Aliens!
TheDestroyer
Tooobah Join Date: 2003-07-12 Member: 18123Members, Constellation
Tooobah Join Date: 2003-07-12 Member: 18123Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">Signal Found</div> <a href='http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=6133976&src=eDialog/GetContent§ion=news' target='_blank'>http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...nt§ion=news</a>
Apparently, a signal has been detected 3-4 times from the same location. Hmmm...
Wheres Mulder and Scully when you need them! Gah!!!
Apparently, a signal has been detected 3-4 times from the same location. Hmmm...
Wheres Mulder and Scully when you need them! Gah!!!
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I can take off the tin-foil helmet then?
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NOOO
Don't forget about the martians. Thats just what they want you to do.
Maybe they use some ultra sounds for communicating, something that we dont hear or telepacy? Or something else? Like whales doesn't see the world, they only see the waves of the sound as 3D. And that is the one reason why they are sometimes lost on the shores, they simply don't see the shore, they see the sound.
Maybe there are lifeforms who do not own physical body, simple electrical impulses or some energy.
Well, but i still believe in little gray men as Zetas with those silver flying discs.
The black side of the Moon is an interesting place and there were something on the Moon on an Apollo Mission..
And why to seek life from far far away from outer space, maybe it is here. Most of the astronauts, maybe all of them, have seen flying discs. I had some videos tooken from space and there were two flying discs and something triet to shoot it. maybe some kind of US or some other countries military... I don't know.
It is not the lack of the evidence but there are simply people who just don't want to believe. yes 90% of UFO sightings are fakes or some misunderstandings... But there still are those 10%.
I just red that scientists may have discovered Earth-like planet somewhere. If there may be life, is another question. Maybe we should look other kinds of planets? We simply don't know and so all versions may be true.
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lol.
Whale: "Whoops Ive beached myself. crap..."
Other Whale: HAHA!
First Whale: "Shut up! I blame the ultra sonic lag..."
Something thats clearly artifical in origin, as opposed to the random static produced by stars, pulsars, black holes, quasars etc. The most expected way for other alien races to communicate, if they existed, would be via a repeating mathmatical sequance like prime numbers etc, things like mathmatical laws that don't change, no matter what language you speak.
edit: For clarification "us" is SETI.
WE NEED SHIRTGUNS! LORFT!
Maybe they use some ultra sounds for communicating, something that we dont hear or telepacy? Or something else? Like whales doesn't see the world, they only see the waves of the sound as 3D. And that is the one reason why they are sometimes lost on the shores, they simply don't see the shore, they see the sound.
Maybe there are lifeforms who do not own physical body, simple electrical impulses or some energy.
Well, but i still believe in little gray men as Zetas with those silver flying discs.
The black side of the Moon is an interesting place and there were something on the Moon on an Apollo Mission..
And why to seek life from far far away from outer space, maybe it is here. Most of the astronauts, maybe all of them, have seen flying discs. I had some videos tooken from space and there were two flying discs and something triet to shoot it. maybe some kind of US or some other countries military... I don't know.
It is not the lack of the evidence but there are simply people who just don't want to believe. yes 90% of UFO sightings are fakes or some misunderstandings... But there still are those 10%.
I just red that scientists may have discovered Earth-like planet somewhere. If there may be life, is another question. Maybe we should look other kinds of planets? We simply don't know and so all versions may be true. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They look for artificial electromagnetic waves (and other things...but being as there's little matter in space, electromagnetism is the most viable). If you see a graph of information streaming from a star or pulsar you can tell it's a pulsar. If someone sends a radio signal (or say the aliens skip the radio and transmit sound with x-rays instead) then it will have different amplitudes and frequencies depending on what's sent on it.
Personally, I don't think prime numbers would be that effective, because there's no way we could tell which base system the aliens would be using. They could have a base 30 system for all we know <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
<!--QuoteBegin-SETI statement+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SETI statement)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
We, the institutions and individuals participating in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence,
Recognizing that the search for extraterrestrial intelligence is an integral part of space exploration and is being undertaken for peaceful purposes and for the common interest of all mankind,
Inspired by the profound significance for mankind of detecting evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence, even though the probability of detection may be low,
Recalling the Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies, which commits States Parties to that Treaty "to inform the Secretary General of the United Nations as well as the public and the international scientific community, to the greatest extent feasible and practicable, of the nature, conduct, locations and results" of their space exploration activities (Article XI),
Recognizing that any initial detection may be incomplete or ambiguous and thus require careful examination as well as confirmation, and that it is essential to maintain the highest standards of scientific responsibility and credibility,
Agree to observe the following principles for disseminating information about the detection of extraterrestrial intelligence:
Any individual, public or private research institution, or governmental agency that believes it has detected a signal from or other evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence (the discoverer) should seek to verify that the most plausible explanation for the evidence is the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence rather than some other natural phenomenon or anthropogenic phenomenon before making any public announcement. If the evidence cannot be confirmed as indicating the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence, the discoverer may disseminate the information as appropriate to the discovery of any unknown phenomenon.
Prior to making a public announcement that evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence has been detected, the discoverer should promptly inform all other observers or research organizations that are parties to this declaration, so that those other parties may seek to confirm the discovery by independent observations at other sites and so that a network can be established to enable continuous monitoring of the signal or phenomenon. Parties to this declaration should not make any public announcement of this information until it is determined whether this information is or is not credible evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence. The discoverer should inform his/her or its relevant national authorities.
After concluding that the discovery appears to be credible evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence, and after informing other parties to this declaration, the discoverer should inform observers throughout the world through the Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams of the International Astronomical Union, and should inform the Secretary General of the United Nations in accordance with Article XI of the Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Bodies. Because of their demonstrated interest in and expertise concerning the question of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence, the discoverer should simultaneously inform the following international institutions of the discovery and should provide them with all pertinent data and recorded information concerning the evidence: the International Telecommunication Union, the Committee on Space Research, of the International Council of Scientific Unions, the International Astronautical Federation, the International Academy of Astronautics, the International Institute of Space Law, Commission 51 of the International Astronomical Union and Commission J of the International Radio Science Union.
A confirmed detection of extraterrestrial intelligence should be disseminated promptly, openly, and widely through scientific channels and public media, observing the procedures in this declaration. The discoverer should have the privilege of making the first public announcement.
All data necessary for confirmation of detection should be made available to the international scientific community through publications, meetings, conferences, and other appropriate means.
The discovery should be confirmed and monitored and any data bearing on the evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence should be recorded and stored permanently to the greatest extent feasible and practicable, in a form that will make it available for further analysis and interpretation. These recordings should be made available to the international institutions listed above and to members of the scientific community for further objective analysis and interpretation.
If the evidence of detection is in the form of electromagnetic signals, the parties to this declaration should seek international agreement to protect the appropriate frequencies by exercising procedures available through the International Telecommunication Union. Immediate notice should be sent to the Secretary General of the ITU in Geneva, who may include a request to minimize transmissions on the relevant frequencies in the Weekly Circular. The Secretariat, in conjunction with advice of the Union's Administrative Council, should explore the feasibility and utility of convening an Extraordinary Administrative Radio Conference to deal with the matter, subject to the opinions of the member Administrations of the ITU.
No response to a signal or other evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence should be sent until appropriate international consultations have taken place. The procedures for such consultations will be the subject of a separate agreement, declaration or arrangement.
The SETI Committee of the International Academy of Astronautics, in coordination with Commission 51 of the International Astronomical Union, will conduct a continuing review of procedures for the detection of extraterrestrial intelligence and the subsequent handling of the data. Should credible evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence be discovered, an international committee of scientists and other experts should be established to serve as a focal point for continuing analysis of all observational evidence collected in the aftermath of the discovery, and also to provide advice on the release of information to the public. This committee should be constituted from representatives of each of the international institutions listed above and such other members as the committee may deem necessary. To facilitate the convocation of such a committee at some unknown time in the future, the SETI Committee of the International Academy of Astronautics should initiate and maintain a current list of willing representatives from each of the international institutions listed above, as well as other individuals with relevant skills, and should make that list continuously available through the Secretariat of the International Academy of Astronautics. The International Academy of Astronautics will act as the Depository for this declaration and will annually provide a current list of parties to all the parties to this declaration. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
[heh, notice that the first 4 or so 'paragraphs' are all one long sentence.]
We wont know how they're transmiting it though. They could be saying "Bwokkworok!!!" and we might think it's " 1, 3, 7, 11..." They could be all hostile and we'll think they're trying to communicate peacibly (okay, it's a weird example, being that aliens would probably not be hostile, but we would probably have no adequate comprehension of them).
...It's just an example of how looking for a signal to interpret from space is flawed (although, reieving any non-natural signal at all would be enough to warrant the cost of SETI...even if we don't understand the aliens).
Besides, it would take years for us to communicate with them. Imagine if you wanted to learn latin (with no prior knowledge), but if you want to look in your text book or ask the teacher a question it takes 8 years to get a response.
Of course, it could be a weird coincidence in the universe and they may speak English and have evolved a similar thought process to us...so then it'd be easy to learn about eachother <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
I think it's a futile endeavor until we can discover a way to transmit information faster than light (and at the moment that seems physically improbable).
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*me yells at UltimaGecko for making a quote that long and then not even talking about it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<span style='color:orange'>UltimaGecko cowers in fear.</span>
[It's just explaining how a SETI report should be filed (like their mission statement). So there really should be no news until it's been confirmed by numerous observation stations.]
"OMGZ WTH H4X! WE DISC0VERZ3RZ3D TEH ALIANZ!!! W00T!"
And then it turned out to be a rotating cinder of an exploded star.
And then there was the time where they discovered a signal and it turned out to be a soviet spy sattelite.
Wait for concrete evidence. Dont believe reporters. They tend to exaggerate(z0r) a lot.
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get the gist?
Just wait... one day we're gonna hear "N'est pas d'infection ici" from space <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Remember the "WOW" signal, if it was true alien signal or not, some people doesn't even know about it abd they simply don't care. Most people say it was just something else and they would probably say the same to the new "WOW" like signal...
Besides, i believe that the alien life is pretty close to us.
On another note, wouldn't it take hundreds/thousands/millions of years to receive a signal from another world so even if we *do* get one, there's quite a significant chance that the race is now extinct?
"OMGZ WTH H4X! WE DISC0VERZ3RZ3D TEH ALIANZ!!! W00T!"
And then it turned out to be a rotating cinder of an exploded star.
And then there was the time where they discovered a signal and it turned out to be a soviet spy sattelite.
Wait for concrete evidence. Dont believe reporters. They tend to exaggerate(z0r) a lot. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I doubt we've found aliens, but maybe we've found something else interesting instead, that we didn't know existed. Nothing wrong with learning something about the universe, even if it wasn't what you were trying to learn.
Actually, if theres life at our closest stars, and they've heard us, we would of had a reply by now (assuming they want to of course) or be expecting one this century. Radio waves have been being transmitted for 60-70 years now.
Well, if there is life, its probably at least a hundred or so light-years away, otherwise we would have heard them by now.
So, almost positively no intelligent life in the Alpha Centauri or Barnard's Star systems.
That would be Europa, and there not completely sure that there is liquid water below the surface.