I don't consider this a cheat, but it's definitely an exploit. Realize that any skills you get while using these special binds or models will be thrown out the window in any competitive environment because they won't be allowed. Tournament rules don't allow custom binds and they'll enforce model consistency.
You can learn to play NS, or you can learn to play your own version of NS, it's your choice.
<!--QuoteBegin--Relic25+Nov 6 2002, 11:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Relic25 @ Nov 6 2002, 11:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Who cares? How about the artists, modelers, animators, and coders who worked so hard and put forth such creative effort to make something, only to have it tossed out or over-ridden by someone just because it doesn't agree with them 100%. I guess all that counts for nothing. That's really too bad. Makes me not want to ever make another thing for anyone as far as gaming goes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Im Sorry, but that is a pretty stupid comment to make when your defending your statements.
Natural Selection was not made from scratch, Half-life models were altered, twisted, shrunk and grown, the engine was altered and the gameplay changed, but it is still a Half Life modification, so saying that artists and modelers, animators and coders are upset over this is like saying that Natural Selection is wrong in itself.
Just remember, you didnt make the engine, you altered it to fit your needs, just as those who play this game will alter it how they will.
<!--QuoteBegin--Joker_Ni+Nov 7 2002, 09:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Joker_Ni @ Nov 7 2002, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Natural Selection was not made from scratch, Half-life models were altered, twisted, shrunk and grown, the engine was altered and the gameplay changed, but it is still a Half Life modification, so saying that artists and modelers, animators and coders are upset over this is like saying that Natural Selection is wrong in itself.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Um...what? No halflife models touched the hands of the NS artists, thanks very much. There was no "altering, twisting" etc. of any halflife models. Every model and texture was created completely from scratch for Natural Selection.
And yeah, we are technically a "mod". But the amount of work Flayra has done to completely revamp the existing structure to something totally new begs the question, "at what point does a mod become it's own game?" All of the models, textures, sounds, music, etc., from the existing half life game have been completely replaced by our own.
Look around at the games that have been packaged and put on the shelves for sale. A majority of them licensed engines from other games. Half life itself was built on the Quake engine. Would you call Half Life just a modification?
uh oh, looks like the mod team will have truble with their consistency test.
consistency test usually checks size of mdl file, general dimensions of model, origins, along with attached skins.
consistency test checks animations as well (which was all i changed in this model)
however it's VERY EASY (easier than killing a blind baby with broken legs) to fool the consistency test when it comes to animations
cheats are essentially exploited exploits, whether it be exploits in code or graphical visuals.
i don't want to seem like an evil haxor who uses my skillz to foil the balance of this mod
note the model in question hasn't left my hard drive (yet)
im trying to make a decision based on your guys' arguments
you are welcome to bribe me with several cans of catfood (no liver flavour, me and my cat hate that stuff, however i would love to taste the 'fillet of onos' flavour)
Slightly off-topic here, but when I first started CS, I had a Celeron 400, 1.2gb HDD and no 3D card. Well, I was virtually forced to use r_drawviewmodel 0 to try and keep my FPS above 10. Then I got a PC that could handle the game fine (75fps constant with v-sync on) but I just <i>couldn't</i> play with gun models on.
Why? I don't know. I think I find them distracting and just like it the way I played for so long. Now, when it comes to NS, I'd really love to play with models off, but I'm kind of forced to leave them on. It's quite annoying <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->CONSISTANCY CHEACKS ARE **obscenity** IF THEY GET PUT ON I WILL NEVER PLAY AGAIN<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Brilliant. Absolutly brilliant. Unfortunatly for you, no offense or anything, but I don't really care if you do play.
As for this topic.
whiskas, if you were trying to create a fire, you've dont a very good job. This one's getting out of hand. Everyone step back and take a deep breath, and then continue the fight in PMs if you want.
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You can learn to play NS, or you can learn to play your own version of NS, it's your choice.
Im Sorry, but that is a pretty stupid comment to make when your defending your statements.
Natural Selection was not made from scratch, Half-life models were altered, twisted, shrunk and grown, the engine was altered and the gameplay changed, but it is still a Half Life modification, so saying that artists and modelers, animators and coders are upset over this is like saying that Natural Selection is wrong in itself.
Just remember, you didnt make the engine, you altered it to fit your needs, just as those who play this game will alter it how they will.
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Um...what? No halflife models touched the hands of the NS artists, thanks very much. There was no "altering, twisting" etc. of any halflife models. Every model and texture was created completely from scratch for Natural Selection.
And yeah, we are technically a "mod". But the amount of work Flayra has done to completely revamp the existing structure to something totally new begs the question, "at what point does a mod become it's own game?" All of the models, textures, sounds, music, etc., from the existing half life game have been completely replaced by our own.
Look around at the games that have been packaged and put on the shelves for sale. A majority of them licensed engines from other games. Half life itself was built on the Quake engine. Would you call Half Life just a modification?
consistency test usually checks size of mdl file, general dimensions of model, origins, along with attached skins.
consistency test checks animations as well (which was all i changed in this model)
however it's VERY EASY (easier than killing a blind baby with broken legs) to fool the consistency test when it comes to animations
cheats are essentially exploited exploits, whether it be exploits in code or graphical visuals.
i don't want to seem like an evil haxor who uses my skillz to foil the balance of this mod
note the model in question hasn't left my hard drive (yet)
im trying to make a decision based on your guys' arguments
you are welcome to bribe me with several cans of catfood (no liver flavour, me and my cat hate that stuff, however i would love to taste the 'fillet of onos' flavour)
Why? I don't know. I think I find them distracting and just like it the way I played for so long. Now, when it comes to NS, I'd really love to play with models off, but I'm kind of forced to leave them on. It's quite annoying <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Brilliant. Absolutly brilliant. Unfortunatly for you, no offense or anything, but I don't really care if you do play.
As for this topic.
whiskas, if you were trying to create a fire, you've dont a very good job. This one's getting out of hand. Everyone step back and take a deep breath, and then continue the fight in PMs if you want.