Technological Progress Slowing Down?

DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
<div class="IPBDescription">PC upgrades</div> I haven't researched this at all but I feel like PC power used to double about every two years, and now it's kinda stagnating... ~3ghz cpus with 1 gig ram have been the high-end standard for a couple years now, haven't they? video cards have been improving at the normal rate though, it seems. and storage capacity seems to be improving steadily too, but who needs more HD space? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

anyway, is this just my perception because I'm getting older and don't pay as much attention anymore, or is it the truth?

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  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I think CPU manufactures have been improving the power per Hz and making them more efficient recently, but PXI express might make things look a little faster.
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    Yeah, it's definately at a stage right now where it's refining what's already here. The numbers may not be going up, but the performance is. It's not all about numbers. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    EDIT: If numbers do matter, go searching for overclocking. The 6GHz barrier was broken. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    yeah, I guess that's where things are going... but then, why aren't there 3ghz pentium 5's or something yet?

    anyway, I don't want to derail my own topic but how long before these 64 bit processors become useful?
  • venomusvenomus Join Date: 2002-11-16 Member: 8951Members
    <a href='http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1682526,00.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1682526,00.asp</a>

    Seems we are reaching some kind of limit with the clock frequencies of current chip design (mostly due to power and cooling requirements). But the industry will find new ways of improving the 'speed' of computers, such as multiple cores, larger memory caches etc. So don't worry, you'll still have to shell out £££ for new hardware every few years <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
  • RuByRuBy Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10732Members
    edited November 2004
    <a href='http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118424,00.asp' target='_blank'>Explanation</a>. Sorta.

    Edit: Crap, I was beated!
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    Youre completely forgetting about the fact that we now have 64 bit architecture. Optimizing architecture is a lot more important than raw power tbhirlogmftwbbq
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    If you need more evidence, look at Pentiums naming speed. They no longer name chips by their clock speed, since they have acknowledged that much more than that goes in to making a fast processor.
  • TheDestroyerTheDestroyer Tooobah Join Date: 2003-07-12 Member: 18123Members, Constellation
    Duh...its because we have advanced to the technology that was used in the Roswell alien ship. Now we have to sit and wait until another ship crash so we can salvage and steal technology from it.

    ...sorry...just had to be said.
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TheDestroyer+Nov 2 2004, 10:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheDestroyer @ Nov 2 2004, 10:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Duh...its because we have advanced to the technology that was used in the Roswell alien ship. Now we have to sit and wait until another ship crash so we can salvage and steal technology from it.

    ...sorry...just had to be said. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Nanites.....
  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think CPU manufactures have been improving the power per Hz and making them more efficient recently, but PXI express might make things look a little faster.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Not at all, only AMD has been doing this(on die memory controller is a huge performance inprovement), pentium 3's had much better IPC(Instructions Per Clock) than p4's. Intel is at a situation where they are going to silently retire the p4 architecture(it's going to be here for a while, they're going to make a dual core version but Tejas has been scrapped(the new architecture based on p4's netburst)). The pentium m is a tweaked successor to the p3 which tries to get the highest performance out of the lowest power usage(it's a mobile processor), it's looking very well and this processor _might_ be used as a basis for a desktop processor from intel in the future.

    Intel and AMD are now both looking towards dual core on the desktop.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    We had 3 Ghz processors for a couple of years? Where have I been? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    And we're at +3.6 Ghz currently, on Intel's side <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    I demand an article on 6ghz being broken!
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    electricity travels in copper at 80% the speed of light. that means it can traverse a 1cm cpu from one corner to the opposite corner and back at only 9.5 gigahertz (a gigahertz is literally 'billion times per second')

    thats just to go in a straight line, not making any complicated transistor gates at all...

    math=
    299,792,458(m/s) * 100cm/m / 1,000,000,000(hz/ghz) * 0.80(80 percent of) / 2^1/2(distance corner to corner) / 2(both ways)
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    Someone needs to invent photoelectric hard drives/ram/cpu's.
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mullet+Nov 15 2004, 06:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Nov 15 2004, 06:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I demand an article on 6ghz being broken! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    closest you're gonna get:

    <a href='http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42655&page=1&pp=25' target='_blank'>http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showth...55&page=1&pp=25</a>
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TheDestroyer+Nov 2 2004, 10:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheDestroyer @ Nov 2 2004, 10:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Duh...its because we have advanced to the technology that was used in the Roswell alien ship. Now we have to sit and wait until another ship crash so we can salvage and steal technology from it.

    ...sorry...just had to be said. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No... No it really didn't.

    It's a good thing, it gives video cards a chance to catch up. A few PCIe cards down the line and we will be CPU bottlenecked again and no longer vidcard bottlenecked.

    64 bit architexture isn't as revolutionary as one might think, but it is extreamly useful for many things, and will be able to make some cool things happen on the game front. Expecially with phyiscs and model advancements.
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