I thought testosterone was the male counterpart of oestrogen (or estrogen, depending on which country you are in).
androgynous comes from two greek words "aner/andros" meaning 'man' and "gune/gunaikos" meaning woman. The u in greek often gets latinized to a y.
god damn greek looks crap when you transliterate it. so:
ό άνδρος / ό άνερ
ή γυνή / ή γυναικός
if anyone here speaks greek please forgive my: breathings, accents and the fact that it isn't modern greek.
EDIT: I forgot the point of my posting the etymology of the word =(
testosterone is an androgen.
gen doesn't mean gyn, so an androgen comes from andros and gignomai/gevomen (the verb to become), as opposed to being related to gun/gyn and being man/woman as androgynous is.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Oct 13 2004, 11:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Oct 13 2004, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thinking of situations from both a masculine and feminine perspectives give you a fairer assesment and help you make better choices. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What is a masculine or feminine perspective, anyway? In what ways are they different? I just assume that, hormones and certain physical stuff aside, they're more or less the same.
Wow... a whole topic on gender and I wasn't involved... what's the world coming to? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Androgen is a type of enzyme, a steroid in fact, that is circulated through the male body.
Testosterone is just a specific type of androgen.
Estrogen is the type of enzyme circulated in the female body.
However, both male and female counterparts have both enzymes, just one more than the other in a fixed ratio. This must remain homeostatic to prevent ill effects. So a guy would have both, just more Androgen than Estrogen. And for a girl the opposite would be true.
Also, Androgynous != Androgen. The first greek root is the same but the second is not. So they don't have that relation. Androgynous = Root for Man in greek & Root for Woman in greek. Androgen = Root for Man in greek and something else.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nil_IQ+Oct 14 2004, 12:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Oct 14 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Argh, you're (collectively) right. Its clearly a guy. That's mildly disturbing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree though it wouldn't affect my judgement of the person's character.
<!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 14 2004, 12:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 14 2004, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nil_IQ+Oct 14 2004, 12:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Oct 14 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Argh, you're (collectively) right. Its clearly a guy. That's mildly disturbing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree though it wouldn't affect my judgement of the person's character.
appearances != the content of one's character <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well my view of Talesin has been redefined. In the same way that my view of Zig is every time he posts. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 14 2004, 12:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 14 2004, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> appearances != the content of one's character <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ... I think you'd learn a lot about someone's character if they were a butch 7"2 monkey calling themselves Sylvia.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well my view of Talesin has been redefined. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> LOL. The guy's midlyly insane. Dancing she-men? Totally unsurprising. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(Damn, this <b><i>is</i></b> pretty damn addictive. )
<span style='color:white'>Re-read the rules, special emphasis on the use of bold and colors.</span><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <b>MAYA OOO!</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-falloutx2+Oct 14 2004, 01:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (falloutx2 @ Oct 14 2004, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I find it amusing in that "I can't believe I am listening to this" way.
Its a campy song with a silly animation, but its good for a few laughs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think we are all in the same boat on that one.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Oct 14 2004, 01:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 14 2004, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have to say, I'm amused. Rather than threads randomly breaking out in to flaming, you're randomly breaking out in to science discussions. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well I had to clear up a few things. I always forget that Testosterone is a type of Androgen and not the other way around.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 14 2004, 12:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 14 2004, 12:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok so as I understand it;
Androgen is a type of enzyme, a steroid in fact, that is circulated through the male body.
Testosterone is just a specific type of androgen.
Estrogen is the type of enzyme circulated in the female body.
However, both male and female counterparts have both enzymes, just one more than the other in a fixed ratio. This must remain homeostatic to prevent ill effects. So a guy would have both, just more Androgen than Estrogen. And for a girl the opposite would be true.
Also, Androgynous != Androgen. The first greek root is the same but the second is not. So they don't have that relation. Androgynous = Root for Man in greek & Root for Woman in greek. Androgen = Root for Man in greek and something else.
EDIT: Typos. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> gen = greek root for "birth" i believe. androgeny is the birth of male infants in medical terms, iirc.
actually androgen is like the building block hormone. They can be converted into testosterone or estrogen... and all this isn't taking into account progesterone which also changes things =3
Everyone has the lot of them in their body though. Alarmingly the levels of estrogen are supposedly far too high in men and women these days causing problems. If a guy's estrogen levels are high enough he can even suffer PMT-like symptoms XD The high levels are caused by our diet... a lot of foods have things in them that promote estrogen. For example cows are often given growth hormones so they become nice and fat and make lots of milk but this also makes them produce a lot more estrogen in their milk which we then take in via dairy products. Supposedly soy-based products are insanely high in estrogen too =o
<!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Oct 13 2004, 07:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Oct 13 2004, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, the chibi in my sig (and in the flash linked in it) is male. An effeminate pretty boy (bishounen), but male nevertheless. It's pretty obvious at the beginning of the flash. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
From now on Talesin, please - FOR THE LOVE OF GOD - use stuff that states either M, or F. TY!
<!--QuoteBegin-Geminosity+Oct 14 2004, 03:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Oct 14 2004, 03:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Everyone has the lot of them in their body though. Alarmingly the levels of estrogen are supposedly far too high in men and women these days causing problems. If a guy's estrogen levels are high enough he can even suffer PMT-like symptoms XD <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That explains my manboobs then.
<!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 14 2004, 12:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 14 2004, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nil_IQ+Oct 14 2004, 12:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Oct 14 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Argh, you're (collectively) right. Its clearly a guy. That's mildly disturbing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree though it wouldn't affect my judgement of the person's character.
appearances != the content of one's character <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> appearances SHOULD = the content of one's pants....
<!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Oct 14 2004, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Oct 14 2004, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 14 2004, 12:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 14 2004, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nil_IQ+Oct 14 2004, 12:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Oct 14 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Argh, you're (collectively) right. Its clearly a guy. That's mildly disturbing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree though it wouldn't affect my judgement of the person's character.
appearances != the content of one's character <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> appearances SHOULD = the content of one's pants.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ...and shirt.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kouji San+Oct 14 2004, 03:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kouji San @ Oct 14 2004, 03:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wasnt this song Portugese and became famous because it was run over and over and over and over again during the soccer season?
/me hates this song!!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> romanian, and no.
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androgynous comes from two greek words "aner/andros" meaning 'man' and "gune/gunaikos" meaning woman. The u in greek often gets latinized to a y.
god damn greek looks crap when you transliterate it. so:
ό άνδρος / ό άνερ
ή γυνή / ή γυναικός
if anyone here speaks greek please forgive my: breathings, accents and the fact that it isn't modern greek.
EDIT: I forgot the point of my posting the etymology of the word =(
testosterone is an androgen.
gen doesn't mean gyn, so an androgen comes from andros and gignomai/gevomen (the verb to become), as opposed to being related to gun/gyn and being man/woman as androgynous is.
The fellow in the flash looks strangely too much like Gojyo from Gensomaden Saiyuki....hell the clothes even look like something he would wear o_O;
Now I'm scared....and scarred.
<span style='color:white'>Re-read the rules, special emphasis on the use of bold and colors.</span>
What is a masculine or feminine perspective, anyway? In what ways are they different? I just assume that, hormones and certain physical stuff aside, they're more or less the same.
(I'm not challenging you here, I'm just curious.)
Androgen is a type of enzyme, a steroid in fact, that is circulated through the male body.
Testosterone is just a specific type of androgen.
Estrogen is the type of enzyme circulated in the female body.
However, both male and female counterparts have both enzymes, just one more than the other in a fixed ratio. This must remain homeostatic to prevent ill effects. So a guy would have both, just more Androgen than Estrogen. And for a girl the opposite would be true.
Also, Androgynous != Androgen. The first greek root is the same but the second is not. So they don't have that relation. Androgynous = Root for Man in greek & Root for Woman in greek. Androgen = Root for Man in greek and something else.
EDIT: Typos.
Why do you care?
answer: because we can
I agree though it wouldn't affect my judgement of the person's character.
appearances != the content of one's character
I agree though it wouldn't affect my judgement of the person's character.
appearances != the content of one's character <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well my view of Talesin has been redefined. In the same way that my view of Zig is every time he posts. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
...
I think you'd learn a lot about someone's character if they were a butch 7"2 monkey calling themselves Sylvia.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Well my view of Talesin has been redefined.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL. The guy's midlyly insane. Dancing she-men? Totally unsurprising. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(Damn, this <b><i>is</i></b> pretty damn addictive. )
<span style='color:white'>Re-read the rules, special emphasis on the use of bold and colors.</span><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>MAYA OOO!</b>
<span style='color:white'>See above.</span>
Its a campy song with a silly animation, but its good for a few laughs.
Its a campy song with a silly animation, but its good for a few laughs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think we are all in the same boat on that one.
Well I had to clear up a few things. I always forget that Testosterone is a type of Androgen and not the other way around.
Androgen is a type of enzyme, a steroid in fact, that is circulated through the male body.
Testosterone is just a specific type of androgen.
Estrogen is the type of enzyme circulated in the female body.
However, both male and female counterparts have both enzymes, just one more than the other in a fixed ratio. This must remain homeostatic to prevent ill effects. So a guy would have both, just more Androgen than Estrogen. And for a girl the opposite would be true.
Also, Androgynous != Androgen. The first greek root is the same but the second is not. So they don't have that relation. Androgynous = Root for Man in greek & Root for Woman in greek. Androgen = Root for Man in greek and something else.
EDIT: Typos. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
gen = greek root for "birth" i believe. androgeny is the birth of male infants in medical terms, iirc.
Everyone has the lot of them in their body though. Alarmingly the levels of estrogen are supposedly far too high in men and women these days causing problems. If a guy's estrogen levels are high enough he can even suffer PMT-like symptoms XD
The high levels are caused by our diet... a lot of foods have things in them that promote estrogen. For example cows are often given growth hormones so they become nice and fat and make lots of milk but this also makes them produce a lot more estrogen in their milk which we then take in via dairy products. Supposedly soy-based products are insanely high in estrogen too =o
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
From now on Talesin, please - FOR THE LOVE OF GOD - use stuff that states either M, or F. TY!
That explains my manboobs then.
Must... Regain... Breath...
/me hates this song!!!
I agree though it wouldn't affect my judgement of the person's character.
appearances != the content of one's character <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
appearances SHOULD = the content of one's pants....
I agree though it wouldn't affect my judgement of the person's character.
appearances != the content of one's character <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
appearances SHOULD = the content of one's pants.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
...and shirt.
/me hates this song!!! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
romanian, and no.