What Do You Do Against A Disruptful Player?

Scolecite · October 2004

<span style='color:white'>Snip.</span>, Is the kind of player that 45 min into a classic game, he switches from aliens then recycles the whole marine base thus ending the game.

What do you do against these types?

I was powerless.

<span style='color:white'>No finger-pointing, please.</span>

DragonMech · October 2004

The NS.org forums has a rule against posting a person's SteamID like this. If you have an issue with a player, take it up with the admins of the server you were on.

That_Annoying_Kid · October 2004

well, demo's are always a good thing as the NSF has a no slander policy

but what I would do against a llama if I have admin access is bury and slap till the cows come home, but if they do stupid stuff like rage or recyle it would be kicked then banned

XCan · October 2004

For all we know you could be **** at someone and want to get them into trouble. So please don't post IDs in here.

ps. It's was a hypothesis, I'm not saying you're lying though.

KaMiKaZe1 · October 2004

Let the server's admins deal with it, report it to them. If the server has no admins, it is a poor server and you should play elsewhere.

the_x5 · October 2004

<span style='color:white'>Did I ever mention that <b>you are not a mod</b>? I'm sure I did.</span>

Zaggy · October 2004

Hmm indeed NS is very exposed to lamers, hopping in the Chair is easy, selling all is easy too...

Brainstorm people!
What can we do against this?

Except for banning every1 that does this ofcourse...

BobTheJanitor · October 2004

Any game with more than one player is prone to lamers. This has been true since the days of old when, no doubt, a caveman got fed up with losing at some version of proto-chess and tipped the board over on the floor, breaking all the pieces. Any time you rely on others to take part in a game in order to play it properly, you open up a path to these kinds of problems. I don't know any solution except the obvious: watchful admins keeping tabs on everyone and banning the lamers until there are no lamers left to ban.

DC_Darkling · October 2004

recycle?
2 week ban

Droggog · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scolecite @ Oct 21 2004, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>What do you do against these types?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
If theres no admins around ...

First, he cant enter the comm chair if theres already a comm sitting in there (could be you). If he does, you could always make a script like this;

alias OMGEJECT "impulse 6;wait;say_team BASE RECYCLER ALERT!! EJECT HIM FTW!!"
bind x OMGEJECT

on bs0 servers, of course <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Kwil · October 2004

I see if he sticks around on the server. If he does, I leave.

Pretty easy.

SiDSquishy · October 2004

What he did isn't bad in some situations...

Raistlin6 · October 2004

The more interesting Question here is why had the Rine Team no Commander ?
If they had a Commander there would no option to switch the Team and recycle the Base. I think that this man had done the right think.

Wake · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Raistlin666 @ Oct 22 2004, 04:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The more interesting Question here is why had the Rine Team no Commander ?
If they had a Commander there would no option to switch the Team and recycle the Base. I think that this man had done the right think.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Huh ? How can you tell ?
Sometimes comm logout to build or equip ...

Moreover, 1 player has no right to judge for the team.

Unless agreed by the team recycling is a bannable offense.

TOmekki · October 2004

depends on situation.

figure out exactly what happened and in what circumstances. then talk to the guy, if he's cooperative you can propably work it out so he won't do it again. if he's a smack then give a stern warning, and only once.

remember it's just a game :o

cortex · October 2004

there is nothing you can do to stop this kind of thing happening, if you arent
a) an admin
b) prepared to demo the person

in every aspect of your living life there will always be someone who wants to disrupt everyone else, usually for a cheap laugh or something equally selfish.

There will always be lamers no matter where you go the only fail proof method of reducing your contact with lamers is to leave the server.

TBH <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Axel_Stone · October 2004

Typically when I see it I take into account why it was done. Honestly... every time it was just a lamer, but I have seen times where someone recycles the IP accidently and doesnt notice, ect ect. Everyone was like OMG BAN BAN. I typically remember someone for a little while. I have no qualms if it is thier personality to permaban them. I dont think its right for players/clans to take the attitude its ok to ruin peoples fun for thier amusement.

jammno · October 2004

Probably had a good reason for mass recycle.

1) Comm was probably comm chair blocking.
2) Server was a <span style='color:white'>Search yourself a sensible curseword.</span> server forcing pubs to play like a clan.
3) Abusive admins spamming their allsay or some other thing.

I only do it if it's #2.

Seriously, servers that force pubs to play in unison deserve it. They also get a good trolling at their forums. >:)

"OMG! WHO DROPPED SENSORY???!!/"
"IT WUZ JAMMNO! OMG KILL TEH CHAMBARS ADN MAEK DEFUNSE!!!!111"
"Okay, fine. I'll get my revenge later. Defense chamber nub."
*Next match*
*I'm comm. Marines are winning by a lot. So bad they could walk in the hive and win with LMG's almost.*
"This is what you get for not letting me go sensory first."
*Recycles everything but observatory.*
*Beacons all resources away, recycles observatory, and ammo spams some random area.*
"Hey aliens. Come own us. I recycled everything."
"OMG BANZOR!"

I've seen players (And server admins.) get angry over the old comm chair block. Number three is basically a "first-timer" admin and just wants to have fun with being the "big man" or using stuff like noclip in heated matches.

This guy probably had a good reason for mass recycling. Don't be so quick to point the finger.

Drummer · October 2004

i have a simple solution. if i notice that base is getting a massive "reconfigureing" then i kill myself and watch base. if the suspect is doing a mass recycle, perma-ban, no warning, no kick, just perma-ban. im not gonna take that kind of crap on my server. do it once, you aint never comin back. go find some other server to play on, cause i have plenty of cool people that play on mine, and i dont care

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /> recyclers

comrade · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (drummerman109 @ Oct 22 2004, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i have a simple solution. if i notice that base is getting a massive "reconfigureing" then i kill myself and watch base. if the suspect is doing a mass recycle, perma-ban, no warning, no kick, just perma-ban. im not gonna take that kind of crap on my server. do it once, you aint never comin back. go find some other server to play on, cause i have plenty of cool people that play on mine, and i dont care

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /> recyclers  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
You find it fun if the marines are holed up in base with massive chamber spam on both sides being camped by aliens? I don't.

Ollj · October 2004

If the whole marine base was only their spawn, surrounded by all alien classes, for the last 5 minutes the comm HAS TO recyle the own base slowly to use the res for "disresss-beacon-onos-food".

I prefer a funny end to a neverending pain.
Theres no better end than an end with 12 distress beacons.

Drummer · October 2004

well, i was implying that this was not the situation. in this case, if theres a possibility of making a comeback, then yeah, i'll seige the buildings and at least make an effort, but if we dont have res, then yeah, in that case, recycling is ok.

Sky · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (jammno @ Oct 22 2004, 08:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Probably had a good reason for mass recycle.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Oh this ought to be good.....mkay, let's hear your rationalizations.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>1) Comm was probably comm chair blocking.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Err....what? Yes, because recycling the marine's base is a suitable way to handle that situation. First of all, it's up to an admin to decide whether or not com chair blocking is legal. Period. It's not your job; you are not your servers moral compass, and by the looks of the rest of your post I'm going to say you don't look like you could serve as <u>anyone's</u> moral compass.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>2) Server was a <span style='color:white'>Search yourself a sensible curseword.</span> server forcing pubs to play like a clan.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Well, this gets another, "Whaaaat?" from me. How exactly does a server force a pub player to play like a clan player? They somehow "force" the players to be better? Or is it that the admins demand that the players play <i>together</i>, as a team, which incidentally is the primary difference between clan and pub play, beyond the obvious difference in experience levels.
So, how the hell is this punishable by recycling the base? Moreover, how is this even punishable? It's a downright GOOD admin who kicks players who refuse to play with their teammates (at this point I'm guessing you're one of those players).

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>3) Abusive admins spamming their allsay or some other thing.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

That's your definition of abusive admin? I don't even notice the frickin allsay most of the time; there are much much worse things an admin could do to be labelled "abusive". And guess what, by recycling the base, YOU AREN'T PUNISHING THE ADMIN, YOU'RE PUNISHING THE REST OF THE PUBBERS. Seriously, what did the rest of the marines do to warrant you completely screwing over the game?

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I only do it if it's #2.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Right.....if you're trying to convince people of your position, portraying yourself as the idiot lamer or annoying rambo is not going to help you. IMO. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Seriously, servers that force pubs to play in unison deserve it. They also get a good trolling at their forums. >:)</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Oh okay, so you just like being a nuisance wherever you go. I thought you just had a grudge against the server or something, but it's just your base personality.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>"OMG! WHO DROPPED SENSORY???!!/"
"IT WUZ JAMMNO! OMG KILL TEH CHAMBARS ADN MAEK DEFUNSE!!!!111"
"Okay, fine. I'll get my revenge later. Defense chamber nub."
</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
How about playing with your team, eh? Did you even bother to ask and/or convince them to try sensory first? I'm 100% sure you didn't; don't even try to lecture me on the benefits of sensory early game vs defense, because you don't care yourself. You drop sensory specifically to be a pest and laugh when the other players call you out on it. I bet you proceed to call them all nubs for arguing with you, right? Yeah.....nubs > lamers. Always. I'll play with a new player, it's the people who are idiots because they WANT to be that **** me off.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>*Next match*
*I'm comm. Marines are winning by a lot. So bad they could walk in the hive and win with LMG's almost.*
"This is what you get for not letting me go sensory first."
*Recycles everything but observatory.*
*Beacons all resources away, recycles observatory, and ammo spams some random area.*
"Hey aliens. Come own us. I recycled everything."
"OMG BANZOR!"</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

I love how you portray the people protesting your actions as CS kiddies or something. Classy. Especially since it's YOU I would be most annoyed with if I was playing on that server.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I've seen players (And server admins.) get angry over the old comm chair block. Number three is basically a "first-timer" admin and just wants to have fun with being the "big man" or using stuff like noclip in heated matches.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

And obviously the only way to deal with them is to ruin the game. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>This guy probably had a good reason for mass recycling. Don't be so quick to point the finger.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

There is _never_ a good reason to destroy a game. If you don't like how the game is turning out or if you dislike your teammates, leave. Just leave. Is there a particular reason why you'd rather be a jack **** than leave? Oh right, the whole e-**** contest that comes with online gaming, I forgot.

Drummer · October 2004

hmmm, my anger detector just exploded...

DC_Darkling · October 2004

I'm admin on a NS server (not main admin though)
We do 2 week bans for base recycle. Why?
There is NO good reason to just recycle.

Sure, if theres a stalemate going on for the last 30 min and the entire team agrees, go ahead, recycle. NEVER ever recycle without the go from most of your team.

NS is a teamgame, never deside all things alone, especially something this big, cause it ends the current match. Maybe you hated it, but if the entire team liked it, you just ruined alot for alot of ppl.

So unless you have the go from atleast half the team, do NOT recycle. or you should get 2 week banned.

IBT · October 2004

in this case... i useually say "WTH? dont do that again, it can get you banned, and it ruins the fun for everyone." and it really depends on what the other guy says and does if......

1. he agrees never to do it again, and dosent, who cares? problem solved...
2. if hes a total moron and decides to look more like an ****, i take his SteamID and pass it along to the admin, and the tricky part is, I dont say anything else! the funny part is that he useually gest annoyed more like that.

really, just be quiet, and pass his id to the owner of the server. when you see him.

Alkiller · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moomin. @ Oct 22 2004, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (drummerman109 @ Oct 22 2004, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i have a simple solution. if i notice that base is getting a massive "reconfigureing" then i kill myself and watch base. if the suspect is doing a mass recycle, perma-ban, no warning, no kick, just perma-ban. im not gonna take that kind of crap on my server. do it once, you aint never comin back. go find some other server to play on, cause i have plenty of cool people that play on mine, and i dont care

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /> recyclers </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You find it fun if the marines are holed up in base with massive chamber spam on both sides being camped by aliens? I don't.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I'll recycle base if my marines are about to be overrun (as in a few onii in base about to kill a spawning marine. I tend to not like my marines having no chance and dying), or if aliens are just extending the game.

But I always hope for a completely stupid relocation, LIKE ONE INTO A VENT! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Sky · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Alkiller @ Oct 22 2004, 07:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moomin. @ Oct 22 2004, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (drummerman109 @ Oct 22 2004, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i have a simple solution. if i notice that base is getting a massive "reconfigureing" then i kill myself and watch base. if the suspect is doing a mass recycle, perma-ban, no warning, no kick, just perma-ban. im not gonna take that kind of crap on my server. do it once, you aint never comin back. go find some other server to play on, cause i have plenty of cool people that play on mine, and i dont care

<img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /> recyclers </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You find it fun if the marines are holed up in base with massive chamber spam on both sides being camped by aliens? I don't. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I'll recycle base if my marines are about to be overrun (as in a few onii in base about to kill a spawning marine. I tend to not like my marines having no chance and dying), or if aliens are just extending the game.

But I always hope for a completely stupid relocation, LIKE ONE INTO A VENT! <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Yeah, that or alamoing at the end of the game is always fun. <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

falloutx2 · October 2004

If he recycled the entire base, its fairly easy to see in the server logs. All the structures are suddenly gone along with screams of protest from the marines.

That kind of behavior is generally just a temp ban.

TOmekki · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Oct 22 2004, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Alkiller @ Oct 22 2004, 07:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moomin. @ Oct 22 2004, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (drummerman109 @ Oct 22 2004, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i have a simple solution. if i notice that base is getting a massive "reconfigureing" then i kill myself and watch base. if the suspect is doing a mass recycle, perma-ban, no warning, no kick, just perma-ban. im not gonna take that kind of crap on my server. do it once, you aint never comin back. go find some other server to play on, cause i have plenty of cool people that play on mine, and i dont care

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /> recyclers </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You find it fun if the marines are holed up in base with massive chamber spam on both sides being camped by aliens? I don't. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I'll recycle base if my marines are about to be overrun (as in a few onii in base about to kill a spawning marine. I tend to not like my marines having no chance and dying), or if aliens are just extending the game.

But I always hope for a completely stupid relocation, LIKE ONE INTO A VENT! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yeah, that or alamoing at the end of the game is always fun. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
wrong, it isnt :O

if i see my base full of aliens, the respawn queu full and the obs is gone, i sell everything and jump out. no point in spending another half a minute watching the fades kill everything else first, then the ip's.

Acidophilus · October 2004

Disruptful players.. do they include:

Commanders who refuse to scan a hive room, despite the continual request for them by teammates?

Usually a simple eject works fine.

If the disruptful player was com from the start and recycles everything, well, its always good to start afresh, no need to play for 1 hour when you know you are going to lose...

What about those players who just res **** as aliens? Are they not disruptive?
Especially when they do not say anything for the entire map.

Could OC on the IP be a form of disruptive gameplay?

What about "shacking" (i'm not familiar with the term but from my knowledge..), which involves hiding in an obscure vent with about 5 DC and stay hiding while your teammates sit there watching you "bleep... bleep" and heal.?

Can't do much really.. Natural-selection needs a vote-kick command.
Or maybe a "vote kick from team" command?
or "vote kill" command?
or vote_no_gorge" ??
vote_nocommand ??

What Do You Do Against A Disruptful Player?

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