<!--QuoteBegin-Kwil+Oct 3 2004, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kwil @ Oct 3 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Oct 3 2004, 12:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Oct 3 2004, 12:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Kwil+Oct 3 2004, 01:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kwil @ Oct 3 2004, 01:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Buggy+Oct 2 2004, 03:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Buggy @ Oct 2 2004, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Isn't it nice that the people who want to "level the playing field" by having bs_1 actually completely disable some people from properly playing the game, due to poor equipment. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're absolutely right. They should stop the Mwheel from being bound to jump as well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes. Because block<i>scripts</i> should block <i>binds</i>. Makes so much sense when you think about it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, they were the ones complaining about mwheel being unfair. Block that, and all the unfairness is gone -- everybody has to rely on actual skill to bhop, not the ability to alter config files (which can't be done by some, such as those in internet cafes) or the quality of their mouse.
Coris: Cyring about bhop? Point out where I said to get rid of it in this thread. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There are 100 different ways to spam jump commands.
here's 3: macro. 5 bottums bound to jump. new keyboards with in built "spam" coammands.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Isn't it nice that the people who want to "level the playing field" by having bs_1 actually completely disable some people from properly playing the game, due to poor equipment.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have an underclocked GeForce 2 mx (Dell) and to play as "smoothly" as possible, I choke my FPS down to 20. And guess what? Your 3jump script doesn't work with low fps, neither does bunnyhopping with the mousewheel.
<!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Oct 3 2004, 02:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Oct 3 2004, 02:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyone interested enough in the game will be able to use a 3jump script. It is mentioned in about every bunnyhopping tutorial, and there are many of them. You can ask for a jump script on these forums and people will give it to you. If you see someone bunnyhopping ingame you can just ask him and you'll usually get an answer.
Not everyone can have a good mouse with a fancy mousewheel.
<a href='http://www.othell.com/bhop' target='_blank'>http://www.othell.com/bhop</a><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Perhaps you should actually read what I posted before trying to reply, obuh.
First, you didn't address my point that, no, not everybody <i>can</i> use a script. Internet Cafe's, for instance, often don't allow people to make any modifications to the file system (such as custom config files). Your answer for them is?
Second, you also didn't address my point that you shouldn't have to go outside the game in order to be able to play it fully. My reason for that is simple -- not everybody speaks english. Some undoubtedly will speak a language for which there is no Bhopping tutorial. Your answer for them is?
Basically, you totally ignored both major points in my post for the lame assumption that "Oh well I could do this, so therefore anybody could."
Coris: Agreed. That would at least address the first point and I think be a step in the right direction. I wish I knew a way to address the second one that the bhoppers might accept as legitimate. (Best idea I've seen so far in this direction is a thread from Zek: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81532' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=81532</a> )
<!--QuoteBegin-Rapier7+Oct 3 2004, 03:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rapier7 @ Oct 3 2004, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Goddamn. Get over your elitist selves.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Isn't it nice that the people who want to "level the playing field" by having bs_1 actually completely disable some people from properly playing the game, due to poor equipment.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have an underclocked GeForce 2 mx (Dell) and to play as "smoothly" as possible, I choke my FPS down to 20. And guess what? Your 3jump script doesn't work with low fps, neither does bunnyhopping with the mousewheel. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So, your pc sucks. That's way besides the topic. I meant, some people cannot bunnyhop on bs_1 servers because they have a crapzor mousewheel, while others can, something the devs team have control over.
Whoever made up this thing about the HL scripting language being something out-of-game? It certainly isn't part of windows, or any other OS. The only reason you'd want to use a text editor (the only part of the process not supplied by valve) is to SAVE your custom configurations - you can do them straight into the ingame console though, you'll just have to redo it each time you restart HL.
And also kwils conception of what a 3jump does seems a bit off. If you're bunnyhopping backwards, its not going to make you go forwards magictasticly. Its not going to change anything about the way you move, other than being the equivalent of rolling the mwheel 3 notches with one button press.
<!--QuoteBegin-That's [Enough]+Oct 2 2004, 10:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That's [Enough] @ Oct 2 2004, 10:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> However, being this mouse has a button RIGHT below the scroll wheel, that, when held down, effectively sends the PC a "scroll down" command over and over until let go, there's my bunny hop.
No scripts, just mouse cheatzors <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Best mouse feature ever, worst flamebait ever.
I personally don't care, but you might want to delete that before some idiot comes in here and makes a big stink about how Flayra should go to every single player's house and make sure they're playing the game with like 5 year old mouses with like one button.
Seriously, Im getting sick of these discussions. Can a dev please give us information about what they are going to do about bunnyhoping in the next patch?
Please, put in a quakestylejumping feature, 3jumpscript or autohop so people can stop discussing this. ALSO add an explanation in the tutorial/readme/guide/Whatever. Thank you.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Goddamn. Get over your elitist selves.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Mr.Ben+Oct 4 2004, 10:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr.Ben @ Oct 4 2004, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Goddamn. Get over your elitist selves.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The irony of it pleases me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly, because ive never seen rapier7 say "OLOL I R GOODAST COMMANDOR LOLLERSKATZ B<". Or at least almost.
yes because dev statements mean so much to people who worship the god of vanilla cfg.
what we need is a thing that asks 3 or 4 questions regarding how scripts work in the b6 installer. fail more than one and you'll find yourself reading a well-layed out, simple-as-possible script tutorial with lots of helpful pictures. and gorges, because no one connects gorges with evil.
and you cant play the game before you get the answers right.
I like tomekki's post the best. Hee hee. God of Vanilla.cfg + And they don't get to play till they get the answers right. 5 star post sir, simple and chuckle-inducing. *****
Autojump will f1x everything devs! We demand action! :l
I need to figure out macros on my mouse and quasi-pistolhax on FATs and Voogru. That'll be my next project. Mouse macros. Eyup. I'll change from ScriptBot to something like, uh, Capn' MacroMan, except funnier and more creative.. SHUT
If the devs were going to stop bunnyhopping for aliens they would have done by now.
Besides, the competitive play community of NS would not allow bunnyhopping to be taken out.
Either learn how to do it, or go slower than people who can do it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
This has been discussed to death and we know that bhop is here to stay, I just want to know if the devs will add something that makes it easier for noobs to learn, and that wont require a script/mousewheel (qukestyle jumping, builtint script or autojump.)
<!--QuoteBegin-coris+Oct 5 2004, 07:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Oct 5 2004, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This has been discussed to death and we know that bhop is here to stay, I just want to know if the devs will add something that makes it easier for noobs to learn, and that wont require a script/mousewheel (qukestyle jumping, builtint script or autojump.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That would be a very good idea.
<!--QuoteBegin-la grande parche+Oct 5 2004, 08:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (la grande parche @ Oct 5 2004, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> NO! i learn it the hard way and im not a superhero -_- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Show me a demo of you bunnyhoping withouth a script / mousewheel at 493 units / second as a skulk, and then I will belive its possible.
<!--QuoteBegin-Diablo_fx+Oct 5 2004, 01:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo_fx @ Oct 5 2004, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coris+Oct 5 2004, 07:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Oct 5 2004, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just want to know if the devs will add something that makes it easier for noobs to learn, and that wont require a script/mousewheel (qukestyle jumping, builtint script or autojump.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> did i say without mousewhell?? no im again the make it easier
<!--QuoteBegin-la grande parche+Oct 6 2004, 01:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (la grande parche @ Oct 6 2004, 01:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Diablo_fx+Oct 5 2004, 01:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo_fx @ Oct 5 2004, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coris+Oct 5 2004, 07:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Oct 5 2004, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just want to know if the devs will add something that makes it easier for noobs to learn, and that wont require a script/mousewheel (qukestyle jumping, builtint script or autojump.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> did i say without mousewhell?? no im again the make it easier <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Why? I can do it with the mousewheel fairly well and a script, but you have to realize that making it easier to learn stuff in NS will make it easier for the game to grow, since the learningcurve wont be as steep.
Sorry Coris, I tried monkeying with the mouse settings and couldn't make the MX510 do anything special like repeating a keystroke. I wish it could work like that. I'm inept at this sort of thing though, and I bet someone out there has a tutorial waiting for macroing out your mouse. It will then be locked/teleported away/censo*** from the public within the first five minutes of its posting. Then I'll make light of it in my sig.
Seriously I want to get this mouse and keyboard macro thing worked out. It can't be that hard.
Sorry Coris, I tried monkeying with the mouse settings and couldn't make the MX510 do anything special like repeating a keystroke. I wish it could work like that. I'm inept at this sort of thing though, and I bet someone out there has a tutorial waiting for macroing out your mouse. It will then be locked/teleported away/censo*** from the public within the first five minutes of its posting. Then I'll make light of it in my sig.
Seriously I want to get this mouse and keyboard macro thing worked out. It can't be that hard. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Your sig scripts wouldn't work! >:(
Also: I know there are macro recorders and editors for keyboard/mice which can do all sorts of stuff but I can't be bothered trying to figure them out.
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You're absolutely right. They should stop the Mwheel from being bound to jump as well. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes. Because block<i>scripts</i> should block <i>binds</i>. Makes so much sense when you think about it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, they were the ones complaining about mwheel being unfair. Block that, and all the unfairness is gone -- everybody has to rely on actual skill to bhop, not the ability to alter config files (which can't be done by some, such as those in internet cafes) or the quality of their mouse.
Coris: Cyring about bhop? Point out where I said to get rid of it in this thread. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are 100 different ways to spam jump commands.
here's 3:
macro.
5 bottums bound to jump.
new keyboards with in built "spam" coammands.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Isn't it nice that the people who want to "level the playing field" by having bs_1 actually completely disable some people from properly playing the game, due to poor equipment.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have an underclocked GeForce 2 mx (Dell) and to play as "smoothly" as possible, I choke my FPS down to 20. And guess what? Your 3jump script doesn't work with low fps, neither does bunnyhopping with the mousewheel.
Not everyone can have a good mouse with a fancy mousewheel.
<a href='http://www.othell.com/bhop' target='_blank'>http://www.othell.com/bhop</a><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps you should actually read what I posted before trying to reply, obuh.
First, you didn't address my point that, no, not everybody <i>can</i> use a script. Internet Cafe's, for instance, often don't allow people to make any modifications to the file system (such as custom config files). Your answer for them is?
Second, you also didn't address my point that you shouldn't have to go outside the game in order to be able to play it fully. My reason for that is simple -- not everybody speaks english. Some undoubtedly will speak a language for which there is no Bhopping tutorial. Your answer for them is?
Basically, you totally ignored both major points in my post for the lame assumption that "Oh well I could do this, so therefore anybody could."
Coris: Agreed. That would at least address the first point and I think be a step in the right direction. I wish I knew a way to address the second one that the bhoppers might accept as legitimate. (Best idea I've seen so far in this direction is a thread from Zek: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81532' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=81532</a> )
besides you can use a 3jump w/o modifying the cfg file.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Isn't it nice that the people who want to "level the playing field" by having bs_1 actually completely disable some people from properly playing the game, due to poor equipment.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have an underclocked GeForce 2 mx (Dell) and to play as "smoothly" as possible, I choke my FPS down to 20. And guess what? Your 3jump script doesn't work with low fps, neither does bunnyhopping with the mousewheel. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, your pc sucks. That's way besides the topic. I meant, some people cannot bunnyhop on bs_1 servers because they have a crapzor mousewheel, while others can, something the devs team have control over.
Or do you want them to send you a nice pc?
And also kwils conception of what a 3jump does seems a bit off. If you're bunnyhopping backwards, its not going to make you go forwards magictasticly. Its not going to change anything about the way you move, other than being the equivalent of rolling the mwheel 3 notches with one button press.
No scripts, just mouse cheatzors <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Best mouse feature ever, worst flamebait ever.
I personally don't care, but you might want to delete that before some idiot comes in here and makes a big stink about how Flayra should go to every single player's house and make sure they're playing the game with like 5 year old mouses with like one button.
Please, put in a quakestylejumping feature, 3jumpscript or autohop so people can stop discussing this. ALSO add an explanation in the tutorial/readme/guide/Whatever. Thank you.
The irony of it pleases me.
The irony of it pleases me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly, because ive never seen rapier7 say "OLOL I R GOODAST COMMANDOR LOLLERSKATZ B<". Or at least almost.
what we need is a thing that asks 3 or 4 questions regarding how scripts work in the b6 installer. fail more than one and you'll find yourself reading a well-layed out, simple-as-possible script tutorial with lots of helpful pictures. and gorges, because no one connects gorges with evil.
and you cant play the game before you get the answers right.
Autojump will f1x everything devs! We demand action! :l
I need to figure out macros on my mouse and quasi-pistolhax on FATs and Voogru. That'll be my next project. Mouse macros. Eyup. I'll change from ScriptBot to something like, uh, Capn' MacroMan, except funnier and more creative.. SHUT
PS MX510R > MX510B 4 EVA
Besides, the competitive play community of NS would not allow bunnyhopping to be taken out.
Either learn how to do it, or go slower than people who can do it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1739&hl=bunny+hopping&view=findpost&p=21730' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...indpost&p=21730</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=81373&hl=bunnyhopping&view=findpost&p=1252682' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...dpost&p=1252682</a>
That would be a very good idea.
i learn it the hard way and im not a superhero -_-
i learn it the hard way and im not a superhero -_- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Show me a demo of you bunnyhoping withouth a script / mousewheel at 493 units / second as a skulk, and then I will belive its possible.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
did i say without mousewhell?? no im again the make it easier
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
did i say without mousewhell?? no im again the make it easier <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why?
I can do it with the mousewheel fairly well and a script, but you have to realize that making it easier to learn stuff in NS will make it easier for the game to grow, since the learningcurve wont be as steep.
Sorry Coris, I tried monkeying with the mouse settings and couldn't make the MX510 do anything special like repeating a keystroke. I wish it could work like that. I'm inept at this sort of thing though, and I bet someone out there has a tutorial waiting for macroing out your mouse. It will then be locked/teleported away/censo*** from the public within the first five minutes of its posting. Then I'll make light of it in my sig.
Seriously I want to get this mouse and keyboard macro thing worked out. It can't be that hard.
Sorry Coris, I tried monkeying with the mouse settings and couldn't make the MX510 do anything special like repeating a keystroke. I wish it could work like that. I'm inept at this sort of thing though, and I bet someone out there has a tutorial waiting for macroing out your mouse. It will then be locked/teleported away/censo*** from the public within the first five minutes of its posting. Then I'll make light of it in my sig.
Seriously I want to get this mouse and keyboard macro thing worked out. It can't be that hard. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your sig scripts wouldn't work! >:(
Also: I know there are macro recorders and editors for keyboard/mice which can do all sorts of stuff but I can't be bothered trying to figure them out.