Any Hip-hop Heads?

CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Help me, I'm going to puke!</div> Ok, I've been talking to people about hip-hop recently, and everyone I've talked to has no clue what it is. They like this new Krunk crap like Lil John and his YEEEEAAAA OOOOOOK WHAAAAAT!!!

It annoys me and sort of makes me sick... I remember when hip-hop was liked because of the lyrics, not because it had a deep bassline and repeated a crappy chorus for the entire the length of the song.

I just want to know if there is anyone here or anywhere for that matter that feels the same way that I do? I dunno, I guess songs should be about somthing meaningfull rather than parties and drugs/alcohol, or at least if that's what they are about that the artist use more than 12 words in the song...

I was just talking to some dumb*** in IRC, so yea, that's why I made this topic...

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  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    I wouldn't even be able to define hip hop for you....

    But i get annoyed when people start raving about something yet they have no clue what they're actually raving about, when you get right down to it. Like people who say they're "hardcore fans" but only actually know about 2 songs of a band. Stuff like that.
  • BobTheJanitorBobTheJanitor Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24228Members, NS1 Playtester
    Well it's older than dirt, but there's always <a href='http://www.ishkur.com/music/' target='_blank'>this</a>, ishkur's guide to electronic music. Hip hop is listed under the 'breakbeat' section. That will probably tell you more than you ever wanted to know about it. And if there's anyone that hasn't seen that yet, check it out, it's amusing to play around with for a while.
  • OmegamanOmegaman Join Date: 2004-01-11 Member: 25239Members
    True Hip-Hop: Outkast - Hey Ya!


    Anrgy Black Men Rapping: "Hip-Hop"



    And there ya have it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BizZy_9mm_MessiahBizZy_9mm_Messiah Old School Member Join Date: 2003-07-25 Member: 18411Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Oct 3 2004, 01:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Oct 3 2004, 01:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok, I've been talking to people about hip-hop recently, and everyone I've talked to has no clue what it is. They like this new Krunk crap like Lil John and his YEEEEAAAA OOOOOOK WHAAAAAT!!!

    It annoys me and sort of makes me sick... I remember when hip-hop was liked because of the lyrics, not because it had a deep bassline and repeated a crappy chorus for the entire the length of the song.

    I just want to know if there is anyone here or anywhere for that matter that feels the same way that I do? I dunno, I guess songs should be about somthing meaningfull rather than parties and drugs/alcohol, or at least if that's what they are about that the artist use more than 12 words in the song...

    I was just talking to some dumb*** in IRC, so yea, that's why I made this topic... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And I thought I was the only one who felt like this.

    I hate it when kids on my bus go "Hey andre what you listening to?" Then I hand em some REAL HIP HOP and they go "What the **** is this ****?" God I get so ****.

    A Tribe Called Quest is real hip hop

    OutKast is real hip hop

    And so on and so forth.
  • DefianceDefiance Join Date: 2003-12-01 Member: 23847Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-X_Stickman+Oct 2 2004, 10:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X_Stickman @ Oct 2 2004, 10:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wouldn't even be able to define hip hop for you.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh, but I can.

    <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:green'><b>GARBAGE</b></span></span>
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Defiance+Oct 3 2004, 12:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Defiance @ Oct 3 2004, 12:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-X_Stickman+Oct 2 2004, 10:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X_Stickman @ Oct 2 2004, 10:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wouldn't even be able to define hip hop for you.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh, but I can.

    <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:green'><b>GARBAGE</b></span></span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thanks for voicing your oppinion, now be gone with you, get hit by a truck or somthing.

    That made me happy Bizzy, thanks.
  • BizZy_9mm_MessiahBizZy_9mm_Messiah Old School Member Join Date: 2003-07-25 Member: 18411Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Defiance+Oct 3 2004, 01:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Defiance @ Oct 3 2004, 01:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-X_Stickman+Oct 2 2004, 10:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X_Stickman @ Oct 2 2004, 10:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wouldn't even be able to define hip hop for you.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh, but I can.

    <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:green'><b>GARBAGE</b></span></span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why even post in here?
  • DefianceDefiance Join Date: 2003-12-01 Member: 23847Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Oct 2 2004, 11:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Oct 2 2004, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thanks for voicing your oppinion, now be gone with you, get hit by a truck or somthing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You first

    <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BobTheJanitorBobTheJanitor Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24228Members, NS1 Playtester
    I'm glad we got that out of our systems. Now can we try and discuss something without anyone getting hit by trucks, perhaps? Feel free to express your opinions without insulting everyone else's. It can be done, believe me.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    Defiance, your post sucks
  • DefianceDefiance Join Date: 2003-12-01 Member: 23847Members
    You suck.

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  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    edited October 2004
    Well, I won't make any claims that I know what "real hip-hop" is, but I very recently bought the <a href='http://www.hilltophoods.com/' target='_blank'>Hilltop Hoods</a>'s latest CD, it's got a lyrical rythm, and often quick-witted. eg:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Suffa: People chant the chorus when they hear it, Yo it’s on,
    Pressure: You rise like a tsunami, when you feel it; it’s the bomb,
    Suffa: I’ll make origami of your lyrics,
    Pressure: Geez that’s good Suffa, what is it?
    Suffa: It’s a swan.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I've always disliked arty-farty poetry in favour of something that's got flow to it ("conventional" poetry, I mean, not hip-hop specifically), and when I occasionally write poems, my own stuff reflects that.

    ...

    Defiance, and old saying comes to mind: "If you can't say anything nice, get the **** out of this thread."
  • DefianceDefiance Join Date: 2003-12-01 Member: 23847Members
    edited October 2004
    oooooooooooo

    Burn <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Ok, now I'll be serious and contribute my non-asshatish opinion.

    I used to love Hip-Hop. The good-old hip-hop of the 90's. Snoop Dog, Dr.Dre, the classics. Where the lyrics where about the artists coming up through their hard lives and making something of themselves in the world (I've watched a lot of behind the music when a rap artist was the subject, and most of them had horrible childhoods and a hard time "growing up", so to speak)

    Even if you're not a fan of the music genre, you have to admit, it takes some kind of talent, whatever it may be, to do what they do. I could learn how to play an instrument if I really put my mind to it, but I don't think I could ever do what they do, at least well. If you've ever tried to seriously freestyle against people (yes, I know this sounds dumb) it can be very, very difficult, to rap things that make sense, with a good flow. Raping takes a lot of time and practice to perfect, not un-like any other skill // profession.

    I absoultly hate all the hip-hop pop crap out on the market today. Outkast and that Hey-Ya! song... if I had a dime for every time that was played on the radio, I'd have a lot of ******* dimes. I really don't like how rap // hip-hop has turned into such a violent, angry music genre too over the years. "Artists" like Eminem disgust me with the lyrical talk of killing your own family members and the people you once cared for. And with that said, most rap on the radio I can't tollerate anymore, weather it's about some "Pimp's ho's and his bomb ride" or "how I'm such a playa and I want you back" crap. eww++

    Thats why I just don't listen to it anymore, it died for me a long time ago. I guess if I really had to pick one rap // hip-hop group to listen to, it would be old Snoop Dogg.
  • OmegamanOmegaman Join Date: 2004-01-11 Member: 25239Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Defiance+Oct 3 2004, 04:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Defiance @ Oct 3 2004, 04:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Outkast and that Hey-Ya! song... if I had a dime for every time that was played on the radio, I'd have a lot of ******* dimes. I really don't like how rap // hip-hop has turned into such a violent, angry music genre too over the years. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ....

    huh?
  • UZiUZi Eight inches of C4 between the legs. Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13767Members
    Someone say Krunk?
  • BirdyBirdy Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16825Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    Hip-Hop is the fine art of music designed by those guys that always steal your wallet when you are going out and make a shortcut through the ghetto.

    Basically bitching about how hard their life is smackin' some booty and chillin' wiv da homies.
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Birdy+Oct 3 2004, 11:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Birdy @ Oct 3 2004, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hip-Hop is the fine art of music designed by those guys that always steal your wallet when you are going out and make a shortcut through the ghetto.

    Basically bitching about how hard their life is smackin' some booty and chillin' wiv da homies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Mmmmm, booty....


    /me runs BobTheJanitor down with his lovetruck.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    edited October 2004
    A Tribe Called Quest is easily the greatest hip-hop group of all time. Anyone that claims rap music is all about "guns, crack pipes, 'n' bling-bling" has never listened to Tribe, De La Soul, Jurassic Five, the Black Eyed Peas, The Roots, J-Live, Aesop Rock, the Beastie Boys, any of Mos Def and Talib Kweli's various groups - the list goes on and on. Listen to the real thing before you pass judgment on it.
  • xioutlawixxioutlawix Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7118Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    Unfortunately what's mostly publicized is mainstream mtv hip hop, which I for the most part dont' agree with, and I'd be willing to wager that the majority of people here badmouthing hip hop don't even LISTEN to it or hear anything but what they happen to catch on tv as they flip past mtv.
    I'm sorry, but yours is an uninformed opinion and as such doesn't count.
    The only thing that gets me off nowadays as far as hip hop goes is someone who seems to have a genuine cause, or someone who impresses me with lyrical creativity or gets a chuckle out of me with humor.
    You can hate all you want, but if what you know about eminem extends as far as the crap of his that gets played on mtv, you don't know a damn thing about him.
    And if jay-z ranks high up on your list of talented professionals, just don't bother, close the thread.
  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    MC Hawking. Nuf said.
  • BigBullBigBull Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15123Members
    edited October 2004
    Hip hop is more main stream, and tuned than rap. Rap is just hard rap.


    GOOD Hiphop artists:
    Kanye West (THATS HIPHOP)
    Mase
    Wu-Tang Clan
    Tribe Called Quest
    The Roots

    Rap artist:
    Jadakiss
    Youngbloodz...
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    Check out A Sample and a Drum Machine by DL Incognito, Caboose. You'll love it.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-BigBull+Oct 3 2004, 10:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BigBull @ Oct 3 2004, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hip hop is more main stream, and tuned than rap. Rap is just hard rap.


    GOOD Hiphop artists:
    Kanye West (THATS HIPHOP)
    Mase
    Wu-Tang Clan
    Tribe Called Quest
    The Roots

    Rap artist:
    Jadakiss
    Youngbloodz... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's what I'm saying. People hear the **** that's on the radio and judge a good genre before they ever hear any thing good.

    Kanye West excited me when he started becoming popular, I thought it may be a sign that hip-hop was going back to being real, I guess I was wrong.

    I love how groups/artists can get such as The Dialated Peoples and Talib Kweli can write a song and put meening to it. Then people hear 50 cent, Lil John, and many comercialized rappers and make uneducated judgments that that must be what hip-hop is.

    I just don't get why the crap is so popular while the talented artists are left underground with devoted fans, but not the mainstreem attention they deserve.
  • illuminexilluminex Join Date: 2004-03-13 Member: 27317Members, Constellation
    I love the song "Hip Hop" by Dead Prez. I was surprised when I heard it being used as the opening song for The Chappelle Show.

    Anything by Dead Prez is good. Mos Def, from what I know, is good. I like Snoop, NWA, Tu Pac, etc. Older rap/hip hop has this habit of being a lot more meaningful than the newer material.

    The last album I bought that was Rap was Mobb Deep's album "Imfamy." It's circa 2001, I think, and it's a really good disc, despite the fact that the whole thing is about "kill ya'll niggaz."

    Jadakiss was pretty good, except his new album's a bit on the retarded side in my book.

    For real old school awesomeness, Rakim's where it's at. He's the one that changed Hip Hop's sound permanently.

    Hip Hop used to be quite honest, but my problem with it isn't the music, it's the culture behind it, which has a tendency to be immature and overcompensating. But that's a subject for another thread. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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