they've won against much worse numbers in the past in a fight.
step 3: KILL THE ROBOTS, <b>ESPECIALLY THE LITTLE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE A BIN</b>!!!
step 4: win!!! ^^
Remember kids... while jedis can take out small armies they are no match for the power of a rubbish disposal crusher =3
<!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Sep 6 2004, 09:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Sep 6 2004, 09:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Okay, we're assuming if he were in a pit of acid or fire or daytime television, there would be no way to get out.
But consider that you have to lure him there in the first place.. well that's not as easy.
If you were a commander in the empire and you knew for a fact that 3 jedis were trying to infiltrate your base to assasinate YOU... what would you do??
Resources you have: 1000 stormtroopers throughout your station Lock and seal door mechanisms. Laser turrets set up at every security check point. ONE dark jedi at your command.
Weaknesses: There are three entrances, not one into the base. There is a sky ceiling to your office at the high part of the base. You do not know when or where they will strike.
What do you do? (Yes there is an answer to this.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Leave the base in the hands of your underofficer until the jedi attacks. Don't forget the ragdoll dressed up to look like you placed facing the wall in your quarters. Make it explode when its head is sliced off. Win <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Sep 6 2004, 10:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Sep 6 2004, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Sep 6 2004, 09:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Sep 6 2004, 09:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Okay, we're assuming if he were in a pit of acid or fire or daytime television, there would be no way to get out.
But consider that you have to lure him there in the first place.. well that's not as easy.
If you were a commander in the empire and you knew for a fact that 3 jedis were trying to infiltrate your base to assasinate YOU... what would you do??
Resources you have: 1000 stormtroopers throughout your station Lock and seal door mechanisms. Laser turrets set up at every security check point. ONE dark jedi at your command.
Weaknesses: There are three entrances, not one into the base. There is a sky ceiling to your office at the high part of the base. You do not know when or where they will strike.
What do you do? (Yes there is an answer to this.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Leave the base in the hands of your underofficer until the jedi attacks. Don't forget the ragdoll dressed up to look like you placed facing the wall in your quarters. Make it explode when its head is sliced off. Win <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Jedi senses through the force that it's not a real person. Throws his lightsabre at the dummy, exploding it. Conceals himself in your room. You come in to laugh at the jedi. Jedi pounces on you and pwns you good. Lewse.
<!--QuoteBegin-X_Stickman+Sep 6 2004, 07:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X_Stickman @ Sep 6 2004, 07:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Sep 6 2004, 10:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Sep 6 2004, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Sep 6 2004, 09:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Sep 6 2004, 09:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Okay, we're assuming if he were in a pit of acid or fire or daytime television, there would be no way to get out.
But consider that you have to lure him there in the first place.. well that's not as easy.
If you were a commander in the empire and you knew for a fact that 3 jedis were trying to infiltrate your base to assasinate YOU... what would you do??
Resources you have: 1000 stormtroopers throughout your station Lock and seal door mechanisms. Laser turrets set up at every security check point. ONE dark jedi at your command.
Weaknesses: There are three entrances, not one into the base. There is a sky ceiling to your office at the high part of the base. You do not know when or where they will strike.
What do you do? (Yes there is an answer to this.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Leave the base</b></span> in the hands of your underofficer until the jedi attacks. Don't forget the ragdoll dressed up to look like you placed facing the wall in your quarters. Make it explode when its head is sliced off. Win <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Jedi senses through the force that it's not a real person. Throws his lightsabre at the dummy, exploding it. Conceals himself in your room. You come in to laugh at the jedi. Jedi pounces on you and pwns you good. Lewse. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah....just leave. Get the hell outta there. Run, b****, run! At least you know YOU will survive......which is always the objective <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh come on, don't tell me a jedi will be able to detect that. If I was an evil overlord, I'd gladly trade 100 square miles of scorched terrain for one jedi.
no really they should just get more sith i mean look how easily Rosh turned pff work hard enough and ud probly get Jar Jar binks to the dark side if u wanted 2
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Who says they don't? They have faster-than-light travel. I'm sure they could buy/manufacture some microwave guns.
I suppose they could just give really big magnets to stormtroopers as standard issue. Then they could use them to pull the lightsabres out of the jedis' hands.
Force powers < magnetism.
Who says they don't? They have faster-than-light travel. I'm sure they could buy/manufacture some microwave guns.
I suppose they could just give really big magnets to stormtroopers as standard issue. Then they could use them to pull the lightsabres out of the jedis' hands.
Force powers < magnetism. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes but did the empire use those weapons in any of the star wars movies you watched?
Magnets? Cheap... discreat... effective... brilliant... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm sure I used some sort of microwave gun in one of the JK games. Or maybe it was a disintegrater, now I think about it. Either way, get a bundle of those, since they can't be deflected. Most jedis can't use force quicksave/load, so they wouldn't be able to escape a sniper.
Probably something to do with the Empire's "OMG more POWAR!!!! WE NO NEEDZ TEH SPEED! WE R ONLY NEED HARDHITTING LAZ0RS!" mentality.
In any case, microwave guns could work. I dunno....I suppose kids also work....after all, all jedis are softies for kids XD
do these kids you speak of explode on contact?
But then again the Empire only knows big, bad and painful. The only things they can use against the jedi are the Sith. And AFAIK, the Sith are usually the ones who keep getting pwnt by the jedi.
Heavy light is a lot easier to make. Also, you can have it whatever colour you want, which is a big hit with the troopers. (There's always one who chooses pink because it's "ironic".)
It wouldn't matter, anyway. Jedis probably don't see the laser coming at them, they see where the Trooper is aiming at when he pulls the trigger. Probably.
Luke. Use the magnets, Luke.
So yeah, the Sith are the best choice to go one on one with a Jedi. Plus, what you're all failing to realise is this:
Even if 100000 stormies vs 1 jedi actually hit him, the Jedi wouldn't be killed. The stormtroopers commanding officer would have told them to set their blasters on stun so they could take the Jedi alive. Then the commanding officer would visit the Jedi in his cell to laugh at him. The jedi would eventually escape, get his lightsabre back (which is inevitably in the office next door to his cell, or in the possesstion of the officer, in which case the jedi uses conventional weapons until the last battle), and pwn some ****. Jedi are unstoppable, really.
Good point.
I guess you could keep the prison cells really, really dirty. Then the imprisioned Jedi might catch a nasty disease or something.
Chance you have none!
can lightsabers penetrate shields?
I would think that a strong unit shield matched to the specific characteristics of a lightsaber would be usable.
but the gas sprinkler sounds cool as hell. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This actually gives me the idea:
You need some really thick walls, and large tubes capable of handling lots of pressure. Trick the jedi into entering a building (just store something semi-important you're willing to risk being destroyed inside it). Then when the jedi comes to stop you/steal from you/do flips in your base you just need to:
-Put down giant, 10m thick steel walls to cover all his exits.
-Flood this enclosed area with water (or acid...everyone loves acid.
Two things can happen:
He steams himself to death trying to melt the door and turning the water into steam.
He drowns after his breathr runs out...which it might last a long time, so maybe you just want to make the stuff liquid nitrogen instead; then it can crush him like a bug if he tries to evaporate it.
Lots of work, but when there's only a few Jedi around, it'll get rid of them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Of course, you gotta make sure these 10m thick steel walls just drop from gravity, none of thise "beeep...beeeep....beeeep, door is closing" stuff. If some stormtroopers get killed because they're not paying attention, then you weed out the bad ones (which is admitedly, around 99%).
If you look at it from a "historical" view, the empire actually do beat the crap out of the jedi in the end. They kill almost all of them in fact.
Really, it is true that the jedi are fairly unstoppable, not just because of their skills but the combining of these skills with natural, (and probably force enhanced) resourcefulness to be able to think their way out of almost any situation. The way to win s to play them at their own game, just like vader did. He combined the empire tactic of having superior numbers (more dark jedi, even a few) and taking on the jedi individually. Hunting them down is the way to go!
special attention to:
25) No matter how well it would perform, I will never construct any sort of machinery which is completely indestructible except for one small and virtually inaccessible vulnerable spot.
27) I will never build only one of anything important. All important systems will have reduntant control panels and power supplies. For the same reason I will always carry at least two fully loaded weapons at all times.
52) I will hire a team of board-certified architects and surveyors to examine my castle and inform me of any secret passages and abandoned tunnels that I might not know about.
<b>56) My Legions of Terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice.</b>
75) I will instruct my Legions of Terror to attack the hero en masse, instead of standing around waiting while members break off and attack one or two at a time.
mainly #56, but the others are important also <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Otherwise either -
a) Lure your intended jedi into a trapped room of some description with nice thick doors and walls laced with cortosis and with a chamber above containing ysalamari which can drop into place to avoid them twigging to the trap early. Then use your favoured death dealing device, be it acid, poison gas, fire, drowning by water or most horribly, daytime television.
b) A jedi can only keep a sense of so many things at once. If you chuck lots of threats and distractions at a jedi from different angles they <i>will</i> go down.
But consider that you have to lure him there in the first place.. well that's not as easy.
If you were a commander in the empire and you knew for a fact that 3 jedis were trying to infiltrate your base to assasinate YOU... what would you do??
Resources you have:
1000 stormtroopers throughout your station
Lock and seal door mechanisms.
Laser turrets set up at every security check point.
ONE dark jedi at your command.
Weaknesses:
There are three entrances, not one into the base.
There is a sky ceiling to your office at the high part of the base.
You do not know when or where they will strike.
What do you do? (Yes there is an answer to this.)
The perfect trap against Jedi was mentioned in one book, Specter of the Past by Timothy Zahn, where Luke goes to infiltrate a base of pirates who happened to prepare for a rogue Jedi to come by. So, they set up this funny gadget:
They get the Jedi to go to a hallway with nothing but naked walls, then play around with the artificial gravity. Let the Jedi fall to the ceiling, to the sides, up and down, back and forth until he/she is dizzy.
Then, you let steel rods come out of the walls from both sides, until the almost meet each other and trap the Jedi, so he can't move any more.
Same thing happens to his lightsabre, which is now trapped in a manner that you can move it up and down (with the force), but you can't swing it in order to cut the rods.
So, now you have that Jedi (in this case, in the book, that's Luke) trapped and immobilized. What now ? Poison gas won't work, as Jedi have the ability to clean their body from poisons (force, of course). Simple answer:
Pump all the air out, make a vacuum. When there's no air, there's nothing a Jedi could breathe.
Yeah, this thing almost killed Luke, but because of the disguise that he used when he entered the hideout, he has some blaster energy magazines on him. They can be manipulated in a manner so they explode, so he bringes them close to his lightsabre, blows some rods to pieces and cuts them all down before the room is completely evacuated.
If you don't happen to carry a grenade or anything like it, well, you are ****, too.
step 1: Lure jedi to base, probably by capturing a vip who's ship is filled with inept guards
step 2: send lots of troopers in directing them towards the vent for getting rid of rubbish. Someone will have the bright idea of going down there and they'll all jump in despite the fact they've won against much worse numbers in the past in a fight.
step 3: KILL THE ROBOTS, <b>ESPECIALLY THE LITTLE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE A BIN</b>!!!
step 4: win!!! ^^
Remember kids... while jedis can take out small armies they are no match for the power of a rubbish disposal crusher =3
But consider that you have to lure him there in the first place.. well that's not as easy.
If you were a commander in the empire and you knew for a fact that 3 jedis were trying to infiltrate your base to assasinate YOU... what would you do??
Resources you have:
1000 stormtroopers throughout your station
Lock and seal door mechanisms.
Laser turrets set up at every security check point.
ONE dark jedi at your command.
Weaknesses:
There are three entrances, not one into the base.
There is a sky ceiling to your office at the high part of the base.
You do not know when or where they will strike.
What do you do? (Yes there is an answer to this.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Leave the base in the hands of your underofficer until the jedi attacks. Don't forget the ragdoll dressed up to look like you placed facing the wall in your quarters. Make it explode when its head is sliced off. Win <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But consider that you have to lure him there in the first place.. well that's not as easy.
If you were a commander in the empire and you knew for a fact that 3 jedis were trying to infiltrate your base to assasinate YOU... what would you do??
Resources you have:
1000 stormtroopers throughout your station
Lock and seal door mechanisms.
Laser turrets set up at every security check point.
ONE dark jedi at your command.
Weaknesses:
There are three entrances, not one into the base.
There is a sky ceiling to your office at the high part of the base.
You do not know when or where they will strike.
What do you do? (Yes there is an answer to this.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Leave the base in the hands of your underofficer until the jedi attacks. Don't forget the ragdoll dressed up to look like you placed facing the wall in your quarters. Make it explode when its head is sliced off. Win <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jedi senses through the force that it's not a real person. Throws his lightsabre at the dummy, exploding it. Conceals himself in your room. You come in to laugh at the jedi. Jedi pounces on you and pwns you good. Lewse.
But consider that you have to lure him there in the first place.. well that's not as easy.
If you were a commander in the empire and you knew for a fact that 3 jedis were trying to infiltrate your base to assasinate YOU... what would you do??
Resources you have:
1000 stormtroopers throughout your station
Lock and seal door mechanisms.
Laser turrets set up at every security check point.
ONE dark jedi at your command.
Weaknesses:
There are three entrances, not one into the base.
There is a sky ceiling to your office at the high part of the base.
You do not know when or where they will strike.
What do you do? (Yes there is an answer to this.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Leave the base</b></span> in the hands of your underofficer until the jedi attacks. Don't forget the ragdoll dressed up to look like you placed facing the wall in your quarters. Make it explode when its head is sliced off. Win <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jedi senses through the force that it's not a real person. Throws his lightsabre at the dummy, exploding it. Conceals himself in your room. You come in to laugh at the jedi. Jedi pounces on you and pwns you good. Lewse. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah....just leave. Get the hell outta there. Run, b****, run! At least you know YOU will survive......which is always the objective <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh come on, don't tell me a jedi will be able to detect that. If I was an evil overlord, I'd gladly trade 100 square miles of scorched terrain for one jedi.
no wait TEH DEATH STAR !
no really they should just get more sith i mean look how easily Rosh turned pff work hard enough and ud probly get Jar Jar binks to the dark side if u wanted 2