As far as I'm concerned, me being a christian doesnt affect my views on people. My views on people are interpreted by how they treat me as a person. I couldnt care if you were athiest, buddist, catholic, or something else. you are still a human being and im going to treat you as such.
<!--QuoteBegin-Recoup+Oct 31 2004, 11:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Recoup @ Oct 31 2004, 11:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As far as I'm concerned, me being a christian doesnt affect my views on people. My views on people are interpreted by how they treat me as a person. I couldnt care if you were athiest, buddist, catholic, or something else. you are still a human being and im going to treat you as such. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's great to be able to say that, but just from the fact that your interpritation of people is achived though the way they treat you, you prove that you inately belive yourself to better than them anyways, I mean if your not better then them why should they treat you so nicely? Not to say there is anything wrong with that, to be an effective human being in our culture is to have a superiority complex, at very least on the sub concious level. The fact is, that the more people agree with you the higher you can look on them as an equal, simply because it doesn't create conflicts with the human superiority belifes. I agree with you that all people should be treated like human beings compleatly, but to be treated like a human being is not nessicarily to be treated like an equal, or at very least definately not like an equal on all levels.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 31 2004, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 31 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Windelkron+Oct 31 2004, 06:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Oct 31 2004, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Christianity teaches tolerance and compassion (afaik) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're absolutly correct here. But those concepts aren't concepts that belong in a loving relationship though, expecially compassion. A relationship is between two equals, and if one member needs to be taking compassion on the other member, it isn't good grounds to start the relationship on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Note that both parties in the relationship don't matter; it's the friends (outside the relationship) that are exhibiting intolerance.
<!--QuoteBegin-(e)kent+Nov 1 2004, 01:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ((e)kent @ Nov 1 2004, 01:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 31 2004, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 31 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Windelkron+Oct 31 2004, 06:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Oct 31 2004, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Christianity teaches tolerance and compassion (afaik) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're absolutly correct here. But those concepts aren't concepts that belong in a loving relationship though, expecially compassion. A relationship is between two equals, and if one member needs to be taking compassion on the other member, it isn't good grounds to start the relationship on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Note that both parties in the relationship don't matter; it's the friends (outside the relationship) that are exhibiting intolerance. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Or advising thier friend in her best intrest, all depends on how you look at it...
Well, it depends on how they're acting. If she asks them and they say that it's not a good idea? Fine. I can understand that point of view, and they're just being honest. If they're nagging, though, that's bad. Giving advice is one thing, harrassing is another.
In my exeriance, which is not increadibly far reaching granted, but when a chicks freinds speak out against something, it ussually has to do with sentimate she has expressed to them but doesn't really mean or is to gutless to say herself.
If Bobette* doesn't mean it, then her friends are doing harm. If Bobette is too gutless to say it to Rue, then that's a real problem, right there; however, it's still up to Bobette to get over it. Not being able to discuss matters with your partner is a much bigger problem than different beliefs.
*I'm sick of calling Rue's girlfriend "her". "She" is now...<i>Bobette</i>.
Oh, and I think compassion is a good thing to have in a relationship. It's not a good <i>cause</i> for a relationship, I agree, but being able to make your partner feel better after a crap day of work (for example) is important. Without compassion, you have a very cold relationship.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Nov 1 2004, 03:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Nov 1 2004, 03:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If Bobette* doesn't mean it, then her friends are doing harm. If Bobette is too gutless to say it to Rue, then that's a real problem, right there; however, it's still up to Bobette to get over it. Not being able to discuss matters with your partner is a much bigger problem than different beliefs.
*I'm sick of calling Rue's girlfriend "her". "She" is now...<i>Bobette</i>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I fear for the future of this topic when we refer to Rue's girlfriend as "Bobette"
FYI, I agree with you compleatly, I guess they'd better break up.
You don't just break up because of a mistake, misunderstanding or a problem. You try and work it out, compromise. Bobette doesn't have to lose Christianity or her relationship with Jesus, nor does Rue have to become a pseudo-Christian. They just need to try and find a compromise that results in as little suffering as possible (and it sounds as though they have).
If relationships required both sides to not go through any rocky patches whatsoever, the divorce/break-up rate would be around 99%. --- You're sitting there, praying, and JC comes down in a dazzling array of special effects. He smiles at you, and whips back his long, lustrous hair with a flick of his head. You take a deep breath, gather up your courage, and you say, "We're breaking up. I'm sorry. I just can't stop sinning. I'm always asking for forgiveness. You're perfect; I'm not. This is not an equal relationship. We should just call it quits, because there's no future in it."
Do you think JC would break up with you? Do you think that he wouldn't show tolerence and compassion? Do you think that he'd be willing to take you for who you are? Do you think he didn't <i>know</i> this would be a problem when you started this relationship? Would it be worth throwing all the hard work to date out of the door because of a moment of doubt, one little problem?
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Nov 1 2004, 04:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Nov 1 2004, 04:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You don't just break up because of a mistake, misunderstanding or a problem. You try and work it out, compromise. Bobette doesn't have to lose Christianity or her relationship with Jesus, nor does Rue have to become a pseudo-Christian. They just need to try and find a compromise that results in as little suffering as possible (and it sounds as though they have).
If relationships required both sides to not go through any rocky patches whatsoever, the divorce/break-up rate would be around 99%. --- You're sitting there, praying, and JC comes down in a dazzling array of special effects. He smiles at you, and whips back his long, lustrous hair with a flick of his head. You take a deep breath, gather up your courage, and you say, "We're breaking up. I'm sorry. I just can't stop sinning. I'm always asking for forgiveness. You're perfect; I'm not. This is not an equal relationship. We should just call it quits, because there's no future in it."
Do you think JC would break up with you? Do you think that he wouldn't show tolerence and compassion? Do you think that he'd be willing to take you for who you are? Do you think he didn't <i>know</i> this would be a problem when you started this relationship? Would it be worth throwing all the hard work to date out of the door because of a moment of doubt, one little problem? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, we DO have the same religion <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<offtopic>Ok, I'm gonna come back to this some other time, I'm just not in a serious discussion mood right now</offtopic>
Oh and I'm not claiming to be partners with good old JC, it's much more of a leige vassle relationship, which I really don't think is a good context for a romantic relationship to say the least, but if Rue and Bobette are into the whole fudal arranged marriage kind of thing, I'm okay with that... kindof...
I don't know what a "leige vassle" relationship is. Google doesn't, either. ):
I'll be waiting for your reply. Will JC reject Swiftspear? Can Swiftspear ever be good enough for JC? And what is the Holy Ghost planning? <i>Find out, on the next installment of "The Christian Above Being A Good Person Thread Show".</i> >:D
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Nov 1 2004, 12:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Nov 1 2004, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Recoup+Oct 31 2004, 11:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Recoup @ Oct 31 2004, 11:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As far as I'm concerned, me being a christian doesnt affect my views on people. My views on people are interpreted by how they treat me as a person. I couldnt care if you were athiest, buddist, catholic, or something else. you are still a human being and im going to treat you as such. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's great to be able to say that, but just from the fact that your interpritation of people is achived though the way they treat you, you prove that you inately belive yourself to better than them anyways, I mean if your not better then them why should they treat you so nicely? Not to say there is anything wrong with that, to be an effective human being in our culture is to have a superiority complex, at very least on the sub concious level. The fact is, that the more people agree with you the higher you can look on them as an equal, simply because it doesn't create conflicts with the human superiority belifes. I agree with you that all people should be treated like human beings compleatly, but to be treated like a human being is not nessicarily to be treated like an equal, or at very least definately not like an equal on all levels. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Because I treat them the way they would treat me. Do unto others as they would do unto you. So, everyone gets a clean slate with me, and expect me to show the same level of respect.
Good words, bad spelling <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Liege - A lord or sovereign to whom allegiance and service are due according to feudal law<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A vassal, in European medieval feudalism terminology, is one who through a commendation ceremony (composed of homage and fealty) enters into mutual obligations with a lord, usually military conscription and mutual protection, in exchange for a fief.
A bondman; one who holds land of a superior, and who vows fidelity and homage to him; a feudatory; a feudal tenant. --Burrill.
A subject or servant; one who is dependent upon or enslaved to another. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think Windelkron hit the nail on the head so I'm gonna just stop. Oh and when I said earlier that I don't believe in being rational I was going a bit far. Of course I try to be rational, I just don't like the idea of being 'rational' or 'practical' being used as an excuse to get out of acting in the idealistic/most ideal way.
I don't care how many people drop rubbish, I don't care if me not dropping rubbish won't really make a drop of difference to the planet, I don't do it and if everyone else was the same there would be no rubbish. Simple.
In the same way, I don't care how many relationships might fail due to religious differences, they shouldn't, simple as that and, if they are going to break up anyway then why do the friends need to create unneccessary anguish and more obstacles to what they must think is a doomed relationship.
Huh. I'm always hearing about "personal relationships with God" and such. Well, you can see the kind of point I'm making. In my scenario, JC isn't going to give you the two finger salute and stomp out, then smash your car windows in. Presumably.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh and I'm not claiming to be partners with good old JC, it's much more of a leige vassle relationship, which I really don't think is a good context for a romantic relationship to say the least, but if Rue and Bobette are into the whole fudal arranged marriage kind of thing, I'm okay with that... kindof...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe they "play" Master and Servant.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 31 2004, 10:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 31 2004, 10:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Windelkron+Oct 31 2004, 06:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Windelkron @ Oct 31 2004, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Christianity teaches tolerance and compassion (afaik) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're absolutly correct here. But those concepts aren't concepts that belong in a loving relationship though, expecially compassion. A relationship is between two equals, and if one member needs to be taking compassion on the other member, it isn't good grounds to start the relationship on.
Talking compleatly irrelevenlty of 'the Christian prespective' I just honestly can't see an interreligional relationship working in the long term without one side conceeding to the other, and religion is an area I don't think that people should be conceeding for the purpose of a relationship. Even if Rue were to say, "screw it, its not worth losing the relationship over" and covert, I wouldn't be happy, because I don't think that is a good reason to become a Christian. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Christianity is NOT about tolerance, but rather understanding and trying to better yourself and your fellow man, and as Windelkron says, compassion.
Tolerance is when you think something is wrong and you don't do anything about it. It's even worse to do something wrong to fight that wrong.
The trick is to do something good. Set a good example, open an honest discussion (not preaching), and give until it hurts. When someone fears for their life, or can only live moment to moment, then they don't have the thoughts to spare on their eternal salvation.
You help them help themselves. Judgement is reserved for God.
edit: oh, right, I wanted to say that you're quite right about that being poor grounds for either a relationship or a religion.
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It's great to be able to say that, but just from the fact that your interpritation of people is achived though the way they treat you, you prove that you inately belive yourself to better than them anyways, I mean if your not better then them why should they treat you so nicely? Not to say there is anything wrong with that, to be an effective human being in our culture is to have a superiority complex, at very least on the sub concious level. The fact is, that the more people agree with you the higher you can look on them as an equal, simply because it doesn't create conflicts with the human superiority belifes. I agree with you that all people should be treated like human beings compleatly, but to be treated like a human being is not nessicarily to be treated like an equal, or at very least definately not like an equal on all levels.
You're absolutly correct here. But those concepts aren't concepts that belong in a loving relationship though, expecially compassion. A relationship is between two equals, and if one member needs to be taking compassion on the other member, it isn't good grounds to start the relationship on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Note that both parties in the relationship don't matter; it's the friends (outside the relationship) that are exhibiting intolerance.
You're absolutly correct here. But those concepts aren't concepts that belong in a loving relationship though, expecially compassion. A relationship is between two equals, and if one member needs to be taking compassion on the other member, it isn't good grounds to start the relationship on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Note that both parties in the relationship don't matter; it's the friends (outside the relationship) that are exhibiting intolerance. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or advising thier friend in her best intrest, all depends on how you look at it...
*I'm sick of calling Rue's girlfriend "her". "She" is now...<i>Bobette</i>.
Oh, and I think compassion is a good thing to have in a relationship. It's not a good <i>cause</i> for a relationship, I agree, but being able to make your partner feel better after a crap day of work (for example) is important. Without compassion, you have a very cold relationship.
*I'm sick of calling Rue's girlfriend "her". "She" is now...<i>Bobette</i>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I fear for the future of this topic when we refer to Rue's girlfriend as "Bobette"
FYI, I agree with you compleatly, I guess they'd better break up.
If relationships required both sides to not go through any rocky patches whatsoever, the divorce/break-up rate would be around 99%.
---
You're sitting there, praying, and JC comes down in a dazzling array of special effects. He smiles at you, and whips back his long, lustrous hair with a flick of his head. You take a deep breath, gather up your courage, and you say, "We're breaking up. I'm sorry. I just can't stop sinning. I'm always asking for forgiveness. You're perfect; I'm not. This is not an equal relationship. We should just call it quits, because there's no future in it."
Do you think JC would break up with you? Do you think that he wouldn't show tolerence and compassion? Do you think that he'd be willing to take you for who you are? Do you think he didn't <i>know</i> this would be a problem when you started this relationship? Would it be worth throwing all the hard work to date out of the door because of a moment of doubt, one little problem?
If relationships required both sides to not go through any rocky patches whatsoever, the divorce/break-up rate would be around 99%.
---
You're sitting there, praying, and JC comes down in a dazzling array of special effects. He smiles at you, and whips back his long, lustrous hair with a flick of his head. You take a deep breath, gather up your courage, and you say, "We're breaking up. I'm sorry. I just can't stop sinning. I'm always asking for forgiveness. You're perfect; I'm not. This is not an equal relationship. We should just call it quits, because there's no future in it."
Do you think JC would break up with you? Do you think that he wouldn't show tolerence and compassion? Do you think that he'd be willing to take you for who you are? Do you think he didn't <i>know</i> this would be a problem when you started this relationship? Would it be worth throwing all the hard work to date out of the door because of a moment of doubt, one little problem? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, we DO have the same religion <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<offtopic>Ok, I'm gonna come back to this some other time, I'm just not in a serious discussion mood right now</offtopic>
Oh and I'm not claiming to be partners with good old JC, it's much more of a leige vassle relationship, which I really don't think is a good context for a romantic relationship to say the least, but if Rue and Bobette are into the whole fudal arranged marriage kind of thing, I'm okay with that... kindof...
I'll be waiting for your reply. Will JC reject Swiftspear? Can Swiftspear ever be good enough for JC? And what is the Holy Ghost planning? <i>Find out, on the next installment of "The Christian Above Being A Good Person Thread Show".</i> >:D
EDIT: And wasn't JC a jew?
It's great to be able to say that, but just from the fact that your interpritation of people is achived though the way they treat you, you prove that you inately belive yourself to better than them anyways, I mean if your not better then them why should they treat you so nicely? Not to say there is anything wrong with that, to be an effective human being in our culture is to have a superiority complex, at very least on the sub concious level. The fact is, that the more people agree with you the higher you can look on them as an equal, simply because it doesn't create conflicts with the human superiority belifes. I agree with you that all people should be treated like human beings compleatly, but to be treated like a human being is not nessicarily to be treated like an equal, or at very least definately not like an equal on all levels. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because I treat them the way they would treat me. Do unto others as they would do unto you. So, everyone gets a clean slate with me, and expect me to show the same level of respect.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Liege - A lord or sovereign to whom allegiance and service are due according to feudal law<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A vassal, in European medieval feudalism terminology, is one who through a commendation ceremony (composed of homage and fealty) enters into mutual obligations with a lord, usually military conscription and mutual protection, in exchange for a fief.
A bondman; one who holds land of a superior, and who vows fidelity and homage to him; a feudatory; a feudal tenant. --Burrill.
A subject or servant; one who is dependent upon or enslaved to another. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think Windelkron hit the nail on the head so I'm gonna just stop. Oh and when I said earlier that I don't believe in being rational I was going a bit far. Of course I try to be rational, I just don't like the idea of being 'rational' or 'practical' being used as an excuse to get out of acting in the idealistic/most ideal way.
I don't care how many people drop rubbish, I don't care if me not dropping rubbish won't really make a drop of difference to the planet, I don't do it and if everyone else was the same there would be no rubbish. Simple.
In the same way, I don't care how many relationships might fail due to religious differences, they shouldn't, simple as that and, if they are going to break up anyway then why do the friends need to create unneccessary anguish and more obstacles to what they must think is a doomed relationship.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh and I'm not claiming to be partners with good old JC, it's much more of a leige vassle relationship, which I really don't think is a good context for a romantic relationship to say the least, but if Rue and Bobette are into the whole fudal arranged marriage kind of thing, I'm okay with that... kindof...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe they "play" Master and Servant.
You're absolutly correct here. But those concepts aren't concepts that belong in a loving relationship though, expecially compassion. A relationship is between two equals, and if one member needs to be taking compassion on the other member, it isn't good grounds to start the relationship on.
Talking compleatly irrelevenlty of 'the Christian prespective' I just honestly can't see an interreligional relationship working in the long term without one side conceeding to the other, and religion is an area I don't think that people should be conceeding for the purpose of a relationship. Even if Rue were to say, "screw it, its not worth losing the relationship over" and covert, I wouldn't be happy, because I don't think that is a good reason to become a Christian. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Christianity is NOT about tolerance, but rather understanding and trying to better yourself and your fellow man, and as Windelkron says, compassion.
Tolerance is when you think something is wrong and you don't do anything about it. It's even worse to do something wrong to fight that wrong.
The trick is to do something good. Set a good example, open an honest discussion (not preaching), and give until it hurts. When someone fears for their life, or can only live moment to moment, then they don't have the thoughts to spare on their eternal salvation.
You help them help themselves. Judgement is reserved for God.
edit: oh, right, I wanted to say that you're quite right about that being poor grounds for either a relationship or a religion.