The majority of the topics locked are so because the idea is infeasible for the current build or has already been suggested/denied several times/has been specifically labelled in the FAQ.
Mind showing us <i>what</i> topics you think were unfairly locked, other than simply scrutinizing the opinions of several board members and the moderative team?
Yes, more input please. I'm under strict orders from Zunni not to touch any ideas in the main body of I&S, no matter how outlandish, except those that clearly break forum rules. (repeat of locked thread, suggesting something already given a nay in the FAQ, etc.) So if I've locked anything you can be sure that it's locked because it simply broke the rules. And Zunni's locks, as far as I've seen, are all quite fair. He leaves quite a few threads open even when there's almost zero chance of them ever being moved, as long as there's a thread of useful thought worth pursuing in them.
Bear in mind that you can't have it both ways. Either I&S is strictly controlled, and ideas with no chance are locked after hanging around for a day or two (thus allowing us some way of dealing with the massive flood of ideas), or you have the old style I&S, where people are free to brainstorm crazy ideas all day long... but the devs will never EVER look at them. Which do you prefer?
tankefuglOne Script To Rule Them All...Trondheim, NorwayJoin Date: 2002-11-14Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
The strict monitoring of the I&S forum is the best thing that has happened to these forums in a long time. It's much more productive the way it is now. Cookies to Zunni for doing it.
Marik_SteeleTo rule in hell...Join Date: 2002-11-20Member: 9466Members
I'd also like to remind all members that regardless of who locked your thread and where it was, you are encouraged to PM the staff member who locked it if you have any questions or complaints about why it happened.
Just because one person thinks it's a good idea, or several people think it's a good idea for that matter, doesn't make it a good idea.
Lets go with an example- Hitlers plan to solve Germanys economic problem. Quite a few people liked the idea at the time. Was it a good one? Not really, no.
Thought is was a good idea to brake up the same old round starts and rines dash to camping stop till better weapons then actually goto hive. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Use other people's threads as arguments not yours. That way you look less biased.
Though some topics are arguable reasonable and DO get locked, for the most part, the ones that are totally inplausible (OMG A $C0RP1AN THAT H0V4R$) get locked while reasonable ones are given a chance. This isn't to say that it's perfect, but at least it's better than IS a year ago.
<!--QuoteBegin-tankefugl+Oct 9 2004, 02:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tankefugl @ Oct 9 2004, 02:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The strict monitoring of the I&S forum is the best thing that has happened to these forums in a long time. It's much more productive the way it is now. Cookies to Zunni for doing it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> /gives tons of cookies to zunni <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
most threads closed, deserved it! im behind zunni in this (not that my vote matters <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Well if you have an issue with Zunni locking a thread, just PM him with a good reason why you think it deserves to be unlocked. If he agrees with you he will unlock the thread.
I've PM'ed Zunni on a few occasions regarding locks, he seems very receptive to explanations and clarification to ideas and has on a few occasions unlocked threads which have been explained (or had further discussion possibilities explained) and developed in PM's to him.
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Oct 9 2004, 06:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Oct 9 2004, 06:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just because one person thinks it's a good idea, or several people think it's a good idea for that matter, doesn't make it a good idea.
Lets go with an example- Hitlers plan to solve Germanys economic problem. Quite a few people liked the idea at the time. Was it a good one? Not really, no.
Let moderators do their job. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ... /me struggles to remember history lessons.
Establishing <i>Rechten Mark</i> and refusing to the 6,600 million dollar "war fine"? I think that was a good move. :S (But I'm drailing this topic, so further discussion over PM please. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) --
Zunni is a locking machiene. Get in there, irradicate the nonscence threads, spare the innocent sensible ideas.
If there ever is an issue where *anyone* disgrees with any of his locks, I am sure the thread in question would be re-opened and furhter discussed. (And then probably locked again shortly after)
I feel Zunni is doing a fine job. He's an experienced NS player, mature, and unbiased.
<!--QuoteBegin-Al_Kaholic+Oct 8 2004, 06:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Al_Kaholic @ Oct 8 2004, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The majority of the topics locked are so because the idea is infeasible for the current build or has already been suggested/denied several times/has been specifically labelled in the FAQ.
Mind showing us <i>what</i> topics you think were unfairly locked, other than simply scrutinizing the opinions of several board members and the moderative team? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think the I&S lockings have been 98% the right decision.
I'll make an dynamically edited list here for threads that need to be unlocked: (because I have heard more than 3 people say they wish they could reply in them):
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82408' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=82408</a> <-- I and 3 others disagree with Talesin's conclusion, yes some servers with inexperienced or bad admins will do that butnot all and besides I didn't say what all exactly would go in them, just that one can adjust a select # of varibles. <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81998' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=81998</a> <-- allow TommyVercetti to as a reply then you can lock again
PS: I also wish some of the ideas for future version would get bumped to ideas for next version and the next version ideas when implemented get added to the changelog.
In other words we need some place to keep a list of changelogs and the system work like this:<ul><li>Person gets idea [*[Thread started in I&S</li><li>Idea discussed, when discussion has died off or it is clear what to do with it, then one of the three: <span style='color:green'>Moved</span> (only goes to next version if it's really going to be in it, made a priority), <span style='color:green'>Deleted</span> (I&S should be the rarest of all for deleting), or <span style='color:green'>Locked</span> (which will inevitably be 50%, not to be mean but that's just what it's there for, reference w/o spam replies)</li><li>As each new version comes out the ideas getting implemented from next version gets deleted or bumped to a change log forum ideas getting dropped from an older version return to the future ideas forum, the ideas in the future forum get moved into the next version forum as needed, things only go in the next version forum if they are really going in the next version (like an assembly line)</li></ul> PS: Merge these topic into the other one about OCs and 4th upgrade options: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82301' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=82301</a> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82408' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=82408</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-BlueNovember+Oct 13 2004, 12:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueNovember @ Oct 13 2004, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I feel Zunni is doing a fine job. He's an experienced NS player, mature, and unbiased. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree although nobody is totally unbaised. I feel Zunni (and most of the development team) may have a slight bias of reluctance to change and reluctance to reinstall good ideas and gameplay design from previous versions. But yes, as was stated in the dev meeting thread Zunni is kicking **** and while I generally like deleting better than locking in this specific forum deleting shouldn't be used and locking is the way to go. (difference between idea discussion (lock only) and opinion discussion (delete prefered) threads)
It looks like Zunni is ruthlessly locking threads , just because he happens to lock a bunch of them in one go , so they're all bumped. A fix for that would be to just lock them , without warning - but that wouldn't please Zunni's postcount <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It's up to the S&I forumers to bump older ideas... the ones that don't deserve to die. I think we should just focus on the other , more productive , non locked threads - or alternatively , get a life <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-tankefugl+Oct 9 2004, 10:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tankefugl @ Oct 9 2004, 10:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The strict monitoring of the I&S forum is the best thing that has happened to these forums in a long time. It's much more productive the way it is now. Cookies to Zunni for doing it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> MOAR KOOKIES CORNMANDO!
<!--QuoteBegin-Scythe+Oct 14 2004, 08:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scythe @ Oct 14 2004, 08:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-tankefugl+Oct 9 2004, 10:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tankefugl @ Oct 9 2004, 10:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The strict monitoring of the I&S forum is the best thing that has happened to these forums in a long time. It's much more productive the way it is now. Cookies to Zunni for doing it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> MOAR KOOKIES CORNMANDO!
--Scythe-- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *Hops in the CC and spams Zunni with CookiePacks*
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Oct 17 2004, 03:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Oct 17 2004, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Devs never look at I&S anyway so what's the big deal? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Someone delete this before Zunni sees it and gets offended.
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Oct 17 2004, 02:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Oct 17 2004, 02:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Devs never look at I&S anyway so what's the big deal?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They used to never look at the I&S, but <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80522' target='_blank'>Zunni changed that.</a> Wonderful fellow isn't he?<img src='http://notebookforums.com/images/smilies/toast.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<!--QuoteBegin-Marik_Steele+Oct 8 2004, 07:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik_Steele @ Oct 8 2004, 07:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd also like to remind all members that regardless of who locked your thread and where it was, you are encouraged to PM the staff member who locked it if you have any questions or complaints about why it happened. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I Pmed Nem asking for an explanation before and was througouglhy ignored.
<!--QuoteBegin-VB Phat+Oct 9 2004, 12:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (VB Phat @ Oct 9 2004, 12:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't seem right that threads are getting locked because one person doesn't like the idea. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You, good Sir, are absolutely right.
I am currently attempting to clone Zunni and as soon as the cloning proccess is finished there will be always at least two persons that lock those ideas.
ZunniThe best thing to happen to I&S in a long whileJoin Date: 2002-11-26Member: 10016Members
edited October 2004
Wow, ever since my new role, I have never seen my name mentioned before <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
A few things:
X5 is 100% correct, though I try to fight my biases, they still creep in from time to time, occasionally ideas that have merit do get locked..
A quick PM to me, with more explanation as to why this idea is valid will get them unlocked..
I'm human and therefore make mistakes.. I try to stay out of I&S when I'm having a bad day though, it tends to make me much more quick on the lock button..
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The way the sub-forums are organized currently may not make sense as the items set for B6 have been set for over a month now.. So my moving things into "upcoming version" may not make sense.
I feel "upcoming version" is a good place for ideas which could be added fairly quickly depending on extra time.. So for example if we have more programming time, I can run in there and grab a few ideas and let the devs pick one and implement it.. This doesn't mean that when B6 is released that this forum will be emptied, they continue to be mostly polish ideas that still work for the next version...
As for the future version forum, those are longer term, higher scope items that really need to be sat down and discussed with the dev team before any of these are looked at being implemented. They may not be programmically feasible (too much time/effort) or even fit the direction Flay wants to go, but still are valid thoughts and therefore will stick around. Future Ideas is where I hope to dig when B6 is released and we have our next "feature grab" where we start discussing new features..
I know Flay has several ideas already as to new features, but I'm hoping to get an audience in our next dev meeting to bring up a few of the more popular ideas in that area.
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Locking more.. I try to be fairly aggresive but yet allow for logic to prevail.. If nothing logically speaking stops an idea from being possible I'll try to move it and let Bob do some additional monitoring. But if there is a good point that basically deflates the initial idea, then I'll lock..
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The old I&S was messy, duplicate and flamed topics floated while good ideas sank, I hope the work I'm doing helps that a bit..
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Part of the reason I delete more and lock less, is because the old I&S had 11,000 + posts.. How many do you think were bad?? It's simply taking up space and providing limited benefit (ability to search for bad ideas before you post them I suppose, but if bad ideas are being brought up over and over again, they become a candidate for the FAQ) I'm trying to keep the overall number of posting in the main body of I&S down... Only time will tell what kind of a job I'm doing <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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To the original poster, it's VERY VERY rare, where I out and out dismiss an idea, there generally is 2-5 others who agree.. If I dismiss an idea outright, then It's probably stepped on teh toes of a FAQ posting.. Which I'm continuing to add to as ideas that will not be considered are mentioned over and over..
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@X5, I'll review these and we can carry on that conversation in PM....
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I am not hiding from the public, if you have a question for me, ask I'll do my best to answer it..
Thought is was a good idea to brake up the same old round starts and rines dash to camping stop till better weapons then actually goto hive.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There were 3 dissenting opinions on that topic (and no assenting opinions)... I gave it 2 days, and since there was no clarification or alteration from you regarding the idea (and to be fair there wasn't much there to work from), it was locked..
I would lock this type of thread 100% of the time.
I think zunni is helping out the I&S forums a lot, and yeah the more locked threads the better, hell just keep locking them in that forum, lock lock lock
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the threads are locked before other people can offer the insight on how the idea can be developed and futher enhanced.
Mind showing us <i>what</i> topics you think were unfairly locked, other than simply scrutinizing the opinions of several board members and the moderative team?
Bear in mind that you can't have it both ways. Either I&S is strictly controlled, and ideas with no chance are locked after hanging around for a day or two (thus allowing us some way of dealing with the massive flood of ideas), or you have the old style I&S, where people are free to brainstorm crazy ideas all day long... but the devs will never EVER look at them. Which do you prefer?
Thought is was a good idea to brake up the same old round starts and rines dash to camping stop till better weapons then actually goto hive.
Lets go with an example- Hitlers plan to solve Germanys economic problem. Quite a few people liked the idea at the time. Was it a good one? Not really, no.
Let moderators do their job.
Thought is was a good idea to brake up the same old round starts and rines dash to camping stop till better weapons then actually goto hive. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Use other people's threads as arguments not yours. That way you look less biased.
Though some topics are arguable reasonable and DO get locked, for the most part, the ones that are totally inplausible (OMG A $C0RP1AN THAT H0V4R$) get locked while reasonable ones are given a chance. This isn't to say that it's perfect, but at least it's better than IS a year ago.
/gives tons of cookies to zunni <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
most threads closed, deserved it!
im behind zunni in this (not that my vote matters <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Lets go with an example- Hitlers plan to solve Germanys economic problem. Quite a few people liked the idea at the time. Was it a good one? Not really, no.
Let moderators do their job. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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/me struggles to remember history lessons.
Establishing <i>Rechten Mark</i> and refusing to the 6,600 million dollar "war fine"? I think that was a good move. :S
(But I'm drailing this topic, so further discussion over PM please. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
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Zunni is a locking machiene. Get in there, irradicate the nonscence threads, spare the innocent sensible ideas.
If there ever is an issue where *anyone* disgrees with any of his locks, I am sure the thread in question would be re-opened and furhter discussed. (And then probably locked again shortly after)
I feel Zunni is doing a fine job. He's an experienced NS player, mature, and unbiased.
Mind showing us <i>what</i> topics you think were unfairly locked, other than simply scrutinizing the opinions of several board members and the moderative team? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think the I&S lockings have been 98% the right decision.
I'll make an dynamically edited list here for threads that need to be unlocked: (because I have heard more than 3 people say they wish they could reply in them):
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82408' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=82408</a> <-- I and 3 others disagree with Talesin's conclusion, yes some servers with inexperienced or bad admins will do that butnot all and besides I didn't say what all exactly would go in them, just that one can adjust a select # of varibles.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81998' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=81998</a> <-- allow TommyVercetti to as a reply then you can lock again
PS: I also wish some of the ideas for future version would get bumped to ideas for next version and the next version ideas when implemented get added to the changelog.
In other words we need some place to keep a list of changelogs and the system work like this:<ul><li>Person gets idea
[*[Thread started in I&S</li><li>Idea discussed, when discussion has died off or it is clear what to do with it, then one of the three: <span style='color:green'>Moved</span> (only goes to next version if it's really going to be in it, made a priority), <span style='color:green'>Deleted</span> (I&S should be the rarest of all for deleting), or <span style='color:green'>Locked</span> (which will inevitably be 50%, not to be mean but that's just what it's there for, reference w/o spam replies)</li><li>As each new version comes out the ideas getting implemented from next version gets deleted or bumped to a change log forum ideas getting dropped from an older version return to the future ideas forum, the ideas in the future forum get moved into the next version forum as needed, things only go in the next version forum if they are really going in the next version (like an assembly line)</li></ul>
PS: Merge these topic into the other one about OCs and 4th upgrade options: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82301' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=82301</a>
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82408' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=82408</a>
I agree although nobody is totally unbaised. I feel Zunni (and most of the development team) may have a slight bias of reluctance to change and reluctance to reinstall good ideas and gameplay design from previous versions. But yes, as was stated in the dev meeting thread Zunni is kicking **** and while I generally like deleting better than locking in this specific forum deleting shouldn't be used and locking is the way to go. (difference between idea discussion (lock only) and opinion discussion (delete prefered) threads)
It's up to the S&I forumers to bump older ideas... the ones that don't deserve to die. I think we should just focus on the other , more productive , non locked threads - or alternatively , get a life <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
MOAR KOOKIES CORNMANDO!
--Scythe--
MOAR KOOKIES CORNMANDO!
--Scythe-- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*Hops in the CC and spams Zunni with CookiePacks*
Someone delete this before Zunni sees it and gets offended.
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Zunni assess, filters, and orders topics. They are passed to Devs. :|
They used to never look at the I&S, but <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80522' target='_blank'>Zunni changed that.</a> Wonderful fellow isn't he?<img src='http://notebookforums.com/images/smilies/toast.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
I Pmed Nem asking for an explanation before and was througouglhy ignored.
You, good Sir, are absolutely right.
I am currently attempting to clone Zunni and as soon as the cloning proccess is finished there will be always at least two persons that lock those ideas.
A few things:
X5 is 100% correct, though I try to fight my biases, they still creep in from time to time, occasionally ideas that have merit do get locked..
A quick PM to me, with more explanation as to why this idea is valid will get them unlocked..
I'm human and therefore make mistakes.. I try to stay out of I&S when I'm having a bad day though, it tends to make me much more quick on the lock button..
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The way the sub-forums are organized currently may not make sense as the items set for B6 have been set for over a month now.. So my moving things into "upcoming version" may not make sense.
I feel "upcoming version" is a good place for ideas which could be added fairly quickly depending on extra time.. So for example if we have more programming time, I can run in there and grab a few ideas and let the devs pick one and implement it.. This doesn't mean that when B6 is released that this forum will be emptied, they continue to be mostly polish ideas that still work for the next version...
As for the future version forum, those are longer term, higher scope items that really need to be sat down and discussed with the dev team before any of these are looked at being implemented. They may not be programmically feasible (too much time/effort) or even fit the direction Flay wants to go, but still are valid thoughts and therefore will stick around. Future Ideas is where I hope to dig when B6 is released and we have our next "feature grab" where we start discussing new features..
I know Flay has several ideas already as to new features, but I'm hoping to get an audience in our next dev meeting to bring up a few of the more popular ideas in that area.
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Locking more.. I try to be fairly aggresive but yet allow for logic to prevail.. If nothing logically speaking stops an idea from being possible I'll try to move it and let Bob do some additional monitoring. But if there is a good point that basically deflates the initial idea, then I'll lock..
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The old I&S was messy, duplicate and flamed topics floated while good ideas sank, I hope the work I'm doing helps that a bit..
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Part of the reason I delete more and lock less, is because the old I&S had 11,000 + posts.. How many do you think were bad?? It's simply taking up space and providing limited benefit (ability to search for bad ideas before you post them I suppose, but if bad ideas are being brought up over and over again, they become a candidate for the FAQ) I'm trying to keep the overall number of posting in the main body of I&S down... Only time will tell what kind of a job I'm doing <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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To the original poster, it's VERY VERY rare, where I out and out dismiss an idea, there generally is 2-5 others who agree.. If I dismiss an idea outright, then It's probably stepped on teh toes of a FAQ posting.. Which I'm continuing to add to as ideas that will not be considered are mentioned over and over..
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@X5, I'll review these and we can carry on that conversation in PM....
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I am not hiding from the public, if you have a question for me, ask I'll do my best to answer it..
Thought is was a good idea to brake up the same old round starts and rines dash to camping stop till better weapons then actually goto hive.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There were 3 dissenting opinions on that topic (and no assenting opinions)... I gave it 2 days, and since there was no clarification or alteration from you regarding the idea (and to be fair there wasn't much there to work from), it was locked..
I would lock this type of thread 100% of the time.