took tae kwon do for a couple years and got a black belt when i was like 13. so lame how so many academies just hand out black belts like nothing. learned nothign from it.
took about a year of fencing, which didnt work for me. now im taking kendo, which isnt very fun either.
to be honest, many martial arts are next to useless unles youre REALLY good. thinks like capeoira (sp) and kung fu are cool looking, but thats it. the true fighting techniques are wrestling/boxing/thai kick boxing as well as grappling arts like hapkido. the minute you pick them up, you really learn something
I was considering taking some martial arts, then I realized I can just buy a stun gun or pepper spray. If those two fail, no martial arts can save me in real life situation.
<!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Oct 14 2004, 06:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Oct 14 2004, 06:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I really don't understand the point of martial arts - lets face it: in a real fight, they are not going to be attempting to score "points" by hitting you in the chest. They'll just headlock you bring you down and stomp on you while you're on the ground.
Although, I took nearly 2 1/2 years of TaeKwonDo, which was pretty much useless.
If you want, you can take the martial arts for exercise, though, they have some neat techniques for exercising, which will help you a lot. I mean, doesn't punching and kicking come naturally? What exactly do they teach you that's useful? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The funny thing is, thats exactly what Bruce Lee preached against for a long time. Its better than the old days where they didn't touch each other at all, and they wore full pads.... Yea BL is sorta a hero of mine. "No way as way, having no limitation as limitation.". He wanted people to stop focusing on 'ok now after I do this punch, I go into this stance and throw another punch..' He realized that would NEVER work. His 'style' was adapting, not being limited by a 'form'. If someone stepped into an open position, he would hit them regardless if it broke some sort of 'rule'.
Its sad really that martial arts are being reduced to crap like the 'Extreme Martial Arts' tournaments where idiots swing swords in movements that are 100% non-combat feasible, throwing them in the air spinning while morons look on going 'OOOOH AHHH'. -- Another thing BL preached. If its not useful in combat, don't bother learning it.
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edited October 2004
one of the great true urban legends about BL was that one of his very good friends, right before he died, was working on a machine that would offer varied resistance to his strikes, to simulate a person.. because he couldn't use his full force while sparring any longer..
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Main Entry: mar·tial Pronunciation: 'mär-sh&l Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Latin martialis of Mars, from Mart-, Mars 1 : of, relating to, or suited for war or a warrior 2 : relating to an army or to military life 3 : experienced in or inclined to war : WARLIKE - mar·tial·ly /-sh&-lE/ adverb<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Oct 14 2004, 11:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Oct 14 2004, 11:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Main Entry: mar·tial Pronunciation: 'mär-sh&l Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Latin martialis of Mars, from Mart-, Mars 1 : of, relating to, or suited for war or a warrior 2 : relating to an army or to military life 3 : experienced in or inclined to war : WARLIKE - mar·tial·ly /-sh&-lE/ adverb <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly.
Actually I'm intersted in Neo-ninjitsu because it combines the same old techniques that kick **** and allow you to be a sneaky assasin but instead of training with an an arrow&bow or some throwing weapon they train you in riflemanship and pistol combat. Crazy stuff.
Just because you can shoot doesn't mean you can hit. In all likelyhood a smart martial arts trained assasin won't let you have the advantage of range. Take the rifle out and they break your arm, shoot your buddy and then break you f-ing neck by rotating you head like a bar stool before you have time to scream. My only point in the guns are not equal to hand to hand combat was that martial arts cannot ignore the fact of guns, but all modern serious styles now teach you techniques to disarm the attacker and some like Neo-ninjitsu have combined riflemanship with traditional ninjitsu.
My biggest complaint is that thanks to insulting shows like Power Rangers there has been influx in kiddies wanting to learn karate. Thus the spawn of the "take you dough" schools which just take your money to be nothing really more than a day care center. Karate cannot be gentle and casual. If I had no self-control I would surely beat the **** out of every brat who thinks they knwo karate. What good is it to know the general motions if you cannot execute the technique like you mean it to save your life. No, if I ever decide to go back to a a dojo on a regular basis I want it to be serious and with no kids. It is really quite insulting to me and other serious karatemen and karatewomen to see the art commercialized and turned into a "day care" or a "health club." What the ****! Absolutely repulsive.
I had the greatest instructor for about 2 years in juijitsu and aikido. His previous occupations consisted of being a bodyguard, bouncer, and teaching hand to hand for law enforcement agencies. One hardcore ****. His dojo wouldn't accept anyone under the age of 18 since he didn't think it would be a good teaching enviroment (he cussed like a sailor and had full contact sparing/rolling from your day one of learning) His dojo closed becuase he was going through a bitter devource. a damn shame becuase any style is good if you have an instructor that understnads it.
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The Japanese Samurai were quick to adopt the use of firearms after they were introduced by the Portuguese in feudal Japan. Though the Samurai never abandoned the use of the sword, they saw the value that the firearm presented. More importantly for self-defense, the firearm, unlike the sword or my martial arts training, may be used to subdue an aggressor without the need to harm him or her in any way. This fact is well documented by Dr. Lott in his research that emphasizes the numerous cases of the defensive use of a firearm without a shot being fired. The most gentle martial arts technique would still entail touching the aggressor and applying some degree of pain to subdue him. I think that when Colt named their original six-shooter the "Peacemaker," they were right on target. A gun can bring peace to a situation without the need for actual violence.
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Not always. This happens rarely, but I've talked to people that were very experienced who got into some of those situations(all women). You know, the general idea of mugger with a gun, the guy was too close though- on the first, she disabled him then broke his leg, the second disabled him, took the gun and ran, and the third disabled him, took the gun, took out the clip, then punched him in the jaw, knocking him out.
Its only when the firearm user is an idiot- but remember, were in America, land of the idiots!
<!--QuoteBegin-Liku+Oct 15 2004, 02:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Oct 15 2004, 02:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Oct 14 2004, 01:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Oct 14 2004, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 4 years of Couch Potato technique. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I started that at 4, when I first beat Zelda. Continued to improve my skill until I moved to Comp Chair Status.
How many belts are there? And what belt do Ken and Ryu have? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I"m using the X square X square triangle circle R2+L2 square triangle variant.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Oct 16 2004, 04:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Oct 16 2004, 04:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not always. This happens rarely, but I've talked to people that were very experienced who got into some of those situations(all women). You know, the general idea of mugger with a gun, the guy was too close though- on the first, she disabled him then broke his leg, the second disabled him, took the gun and ran, and the third disabled him, took the gun, took out the clip, then punched him in the jaw, knocking him out.
Its only when the firearm user is an idiot- but remember, were in America, land of the idiots! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, see the thing is when using deadly force, make sure it's deadly force.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Oct 14 2004, 06:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Oct 14 2004, 06:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> this is why i am so looking forward to the Marine Corps martial arts program.. i want to learn all the most efficient methods of self defence and offense in actual modern hand to hand combat.. *droolish* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Zig, unless you plan to continue into a covert-op type division (seals, green berret, force reacon, delta) or become an MP the best hand to hand training you'll get in the Marines or army is how to shoot someone with your pistol at 10 feet. The military expects you to use first your rifle, then your pistol, then a bayonet, finally hand to hand. Your hand to hand, while really practical, will not be a primary focus to make you a good brawler. The physical conditioning will give you a serious edge though, if the need arises.
[Rant] I am a <i>little</i> tired of the whole 'What good is it if I can't break bones with it?' - attitude. What is the practical application of soccer? Does a basketballer expect to knock people out with his slam-dunk? Folks, get this: Martial Arts are <i>sports</i>. If you visit a Dojo to learn good tricks for your next bar brawl, you shouldn't be there (nor should you be in the bar, for that matter). Practice them to stay fit (and fit you will be - I know Karateka who can jump one and a half meter into the air out of a dead stop), practice them to control your body, practice them for self-confidence and -discipline. If you practice them to get into fights, you deserve anything you get.
By the way, a word to those of you citing firearm experience in a similiar vein - wake up. I have every respect for shooting as a sport, but if you truly think that a gun is going to save you in a serious close combat situation, you are simply delusional. By all odds, it wouldn't save you, it would kill you. [/Rant]
i wouldn't clump martial arts as sports. maybe some of the newer schools that don't go beyond olympic rules for sparring, but the few schools out there that teach actual martial arts go way beyond physical gain. Better health, body control, and confidence are side effects of a good school with good training, but unlike basketball or soccer martial arts was forged in battlefields of old. Built into them is a reflextion on brutal, yet fundimental acts such as killing and not being killed. Sure alot of the arts are mere shadows of what they use to be (like how most wushu was never the same after the 'Cultural Revolution') but there still exists some pure arts that hold both the physical and mental heritage intact. Many of these arts are Japanese, do to thier fairly recent shunning of feudal values, and they can provide a wealth of knowledge about conflict and conflict resolution that can't be studied in any other occupation/hobby. Think of Bruce Lee. He was in peak physical condition for most of his life, but that alone didn't make him a great fighter. Most people remember him from his movies, but few have ever read his books on martial philosophy which were the core to Jeet Kun Do's development.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Oct 16 2004, 05:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Oct 16 2004, 05:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [Rant] I am a <i>little</i> tired of the whole 'What good is it if I can't break bones with it?' - attitude. What is the practical application of soccer? Does a basketballer expect to knock people out with his slam-dunk? Folks, get this: Martial Arts are <i>sports</i>. If you visit a Dojo to learn good tricks for your next bar brawl, you shouldn't be there (nor should you be in the bar, for that matter). Practice them to stay fit (and fit you will be - I know Karateka who can jump one and a half meter into the air out of a dead stop), practice them to control your body, practice them for self-confidence and -discipline. If you practice them to get into fights, you deserve anything you get.
By the way, a word to those of you citing firearm experience in a similiar vein - wake up. I have every respect for shooting as a sport, but if you truly think that a gun is going to save you in a serious close combat situation, you are simply delusional. By all odds, it wouldn't save you, it would kill you. [/Rant] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Talk to the Israelis, they have an entire martial art including the Use of firearms
It's the deadliest and most practical use of martial arts known to man. Also one of the most deadliest since it actually trains you to kill the person. If you use force you go all the way.
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<!--QuoteBegin-UZi+Oct 17 2004, 12:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UZi @ Oct 17 2004, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Oct 16 2004, 05:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Oct 16 2004, 05:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [Rant] I am a <i>little</i> tired of the whole 'What good is it if I can't break bones with it?' - attitude. What is the practical application of soccer? Does a basketballer expect to knock people out with his slam-dunk? Folks, get this: Martial Arts are <i>sports</i>. If you visit a Dojo to learn good tricks for your next bar brawl, you shouldn't be there (nor should you be in the bar, for that matter). Practice them to stay fit (and fit you will be - I know Karateka who can jump one and a half meter into the air out of a dead stop), practice them to control your body, practice them for self-confidence and -discipline. If you practice them to get into fights, you deserve anything you get.
By the way, a word to those of you citing firearm experience in a similiar vein - wake up. I have every respect for shooting as a sport, but if you truly think that a gun is going to save you in a serious close combat situation, you are simply delusional. By all odds, it wouldn't save you, it would kill you. [/Rant] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Talk to the Israelis, they have an entire martial art including the Use of firearms
It's the deadliest and most practical use of martial arts known to man. Also one of the most deadliest since it actually trains you to kill the person. If you use force you go all the way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But then again that Martial Art was specificaly designed as/for a practical combat fighting style unlike the other martial arts which usualy entailed more mental and body conditioning and in some cases religous and other philosophical meanings.
kravmaga is also one of the ideal fighting styles used in disarming/turning your opponents weapon against themselves.
Another martial arts design specifically for actual practical hand to hand combat is Tukong Moosul. This is the fighting style that was developed specifically for the South Korean Special Forces.
As the below chart states, many martial arts are good for specific types of attacks and defensive moves/styles. Tukong Moosul basically has incorperated all of the best, most practical, and effective stances, moves into one single martial art and it is VERY effective.
Far Away Weapons approx. 4 ft. + Ninjitsu, Kung Fu, others
Kicking Foot Techniques approx. 3 ft. Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Muy Thai, Capoera, Kick Boxing, Sevant,
Punch/Strike Hand Techniques approx. 2 ft. Boxing, Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Muy Thai
Joint Strike Elbows/Knees/Head approx. 1 ft. Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Hapkido, Aikido, Muy Thai
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<!--QuoteBegin-Cpl.Davis+Oct 17 2004, 01:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpl.Davis @ Oct 17 2004, 01:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-UZi+Oct 17 2004, 12:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UZi @ Oct 17 2004, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Oct 16 2004, 05:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Oct 16 2004, 05:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [Rant] I am a <i>little</i> tired of the whole 'What good is it if I can't break bones with it?' - attitude. What is the practical application of soccer? Does a basketballer expect to knock people out with his slam-dunk? Folks, get this: Martial Arts are <i>sports</i>. If you visit a Dojo to learn good tricks for your next bar brawl, you shouldn't be there (nor should you be in the bar, for that matter). Practice them to stay fit (and fit you will be - I know Karateka who can jump one and a half meter into the air out of a dead stop), practice them to control your body, practice them for self-confidence and -discipline. If you practice them to get into fights, you deserve anything you get.
By the way, a word to those of you citing firearm experience in a similiar vein - wake up. I have every respect for shooting as a sport, but if you truly think that a gun is going to save you in a serious close combat situation, you are simply delusional. By all odds, it wouldn't save you, it would kill you. [/Rant] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Talk to the Israelis, they have an entire martial art including the Use of firearms
It's the deadliest and most practical use of martial arts known to man. Also one of the most deadliest since it actually trains you to kill the person. If you use force you go all the way. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But then again that Martial Art was specificaly designed as/for a practical combat fighting style unlike the other martial arts which usualy entailed more mental and body conditioning and in some cases religous and other philosophical meanings.
kravmaga is also one of the ideal fighting styles used in disarming/turning your opponents weapon against themselves.
Another martial arts design specifically for actual practical hand to hand combat is Tukong Moosul. This is the fighting style that was developed specifically for the South Korean Special Forces.
As the below chart states, many martial arts are good for specific types of attacks and defensive moves/styles. Tukong Moosul basically has incorperated all of the best, most practical, and effective stances, moves into one single martial art and it is VERY effective.
Far Away Weapons approx. 4 ft. + Ninjitsu, Kung Fu, others
Kicking Foot Techniques approx. 3 ft. Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Muy Thai, Capoera, Kick Boxing, Sevant,
Punch/Strike Hand Techniques approx. 2 ft. Boxing, Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Muy Thai
Joint Strike Elbows/Knees/Head approx. 1 ft. Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Hapkido, Aikido, Muy Thai
Ground Fighting Leverage/Manipulation Negative Distance Judo, Suma, Wrestling, Jujitsu <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've heard good things about Moonsul. It's South Korean is it not?
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edited October 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-UZi+Oct 17 2004, 01:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UZi @ Oct 17 2004, 01:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've heard good things about Moonsul. It's South Korean is it not?
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yes it was developed by south korea for south korean special forces like the black berets etc. its been around for a while now, I think maybe around the vietnam era not sure.
other units that use it are the 707 Special Missions Battalion. unlike other worlds special forces they train and use Female commando operators for missions where a male just wont do, such as covert and undercover stuff.
click here for info <a href='http://www.specwarnet.com/asia/707th.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.specwarnet.com/asia/707th.htm</a> or here for pics <a href='http://kish.pe.kr/8681st.htm' target='_blank'>http://kish.pe.kr/8681st.htm</a> <== they are modern day ninjas lol
but yea back on topic
when you talk about martial arts/fighting styles, there is a huge difference between them, not just style types but the styles purpose.
Police Extending Baton Defensive Tactics for example isnt for exersizing the mind and soul or keeping your body in shape, its for disarming/incapacitating an attacker. (and yes there is a whole style and method for using a police baton its not just random swinging...)
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripur+Oct 16 2004, 04:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ripur @ Oct 16 2004, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Oct 14 2004, 06:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Oct 14 2004, 06:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> this is why i am so looking forward to the Marine Corps martial arts program.. i want to learn all the most efficient methods of self defence and offense in actual modern hand to hand combat.. *droolish* <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Zig, unless you plan to continue into a covert-op type division (seals, green berret, force reacon, delta) or become an MP the best hand to hand training you'll get in the Marines or army is how to shoot someone with your pistol at 10 feet. The military expects you to use first your rifle, then your pistol, then a bayonet, finally hand to hand. Your hand to hand, while really practical, will not be a primary focus to make you a good brawler. The physical conditioning will give you a serious edge though, if the need arises. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Marines do have martial arts training... even regular army have martial arts training. It isn't very complicated and basicly just teaches you stuff you probably already know if you pay attention to any fight club or UFC media... stuff like don't throw heymakers, don't punch at the shoulders or arms, ways to keep a guy from slaughtering you if he gets you down, and how to properly protect yourself.
I'm fourth kyu in Yoseikan ryu Karate. That's purple with a white stripe. What colour belt someone is is fairly meaningless since every ryu is going to have a different belt system, but most seem to have ten kyus and then ten dans.
Anyway, while tournament fighting is based trying to hit people in certain places, but that doesn't mean you can't hit someone wherever you like in a real fight. Kihon (basics) and Kata are only part of Karate, there <i>is</i> Kumite (fighting) as well.
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<!--QuoteBegin-various gun nuts+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (various gun nuts)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I doent no matrial arts but guns pwn tehm LOL! kthxbie<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is not a debate about the most efficient way to kill someone. [violent flame self-censored]. Go away.
Personally I've done nothing but one of my friends is a black belt in karate and she has to carry a little liscence thing around with her saying that shes not allowed to kick the crap out of people unless its in self defence of herself or family.
She's not even allowed to use it to defend me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Oct 17 2004, 03:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Oct 17 2004, 03:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Kage bushin no jutsu! ....*cough* sorry.
I'm fourth kyu in Yoseikan ryu Karate. That's purple with a white stripe. What colour belt someone is is fairly meaningless since every ryu is going to have a different belt system, but most seem to have ten kyus and then ten dans.
Anyway, while tournament fighting is based trying to hit people in certain places, but that doesn't mean you can't hit someone wherever you like in a real fight. Kihon (basics) and Kata are only part of Karate, there <i>is</i> Kumite (fighting) as well.
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<!--QuoteBegin-various gun nuts+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (various gun nuts)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I doent no matrial arts but guns pwn tehm LOL! kthxbie<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is not a debate about the most efficient way to kill someone. [violent flame self-censored]. Go away. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Its not about being allowed to hit people wherever you want, its based on fact, fact dictates that hitting people in the arms, sholders, chest or what not, is not going to do alot of damage, and it is therefore much better to hit for the head face or various weak regions.
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took about a year of fencing, which didnt work for me. now im taking kendo, which isnt very fun either.
to be honest, many martial arts are next to useless unles youre REALLY good. thinks like capeoira (sp) and kung fu are cool looking, but thats it. the true fighting techniques are wrestling/boxing/thai kick boxing as well as grappling arts like hapkido. the minute you pick them up, you really learn something
Although, I took nearly 2 1/2 years of TaeKwonDo, which was pretty much useless.
If you want, you can take the martial arts for exercise, though, they have some neat techniques for exercising, which will help you a lot. I mean, doesn't punching and kicking come naturally? What exactly do they teach you that's useful? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The funny thing is, thats exactly what Bruce Lee preached against for a long time. Its better than the old days where they didn't touch each other at all, and they wore full pads.... Yea BL is sorta a hero of mine. "No way as way, having no limitation as limitation.". He wanted people to stop focusing on 'ok now after I do this punch, I go into this stance and throw another punch..' He realized that would NEVER work. His 'style' was adapting, not being limited by a 'form'. If someone stepped into an open position, he would hit them regardless if it broke some sort of 'rule'.
Its sad really that martial arts are being reduced to crap like the 'Extreme Martial Arts' tournaments where idiots swing swords in movements that are 100% non-combat feasible, throwing them in the air spinning while morons look on going 'OOOOH AHHH'. -- Another thing BL preached. If its not useful in combat, don't bother learning it.
frankenstein, bodybuilding is not a martial art.
Pronunciation: 'mär-sh&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin martialis of Mars, from Mart-, Mars
1 : of, relating to, or suited for war or a warrior
2 : relating to an army or to military life
3 : experienced in or inclined to war : WARLIKE
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Pronunciation: 'mär-sh&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin martialis of Mars, from Mart-, Mars
1 : of, relating to, or suited for war or a warrior
2 : relating to an army or to military life
3 : experienced in or inclined to war : WARLIKE
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Exactly.
Actually I'm intersted in Neo-ninjitsu because it combines the same old techniques that kick **** and allow you to be a sneaky assasin but instead of training with an an arrow&bow or some throwing weapon they train you in riflemanship and pistol combat. Crazy stuff.
Just because you can shoot doesn't mean you can hit. In all likelyhood a smart martial arts trained assasin won't let you have the advantage of range. Take the rifle out and they break your arm, shoot your buddy and then break you f-ing neck by rotating you head like a bar stool before you have time to scream. My only point in the guns are not equal to hand to hand combat was that martial arts cannot ignore the fact of guns, but all modern serious styles now teach you techniques to disarm the attacker and some like Neo-ninjitsu have combined riflemanship with traditional ninjitsu.
My biggest complaint is that thanks to insulting shows like Power Rangers there has been influx in kiddies wanting to learn karate. Thus the spawn of the "take you dough" schools which just take your money to be nothing really more than a day care center. Karate cannot be gentle and casual. If I had no self-control I would surely beat the **** out of every brat who thinks they knwo karate. What good is it to know the general motions if you cannot execute the technique like you mean it to save your life. No, if I ever decide to go back to a a dojo on a regular basis I want it to be serious and with no kids. It is really quite insulting to me and other serious karatemen and karatewomen to see the art commercialized and turned into a "day care" or a "health club." What the ****! Absolutely repulsive.
His dojo closed becuase he was going through a bitter devource. a damn shame becuase any style is good if you have an instructor that understnads it.
<a href='http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/martial.html' target='_blank'>http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/martial.html</a>
Its only when the firearm user is an idiot- but remember, were in America, land of the idiots!
I started that at 4, when I first beat Zelda. Continued to improve my skill until I moved to Comp Chair Status.
How many belts are there? And what belt do Ken and Ryu have? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I"m using the X square X square triangle circle R2+L2 square triangle variant.
Its only when the firearm user is an idiot- but remember, were in America, land of the idiots! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, see the thing is when using deadly force, make sure it's deadly force.
Zig, unless you plan to continue into a covert-op type division (seals, green berret, force reacon, delta) or become an MP the best hand to hand training you'll get in the Marines or army is how to shoot someone with your pistol at 10 feet.
The military expects you to use first your rifle, then your pistol, then a bayonet, finally hand to hand. Your hand to hand, while really practical, will not be a primary focus to make you a good brawler. The physical conditioning will give you a serious edge though, if the need arises.
Black Belt in Tae-Kwon-Do
Traditional Korean styles as well as Modern Korean Style
For Job
Police Defensive Tactics
Defensive Tactics with Expanding Baton
Folks, get this: Martial Arts are <i>sports</i>. If you visit a Dojo to learn good tricks for your next bar brawl, you shouldn't be there (nor should you be in the bar, for that matter). Practice them to stay fit (and fit you will be - I know Karateka who can jump one and a half meter into the air out of a dead stop), practice them to control your body, practice them for self-confidence and -discipline. If you practice them to get into fights, you deserve anything you get.
By the way, a word to those of you citing firearm experience in a similiar vein - wake up. I have every respect for shooting as a sport, but if you truly think that a gun is going to save you in a serious close combat situation, you are simply delusional. By all odds, it wouldn't save you, it would kill you. [/Rant]
Think of Bruce Lee. He was in peak physical condition for most of his life, but that alone didn't make him a great fighter. Most people remember him from his movies, but few have ever read his books on martial philosophy which were the core to Jeet Kun Do's development.
Folks, get this: Martial Arts are <i>sports</i>. If you visit a Dojo to learn good tricks for your next bar brawl, you shouldn't be there (nor should you be in the bar, for that matter). Practice them to stay fit (and fit you will be - I know Karateka who can jump one and a half meter into the air out of a dead stop), practice them to control your body, practice them for self-confidence and -discipline. If you practice them to get into fights, you deserve anything you get.
By the way, a word to those of you citing firearm experience in a similiar vein - wake up. I have every respect for shooting as a sport, but if you truly think that a gun is going to save you in a serious close combat situation, you are simply delusional. By all odds, it wouldn't save you, it would kill you. [/Rant] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Talk to the Israelis, they have an entire martial art including the Use of firearms
<a href='http://www.kravmaga.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.kravmaga.com/</a>
It's the deadliest and most practical use of martial arts known to man. Also one of the most deadliest since it actually trains you to kill the person. If you use force you go all the way.
Folks, get this: Martial Arts are <i>sports</i>. If you visit a Dojo to learn good tricks for your next bar brawl, you shouldn't be there (nor should you be in the bar, for that matter). Practice them to stay fit (and fit you will be - I know Karateka who can jump one and a half meter into the air out of a dead stop), practice them to control your body, practice them for self-confidence and -discipline. If you practice them to get into fights, you deserve anything you get.
By the way, a word to those of you citing firearm experience in a similiar vein - wake up. I have every respect for shooting as a sport, but if you truly think that a gun is going to save you in a serious close combat situation, you are simply delusional. By all odds, it wouldn't save you, it would kill you. [/Rant] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Talk to the Israelis, they have an entire martial art including the Use of firearms
<a href='http://www.kravmaga.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.kravmaga.com/</a>
It's the deadliest and most practical use of martial arts known to man. Also one of the most deadliest since it actually trains you to kill the person. If you use force you go all the way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But then again that Martial Art was specificaly designed as/for a practical combat fighting style unlike the other martial arts which usualy entailed more mental and body conditioning and in some cases religous and other philosophical meanings.
kravmaga is also one of the ideal fighting styles used in disarming/turning your opponents weapon against themselves.
Another martial arts design specifically for actual practical hand to hand combat is Tukong Moosul. This is the fighting style that was developed specifically for the South Korean Special Forces.
As the below chart states, many martial arts are good for specific types of attacks and defensive moves/styles. Tukong Moosul basically has incorperated all of the best, most practical, and effective stances, moves into one single martial art and it is VERY effective.
Far Away
Weapons
approx. 4 ft. +
Ninjitsu, Kung Fu, others
Kicking
Foot Techniques
approx. 3 ft.
Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Muy Thai, Capoera, Kick Boxing, Sevant,
Punch/Strike
Hand Techniques
approx. 2 ft.
Boxing, Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Muy Thai
Joint Strike
Elbows/Knees/Head
approx. 1 ft.
Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Hapkido, Aikido, Muy Thai
Throw
Grabs/Body Leverage
approx. 0 ft.
Judo, Suma, Sumo, Wrestling, Jujitsu
Ground Fighting
Leverage/Manipulation
Negative Distance
Judo, Suma, Wrestling, Jujitsu
Folks, get this: Martial Arts are <i>sports</i>. If you visit a Dojo to learn good tricks for your next bar brawl, you shouldn't be there (nor should you be in the bar, for that matter). Practice them to stay fit (and fit you will be - I know Karateka who can jump one and a half meter into the air out of a dead stop), practice them to control your body, practice them for self-confidence and -discipline. If you practice them to get into fights, you deserve anything you get.
By the way, a word to those of you citing firearm experience in a similiar vein - wake up. I have every respect for shooting as a sport, but if you truly think that a gun is going to save you in a serious close combat situation, you are simply delusional. By all odds, it wouldn't save you, it would kill you. [/Rant] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Talk to the Israelis, they have an entire martial art including the Use of firearms
<a href='http://www.kravmaga.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.kravmaga.com/</a>
It's the deadliest and most practical use of martial arts known to man. Also one of the most deadliest since it actually trains you to kill the person. If you use force you go all the way. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But then again that Martial Art was specificaly designed as/for a practical combat fighting style unlike the other martial arts which usualy entailed more mental and body conditioning and in some cases religous and other philosophical meanings.
kravmaga is also one of the ideal fighting styles used in disarming/turning your opponents weapon against themselves.
Another martial arts design specifically for actual practical hand to hand combat is Tukong Moosul. This is the fighting style that was developed specifically for the South Korean Special Forces.
As the below chart states, many martial arts are good for specific types of attacks and defensive moves/styles. Tukong Moosul basically has incorperated all of the best, most practical, and effective stances, moves into one single martial art and it is VERY effective.
Far Away
Weapons
approx. 4 ft. +
Ninjitsu, Kung Fu, others
Kicking
Foot Techniques
approx. 3 ft.
Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Muy Thai, Capoera, Kick Boxing, Sevant,
Punch/Strike
Hand Techniques
approx. 2 ft.
Boxing, Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Muy Thai
Joint Strike
Elbows/Knees/Head
approx. 1 ft.
Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kung Fu, Hapkido, Aikido, Muy Thai
Throw
Grabs/Body Leverage
approx. 0 ft.
Judo, Suma, Sumo, Wrestling, Jujitsu
Ground Fighting
Leverage/Manipulation
Negative Distance
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I've heard good things about Moonsul. It's South Korean is it not?
I've heard good things about Moonsul. It's South Korean is it not?
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yes it was developed by south korea for south korean special forces
like the black berets etc. its been around for a while now, I think maybe around the vietnam era not sure.
other units that use it are the 707 Special Missions Battalion. unlike other worlds special forces they train and use Female commando operators for missions where a male just wont do, such as covert and undercover stuff.
click here for info
<a href='http://www.specwarnet.com/asia/707th.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.specwarnet.com/asia/707th.htm</a>
or here for pics
<a href='http://kish.pe.kr/8681st.htm' target='_blank'>http://kish.pe.kr/8681st.htm</a> <== they are modern day ninjas lol
but yea back on topic
when you talk about martial arts/fighting styles, there is a huge difference between them, not just style types but the styles purpose.
Police Extending Baton Defensive Tactics for example isnt for exersizing the mind and soul or keeping your body in shape, its for disarming/incapacitating an attacker. (and yes there is a whole style and method for using a police baton its not just random swinging...)
Zig, unless you plan to continue into a covert-op type division (seals, green berret, force reacon, delta) or become an MP the best hand to hand training you'll get in the Marines or army is how to shoot someone with your pistol at 10 feet.
The military expects you to use first your rifle, then your pistol, then a bayonet, finally hand to hand. Your hand to hand, while really practical, will not be a primary focus to make you a good brawler. The physical conditioning will give you a serious edge though, if the need arises. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Marines do have martial arts training... even regular army have martial arts training. It isn't very complicated and basicly just teaches you stuff you probably already know if you pay attention to any fight club or UFC media... stuff like don't throw heymakers, don't punch at the shoulders or arms, ways to keep a guy from slaughtering you if he gets you down, and how to properly protect yourself.
I'm fourth kyu in Yoseikan ryu Karate. That's purple with a white stripe. What colour belt someone is is fairly meaningless since every ryu is going to have a different belt system, but most seem to have ten kyus and then ten dans.
Anyway, while tournament fighting is based trying to hit people in certain places, but that doesn't mean you can't hit someone wherever you like in a real fight. Kihon (basics) and Kata are only part of Karate, there <i>is</i> Kumite (fighting) as well.
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This is not a debate about the most efficient way to kill someone. [violent flame self-censored]. Go away.
She's not even allowed to use it to defend me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm fourth kyu in Yoseikan ryu Karate. That's purple with a white stripe. What colour belt someone is is fairly meaningless since every ryu is going to have a different belt system, but most seem to have ten kyus and then ten dans.
Anyway, while tournament fighting is based trying to hit people in certain places, but that doesn't mean you can't hit someone wherever you like in a real fight. Kihon (basics) and Kata are only part of Karate, there <i>is</i> Kumite (fighting) as well.
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<!--QuoteBegin-various gun nuts+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (various gun nuts)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I doent no matrial arts but guns pwn tehm LOL! kthxbie<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is not a debate about the most efficient way to kill someone. [violent flame self-censored]. Go away. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Its not about being allowed to hit people wherever you want, its based on fact, fact dictates that hitting people in the arms, sholders, chest or what not, is not going to do alot of damage, and it is therefore much better to hit for the head face or various weak regions.